Controversial General Political Discussion

[Germinator]

lmao logiko really made germinator look like socrates

It is literal Google definition that ethics observe morality, so a moral argument like mine is an ethical one. If a hamburger is ethics, the patty is morals. Logiko is crying that I'm eating a beef patty when I should be eating a hamburger 😂

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Have fun under fascism

And the leftist NPC cries bigotry and nazi, leaving the argument cold in the rain

there is no innate value in one life more than another

Animal lives contain life, human lives contain life + a will & intellect.

The ascendancy that humans have over creatures without an intellect or will is a difference of substance, not degree, and so there is no degree to which humans are superior to animals, humans are worth infinitely more

And with that, you can create eugenism

Humans are all substantially equal in dignity, so no, it wouldn't lead to eugenics. Maybe on animals lol

The reason why I'm quiting is because - for once - I actually though I had a genuine person who wanted to have a genuine discussion in front of me

All moral arguments are ethical ones, you have no arguments left so you cry that I am being unfair

 

[Logiko]

It is literal Google definition that ethics observe morality, so a moral argument like mine is an ethical one. If a hamburger is ethics, the patty is morals. Logiko is crying that I'm eating a beef patty when I should be eating a hamburger 😂

Nah mate. But you won't get, let's move on.

And the leftist NPC cries bigotry and nazi, leaving the argument cold in the rain

As expected.. I was right to end the discussion here

Animal lives contain life, human lives contain life + a will & intellect.

The ascendancy that humans have over creatures without an intellect or will is a difference of substance, not degree, and so there is no degree to which humans are superior to animals, humans are worth infinitely more

Actually animal lives also contain life and intellect. But not even us have will.

Your vision of human is moral. It's not based on anything but a moral argument and a moral social construct. Once you start to hierarchize lives based on intelect, you open the door to eugenism.

Humans are all substantially equal in dignity, so no, it wouldn't lead to eugenics. Maybe on animals lol

We are not. We are diverse just like the rest of the animal reign.

All moral arguments are ethical ones, you have no arguments left so you cry that I am being unfair

No they are not

And no. I'm just disspointed in your lack of reasonning.

 

[Germinator]

Nah mate. But you won't get, let's move on.

I'd post the google definition of "ethics" but you deny the dictionary. Whatever language it is that you speak, I don't speak it!

As expected.. I was right to end the discussion here

Lmao you literally ignored my point and didn't even bother to address it, you just said "FASCISM!!!!". You are getting destroyed here and I am going to reply to your comment about free will when I get off work so get ready

Actually animal lives also contain life and intellect

They contain life, but not intellect, and thus no will

You probably have not studied enough to properly define what an intellect or even "thinking" is. It is not something animals have

Your vision of human is moral. It's not based on anything but a moral argument

Ethics observe morals. That is the definition of ethics, the "ethical" thing to do is also the "moral" thing to do, you incoherent, spattering brainlet

We are not. We are diverse just like the rest of the animal reign.

True, we're diverse. Like Paris

No they are not

Alright, you asked for it

eth·ics
/ˈeTHiks/
noun

1. 1.
   moral principles that govern a person's behavior or the conducting of an activity.
   "medical ethics also enter into the question"

 

[Toby D. Dog]

This thread is ruined.

 

[Logiko]

I'd post the google definition of "ethics" but you deny the dictionary. Whatever language it is that you speak, I don't speak it!

Ethic is a reflexion ON moral, so of course we talk about moral in ethic, but it's not moral.

And to understand why, you need to take a step back on moral rethorics.

Lmao you literally ignored my point and didn't even bother to address it, you just said "FASCISM!!!!". You are getting destroyed here and I am going to reply to your comment about free will when I get off work so get ready

Nah, actually you are the one being ridiculed, but you do not see it since most people here have mostly the same world vision as yours.. I told you, I'm ending the discussion here. You do not want to listen and even less want to expand your mindset, I'm the only one who accepted to make efforts in that discussion, so it's useless.

Have fun under fascism. Let's see how the argument "you shall not kill" ends up under such a system.

They contain life, but not intellect, and thus no will

You probably have not studied enough to properly define what an intellect or even "thinking" is. It is not something animals have

Ironic looking at your argumentation.

Learn about the animals reign. You need it.

Ethics observe morals. That is the definition of ethics, the "ethical" thing to do is also the "moral" thing to do, you incoherent, spattering brainlet

Indeed. Ethic observes moral and is CRITICAL of moral. That's the point of saying that ethic different from moral and that you are doing moral argument without taking ethic into questions.

I'm done replying to you on this subject. Learn or I will ignore you.

 

[Germinator]

Ethic is a reflexion of moral, so of course we talk about moral in ethic, but it's not moral.

"we talk about moral in ethic"
Yeah so moral arguments are ethical at the same time

The only difference is about which is contained within

Have fun under fascism. Let's see how the argument "you shall not kill" ends up under such a system.

Let me ask you: is saying some things are inherently evil, a "system", or is it true? Is things like rape, genocide inherently evil? Consider the ramifications of saying no to this

Learn about the animals reign. You need it.

You think human lives aren't worth anymore than a cockroach or ant. I think you need a straight jacket

Ethic observes moral and is CRITICAL of moral

Ethics judge what is moral in a given context. You cannot be "critical" of something moral, because moral is synonymous with good, to be critical of something is to demonstrate it's being evil in some regard

 

[Logiko]

From now on. If I need to reformulate more than two times a basic explanation based on factual arguments.

