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...And by that you mean that you became more hateful of conservatives, right? Dude, you convinced a total of 0 users in these past few years here. How do you feel after investing so much time in something that was fruitless?
And it's also the most hated, mocked, persecuted and discriminated. Don't pull a C4N on me.
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And it's also the most hated, mocked, persecuted and discriminated. Don't pull a C4N on me.
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Not exactly, ethics uses moral as a base, but uses context as a critical tool of said moral to ARRIVE to a ethical statement
For example:
Moral statement: It's good to have an open mind
Ethical critic of said statement based on context: In reality, it is sometimes hurtfull to have an openmind, especially with toxic ideologies as they can bring you toward hurtfull behaviors.
Ethical statement: Having an open mind is a necessity to engage in diverse ideas and perspective, but you need to stay careful and have critical thinking in order to protect yourself from hurtfull beliefs.
> Contextualization of the good brought by the open mind mindset.
> Contextualization of the danger of having too much of an open mind.
"Justified action" is a social construct.
What is justified in one specific society could be forbidden in the rest. In the context of armed resistance against a fascist or dictatorial regime, the legitimate action of killing (because of the conflict) would be seen as justified from the side of the oppressed (killing) and as non justified as the side of the oppressor (murder).
This is why the action of Luigi against a CEO was framed as a murder (but even worst, as a terrorist action) by the oppressors (the states) and as a justified kill by the oppressed (the working class under the threats of Billionnaires and the bad health care system).
To look correctly at this situation, we need to stop using moral and use ethic as only ethic will use context to understand the legitimacy of an action.
I value cockroach as similar in inherent value to humans. Nuance* - I choose to raise that value when you choose to diminish it.
Now, it doesn't mean that I will act the same way with a coackroach or with a human. As my education and my situation are preventing me from being really coherent with this belief. But inherently, I'm forced to aknowledge the fact that the superior inherent value we put on humans is a social construct.
Don't worry, if you still don't understand the next time the basic things I just explained, I will give up this discussion.
No.
Science shows that our choices are the results of electrical and chemical phenomenon inside our brain.
You have the burden of proofof showing why, even when the material condition are directing your electrical and chemical signal to one specific path, you can somehow just ignore that and bring your body to act in a different way.
In other words, you have the burden of proof of proving me that you have the power of god.
The reason for abortion are multi factorials. I'm not concentrating to one single argument. You only do and I did not follow that.
It comes from someone who suffer because of precarity. So...
Indeed I convinced no one. That's one of the reasons why I'm giving up. Because it's not possible. At least not with the current method.
The reason why I'm giving up is actually because I've become more respectfull. This forum is not the only instance where I have been fighting consevatives. I've done that on many plateforms for a decade.
But.. it's over now.
I see that fighting with people like you made me use your weapons instead of actually finding mine and... well... I don't want to become you. So I stepping down.
Change will only be possible through structural and system solutions, not through the convincing of individual behaviors. This forum refuses to change structurally so there is nothing more that can be done. I will concentrate on helping those who can be convinced instead of trying to help those who refuse to be convinced. And I will find places in the fanbase that do not welcome oppressor's enablers.
In other words, I'm done arguing with people like you. I will be slowly moving on.
Good actually, because this helped me do a lot of research. But this is not necessary anymore.
It's not a good idea to live among people who justify oppressions.
For example:
Moral statement: It's good to have an open mind
Ethical critic of said statement based on context: In reality, it is sometimes hurtfull to have an openmind, especially with toxic ideologies as they can bring you toward hurtfull behaviors.
Ethical statement: Having an open mind is a necessity to engage in diverse ideas and perspective, but you need to stay careful and have critical thinking in order to protect yourself from hurtfull beliefs.
> Contextualization of the good brought by the open mind mindset.
> Contextualization of the danger of having too much of an open mind.
"Justified action" is a social construct.
What is justified in one specific society could be forbidden in the rest. In the context of armed resistance against a fascist or dictatorial regime, the legitimate action of killing (because of the conflict) would be seen as justified from the side of the oppressed (killing) and as non justified as the side of the oppressor (murder).
This is why the action of Luigi against a CEO was framed as a murder (but even worst, as a terrorist action) by the oppressors (the states) and as a justified kill by the oppressed (the working class under the threats of Billionnaires and the bad health care system).
To look correctly at this situation, we need to stop using moral and use ethic as only ethic will use context to understand the legitimacy of an action.
Oh so again, no contradiction here, you do not value humans any higher than a cockroach or ant, all species are worth the same to you
Thank you for basically saying "yes" to what I said but typing a "No." in front of it
Thank you for basically saying "yes" to what I said but typing a "No." in front of it
Now, it doesn't mean that I will act the same way with a coackroach or with a human. As my education and my situation are preventing me from being really coherent with this belief. But inherently, I'm forced to aknowledge the fact that the superior inherent value we put on humans is a social construct.
Don't worry, if you still don't understand the next time the basic things I just explained, I will give up this discussion.
No.
Science shows that our choices are the results of electrical and chemical phenomenon inside our brain.
You have the burden of proofof showing why, even when the material condition are directing your electrical and chemical signal to one specific path, you can somehow just ignore that and bring your body to act in a different way.
