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Would it be a justified killing of a human? It's not murder after all, so it's justified?
What makes something good or evil, inherently? Is anything good or evil inherently?
There is an order all things participate in by their very nature, this is their form. For example the form of a pencil is to write, the form of a lion is that it's a large cat that is carnivorous etc.
The form of things defines what is good and not good, or evil, for it. In that all things have a form, which determines what is good for it, there is a universal "law"
What makes something good or evil, inherently? Is anything good or evil inherently?
There is an order all things participate in by their very nature, this is their form. For example the form of a pencil is to write, the form of a lion is that it's a large cat that is carnivorous etc.
The form of things defines what is good and not good, or evil, for it. In that all things have a form, which determines what is good for it, there is a universal "law"
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How China infiltrates Taiwan and the rest of the world
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c878evdp758o
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3dx1yzzerlo
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c86w2evj05do
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c86w2evj05do
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Not really Christian, she seems to have been an anarcho-psycho cunt or something, also another Christian school had a shooting last year.
Oh by the way guess what: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/feb/20/attacks-on-us-churches-more-than-doubled-in-2023-f/
Oh by the way guess what: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/feb/20/attacks-on-us-churches-more-than-doubled-in-2023-f/
still school shootings happen across America. Not necessarily anti-Christian.
As for that link, I do wonder what the motivation behind much of those attacks actually were. One example it mentions, an attack on a black church, is much more likely a racist attack than anti-Christian.
In any case I am very skeptical about that research institute. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Research_Council
America is ultimately a Christian majority country and Christian influenced laws have been implemented throughout the nation.
bans on abortion
School choice
Even laws requiring the 10 commandments being shown in classrooms
Christians are not persecuted in America
As for that link, I do wonder what the motivation behind much of those attacks actually were. One example it mentions, an attack on a black church, is much more likely a racist attack than anti-Christian.
In any case I am very skeptical about that research institute. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Research_Council
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America is ultimately a Christian majority country and Christian influenced laws have been implemented throughout the nation.
bans on abortion
School choice
Even laws requiring the 10 commandments being shown in classrooms
Christians are not persecuted in America
Christian hate in America is marginal
https://www.justice.gov/crs/highlights/2022-hate-crime-statistics
Most religious hate crimes are against Jews, followed by Muslims and Sikhs.
I do believe that trans person was again, a former student. Maybe it was anti Christian, or maybe they just hated their school like the countless other school shooters.
https://www.justice.gov/crs/highlights/2022-hate-crime-statistics
Most religious hate crimes are against Jews, followed by Muslims and Sikhs.
I do believe that trans person was again, a former student. Maybe it was anti Christian, or maybe they just hated their school like the countless other school shooters.
If we could conclusively say abortion is the end of a human life, then all arguments for abortion ought be juxtaposed with that fact. Ultimately you will find it is always a killing of convenience, a murder
Calling it a "universal law", is really just a fancy, perhaps misleading given what people think of when they hear "law", way of describing this fact:
All things that exist, have a form, which determines what is the final end for said thing, and this "end" determines what is good/bad for it.
For example, the form of a lion is to be carnivorous, a final end which is realized perfectly whenever lions eat meat; the form of a dog is to have 4 legs, so a dog with 3 legs necessarily "fails" in this respect so it is a "less perfect" dog
Everything that exists has a form, and so within every thing that exists there is a "perfect" degree of it's aspects.
As rational creatures, humans have a final end to always choose what is rational. This is what is meant by "universal" law, this principle which humans have as an end of their nature to always do what is good
This universal obligation humans have to perform good actions, is a truth related to the form or essence of the thing (humans), just as 2+2=4 is a necessary truth related to the very form of 2 + 2 equaling 4
And so it is a conceptual truth we can know by reason alone, it cannot be proved by observation of cultures or any data. It is a fact based on the form of the thing, like 2 + 2 = 4
Calling it a "universal law", is really just a fancy, perhaps misleading given what people think of when they hear "law", way of describing this fact:
All things that exist, have a form, which determines what is the final end for said thing, and this "end" determines what is good/bad for it.
For example, the form of a lion is to be carnivorous, a final end which is realized perfectly whenever lions eat meat; the form of a dog is to have 4 legs, so a dog with 3 legs necessarily "fails" in this respect so it is a "less perfect" dog
Everything that exists has a form, and so within every thing that exists there is a "perfect" degree of it's aspects.
As rational creatures, humans have a final end to always choose what is rational. This is what is meant by "universal" law, this principle which humans have as an end of their nature to always do what is good
This universal obligation humans have to perform good actions, is a truth related to the form or essence of the thing (humans), just as 2+2=4 is a necessary truth related to the very form of 2 + 2 equaling 4
And so it is a conceptual truth we can know by reason alone, it cannot be proved by observation of cultures or any data. It is a fact based on the form of the thing, like 2 + 2 = 4
Precarity is not inconvenience.
It's life threatenning.