I will end the discussion.

Yeah so moral arguments are ethical at the same time

Ethic is a reflexion "ON moral" and not "OF moral", i made a mistake*

No. They are opposites. For all the reasons I explained before.

Is saying some things are inherently evil, a "system", or is it true? Is things like rape, genocide inherently evil? Consider the ramifications of saying no to this

We are not talking about rape or genocide, but the act of killing someone.

You think human lives aren't worth anymore than a cockroach or ant. I think you need a straight jacket

No. I think the lives of every species are worth the same as humans.

You are pushing humanity toward less value. I'm doing the opposite with every other species.

Ethics judge what is moral in a given context.

No. Ethic judges what is ethical under a certain given context not what is moral.

You cannot be "critical" of something moral, because moral is synonymous with good, to be critical of something is to demonstrate it's being evil in some regard

Sigh

 

[Blax Blah]

Yeah by a girl who went to that school

Anti-Christian discrimination doesn’t exist in the west

I’m not “playing the victim” by pointing out that there seem to be a considerable amount of white supremacists in America who seem to want to kill Indians.

Not really Christian, she seems to have been an anarcho-psycho cunt or something, also another Christian school had a shooting last year.
Oh by the way guess what: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/feb/20/attacks-on-us-churches-more-than-doubled-in-2023-f/

An anarchist youtube channel I watch Anark, is part of an organisation called cooperstion Tusla, which works with a black church to make free food to give away, that they get from the voluntary work they put in a land that was, from what I remember, but I may be incorrect about it, partly bought by them, and two thirds of it donated by someone else to them

 

[Germinator]

Ethic is a reflexion "ON moral" and not "OF moral", i made a mistake*

Why do ethics reflect on morals?

To arrive at an answer of what to do. Thus ethics reflect on morals in a way that uses morals to arrive at the right thing to do

Example: I'm in my car, some people are crossing the street but I need to go as well. Ethics would look at the immorality of hitting them with my car, and arrive at the answer which is to wait for them to pass

We are not talking about rape or genocide, but the act of killing someone.

Well, but your "fascism" argument was in response to my assertion that some actions are intrinsically evil, like rape or genocide

I agree killing someone isn't inherently evil, there can be justified reasons for it, but unjustified killing (murder) is intrinsically evil

Abortion is always unjustified because ethics always observes the morality of killing, and sees that a fetus is always innocent and should never be killed

No. I think the lives of every species are worth the same as humans.

Oh so again, no contradiction here, you do not value humans any higher than a cockroach or ant, all species are worth the same to you

Thank you for basically saying "yes" to what I said but typing a "No." in front of it

No. Ethic judges what is ethical under a certain given context not what is moral.

Definition of ethical
eth·i·cal
/ˈeTHəkəl/
https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=49a45f0a2da0fb9f&sxsrf=ADLYWIIuwTsqv4hfbB9groqyjhVWfvAHfg:1735768750917&q=how+to+pronounce+ethical&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOMIfcRoyS3w8sc9YSmDSWtOXmPU4uINKMrPK81LzkwsyczPExLmYglJLcoV4pbi5GJPLcnITE7MsWJRYkrN41nEKpGRX65Qkq9QANSSD9STqgBVAQBiJXDcWQAAAA&pron_lang=en&pron_country=us&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi77L2-wtWKAxVtC3kGHUhDNCIQ3eEDegQILxAM
adjective

1. 1.
   relating to moral principles

Lmao so morals by definition are always contained within ethics, ethics "uses" morals to find an ethical answer. "Ethical" is just shorthand for "moral decision"

Sigh

Give up

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

An anarchist youtube channel I watch Anark, is part of an organisation called cooperstion Tusla, which works with a black church to make free food to give away, that they get from the voluntary work they put in a land that was, from what I remember, but I may be incorrect about it, partly bought by them, and two thirds of it donated by someone else to them

Anarchism is, by its nature, not homogeneous in its beliefs. But idk if she was an anarchist.

 

[Germinator]

Yes it does.

That's how will works.

This is an unproven premise. i don't accept it

In your hypothetical, the burden of proof is on you to determine why the will must have an internal reason to choose between 2 things

The will choosing without a reason doesn't entail a logical, or metaphysical contradiction. Logical or metaphysical contradictions restrict what is possible.

Because the will could possibly choose without a reason, ur argument fails

 

[Blax Blah]

Anarchism is, by its nature, not homogeneous in its beliefs. But idk if she was an anarchist.

May I ask, how so?

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Goodnighty I love you all 💙 may 2025 be the best year yet and may we all massively and easily overcome

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

May I ask, how so?

Because of its definition.

 

[AL sama]

 

[Germinator]

Me fr

 

[Blax Blah]

Because of its definition.

Yeah, but, the political definition of anaechism is stateless socialism, where people directly have democratic control of the workplace, instead of state bureaucrats having control of the workplace like in the USSR, and it has hierarchical power structures where the people involved have equal decision making power on that thing

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Like an anarchist workplace is like a workers cooperative except its aim is not to make monetary profits but to produce what others around deem is valueable and distribute it based on need and desire

 

[Germinator]

Damn...someone made Logiko quit a debate The New Year barely started and we already got crazy feats.

Low diff

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

This thread is ruined.

It was never good

 

[Toby D. Dog]

It was never good

True, but now we got 2 Logikos vying for control of this thread.

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

So a Cybertruck filled with fireworks blew up outside Trump's hotel in Vegas. 2025 is already committed to being crazy, got it.