In other words, you have the burden of proof of proving me that you have the power of god.
The reason for abortion are multi factorials. I'm not concentrating to one single argument. You only do and I did not follow that.
It comes from someone who suffer because of precarity. So...
Indeed I convinced no one. That's one of the reasons why I'm giving up. Because it's not possible. At least not with the current method.
The reason why I'm giving up is actually because I've become more respectfull. This forum is not the only instance where I have been fighting consevatives. I've done that on many plateforms for a decade.
But.. it's over now.
I see that fighting with people like you made me use your weapons instead of actually finding mine and... well... I don't want to become you. So I stepping down.
Change will only be possible through structural and system solutions, not through the convincing of individual behaviors. This forum refuses to change structurally so there is nothing more that can be done. I will concentrate on helping those who can be convinced instead of trying to help those who refuse to be convinced. And I will find places in the fanbase that do not welcome oppressor's enablers.
In other words, I'm done arguing with people like you. I will be slowly moving on.
Good actually, because this helped me do a lot of research. But this is not necessary anymore.
It's not a good idea to live among people who justify oppressions.
For something to be "sometimes hurtful" implies something can or cannot be hurtful, a moral judgement
Thanks for proving morals are contained within ethics
Yes Illogiko, some societies say murder is cool, some say it's bad
What is wrong is wrong, even if 99% of the society says it's good. What is good is good, even if 99% say it's wrong
Some societies calling murder fine, and other societies calling it evil, are just 2 societies participating in the truth to varying degrees, the former not participating in it at all, the latter participating in it fully
The CEO did nothing wrong, you are a poor person venting your rage at those richer than you
Blah blah blah, we are no more inherently valuable than the corn in a piece of shit (corn is alive, it's a plant)
>he thinks making choices is a material process
"MUH SCIENCE!!!"
Hey, so if "choosing" is all electrical signals, what interpretates those electrical signals as a choice in the first place?
Those electrical signals are not our will/intellect, anymore than words written in chalk are words
In of itself, the words written in chalk are mere scribbles made of limestone. Only after an exterior, interpreting mind do they become "words". Likewise those electrical signals are not our "will", they are just effects of our choice which comes from our will.
Our will is the cause, electrical signals and the like are the effect
Why must the will have an internal reason to choose between 2 options?
Not sure why you're talking about bodily functions, the will/intellect are not bodily faculties. You will have to engage in abstraction in order to demonstrate why the will cannot choose one option or another without an internal reason
Thanks. Being online is not the problem. The problem was the method and my refusal to let things go.
I've been priviledging - for years - people I couldn't help instead of concentrating on those who need it and became similar to the ones I fight methodology. So I will be finding new ways of being helpfull.
End of discussion.
A projection of those signals : Consciousness.
Then you have the power of a god as only the power of a god could allow your will to preceed electrical signals and the material conditions of existence. Which is the process of creating consequences before causations thus reversing causality.
I will now ask you to create matter ex-nihilo. Since you are able to do this for your will.
I've been priviledging - for years - people I couldn't help instead of concentrating on those who need it and became similar to the ones I fight methodology. So I will be finding new ways of being helpfull.
End of discussion.
A projection of those signals : Consciousness.
Then you have the power of a god as only the power of a god could allow your will to preceed electrical signals and the material conditions of existence. Which is the process of creating consequences before causations thus reversing causality.
I will now ask you to create matter ex-nihilo. Since you are able to do this for your will.
Owned
Can someone reply to this tagging everyone in this thread? I broke Logiko
A cause always precedes an effect. The will precedes the body's movements in the context of a choice, and so the will always precedes some electrical signals involved in decisionmaking
Those signals are an effect, it's cause being an external will which ordered the body to send those signals
Can someone reply to this tagging everyone in this thread? I broke Logiko
A cause always precedes an effect. The will precedes the body's movements in the context of a choice, and so the will always precedes some electrical signals involved in decisionmaking
Those signals are an effect, it's cause being an external will which ordered the body to send those signals
Owned
Can someone reply to this tagging everyone in this thread? I broke Logiko
Can someone reply to this tagging everyone in this thread? I broke Logiko
And no, this not you lawl. I've been cooking this change for month.
Exactly.
More like a consequences. The consequences of the material conditions of existence in which our brain evolves in.
Your will might precedes your brain's function and signals. Not mine. I don't have the power of a god.
Yeah I know most of them won’t
but the fact that there are so many people who passionately hate Indians is concerning
because you only need one guy insane enough to act on it for many people to die
yeah but just saying that isn’t a hate crime. Hate crimes are actual crimes committed against people deemed to be motivated by hate.
just because some people make bad faith antisemitism allegations doesn’t mean real antisemites don’t exist.
White supremacist terrorism is the most common form of terrorism in America and most of those people hate Jews.
but the fact that there are so many people who passionately hate Indians is concerning
because you only need one guy insane enough to act on it for many people to die
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yeah but just saying that isn’t a hate crime. Hate crimes are actual crimes committed against people deemed to be motivated by hate.
just because some people make bad faith antisemitism allegations doesn’t mean real antisemites don’t exist.
White supremacist terrorism is the most common form of terrorism in America and most of those people hate Jews.
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