You do not understand what being in precarity means for the mental and physical health or even simply being casted away from your social group because of a pregnency.
It's completely about that. But in your case it's lack of acceptation + fallacious reasonning + Missunderstanding.
You think you are rationnal but you are only taking reality under a moral lens and do not understand sociology or the material reality of the world.
For example here, you take a study (that you understand not correctly because you don't read it) and you do not place said study into context thus missing the entire point and reason why those reason (while appearing not justifiable for you) are actually very important and life threatenning for those women.
And I'm done explaining that with you too. Have fun with your ignorance. I'll not reply to you on this subject more that that either.
Have fun under fascism.
No. I choose to step away from people who are not equiped to understand a discussion.
This is your case.
Yes it does.
That's how will works.
Prove me that you wouldn't push the button. Give me a reason why you would not push it and I will continue to discuss. Until then, we are moving in circle. And you are not understanding the point. Which is normalsince you are in denial and that's k.
Either you understand the experience or you do not. I will- once again - not try to explain a concept 5 times.
Here is the only thing that you need to know:
The electrical signals inside your brain preceed your choices and your consciousness of said choice. The choice you will make is the logical result of millions of parameters that will create an electrical and chemical path into your brain for your body to act. You consciousness be be an aftermath projection of this process.
This experiment is caricature of all the reason that will push you to act, something that we can sum up with just "love". This love will create a path in your brain that will not be able to create a different result than pushing your body to push the button. Thus saving the person.
There is no counter reason, those are the parameters behind the electrical and chemical path of descision making. Our descision making are therefore CONSEQUENCES and not CAUSATIONS.
If there was other parameters inside the experiment, let's say like "if you don't push the button, you will potentially save humanity", the choice wouldn't be so clear but it would still be determined by the material condition of your existence and be out of control.
Or is this more "cockroach are much more valuable that we think".
We are all living being, there is no innate value in one life more than another. We only choose that it is less ethical to ignore ones and priviledge others.
Don't worry, it's not germinator. It's people outside of this community and my own reflextion on the way I should proceed agains the ideologies I'm fighting.
No. I was transformed actually into a much more radical and coherent leftist.
And with that, you can create eugenism.
Nah he does not. He is using moral as a way to argue and I'm not trying to fight those type of argumentations.
The reason why I'm quiting is because - for once - I actually though I had a genuine person who wanted to have a genuine discussion in front of me.
This is not the case. I was talking to someone who does not WANT to understand the difference between ethic and moral.
It's life threatenning.
You do not understand what being in precarity means for the mental and physical health or even simply being casted away from your social group because of a pregnency.
It's completely about that. But in your case it's lack of acceptation + fallacious reasonning + Missunderstanding.
You think you are rationnal but you are only taking reality under a moral lens and do not understand sociology or the material reality of the world.
For example here, you take a study (that you understand not correctly because you don't read it) and you do not place said study into context thus missing the entire point and reason why those reason (while appearing not justifiable for you) are actually very important and life threatenning for those women.
And I'm done explaining that with you too. Have fun with your ignorance. I'll not reply to you on this subject more that that either.
Have fun under fascism.
No. I choose to step away from people who are not equiped to understand a discussion.
This is your case.
Yes it does.
That's how will works.
Prove me that you wouldn't push the button. Give me a reason why you would not push it and I will continue to discuss. Until then, we are moving in circle. And you are not understanding the point. Which is normalsince you are in denial and that's k.
Either you understand the experience or you do not. I will- once again - not try to explain a concept 5 times.
Here is the only thing that you need to know:
The electrical signals inside your brain preceed your choices and your consciousness of said choice. The choice you will make is the logical result of millions of parameters that will create an electrical and chemical path into your brain for your body to act. You consciousness be be an aftermath projection of this process.
This experiment is caricature of all the reason that will push you to act, something that we can sum up with just "love". This love will create a path in your brain that will not be able to create a different result than pushing your body to push the button. Thus saving the person.
There is no counter reason, those are the parameters behind the electrical and chemical path of descision making. Our descision making are therefore CONSEQUENCES and not CAUSATIONS.
If there was other parameters inside the experiment, let's say like "if you don't push the button, you will potentially save humanity", the choice wouldn't be so clear but it would still be determined by the material condition of your existence and be out of control.
Or is this more "cockroach are much more valuable that we think".
We are all living being, there is no innate value in one life more than another. We only choose that it is less ethical to ignore ones and priviledge others.
Damn...someone made Logiko quit a debate
The New Year barely started and we already got crazy feats.
The New Year barely started and we already got crazy feats.
Wait, were you transforming into a conservative?
No. I was transformed actually into a much more radical and coherent leftist.
And with that, you can create eugenism.
Nah he does not. He is using moral as a way to argue and I'm not trying to fight those type of argumentations.
The reason why I'm quiting is because - for once - I actually though I had a genuine person who wanted to have a genuine discussion in front of me.
This is not the case. I was talking to someone who does not WANT to understand the difference between ethic and moral.