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World against Israel you say.
Yet, no one in the world was able to stop Israel.
You need to understand something - countries' don't care about Israel or Palestinians. They care about their stakes and interests.
West has stakes and interest in Israel and they will do everything to ensure Israel keeps on going if war goes on.
Yes we have seen more people being sympathetic towards Palestinian cause but the thing is sympathy won't win you the war....not this one and not in future.
Yet, no one in the world was able to stop Israel.
You need to understand something - countries' don't care about Israel or Palestinians. They care about their stakes and interests.
West has stakes and interest in Israel and they will do everything to ensure Israel keeps on going if war goes on.
Yes we have seen more people being sympathetic towards Palestinian cause but the thing is sympathy won't win you the war....not this one and not in future.
There is no such thing.
Sorry I thing you missunderstood what I meant. When I'm saying "the world", I'm talking about the population, not the 0.00001% that compose the states and governements. I'm not talking about countries like states but countries like nations. Those two things are different.
Today, the world is against the apartheid of Israel.
It won't won us the war today, yes. But it will create the path to stop Israel's action in the future. Truth takes its time, but it always arrives.
Sorry I thing you missunderstood what I meant. When I'm saying "the world", I'm talking about the population, not the 0.00001% that compose the states and governements. I'm not talking about countries like states but countries like nations. Those two things are different.
Today, the world is against the apartheid of Israel.
It won't won us the war today, yes. But it will create the path to stop Israel's action in the future. Truth takes its time, but it always arrives.
No one wins the war. Everyone loses.
Nothing was gained. Not even sympathy for Palestinians because people have short term memory. By the time next war will happen in years in future, this movement and its support would die down. That's how it always happen.
You can keep on waiting for the path because as long as Israel enjoys overwhelming resources from the west and other countries, Palestinians can't win with resistance.
The world you keep on bringing isn't reliable. They forget, they even change their stance, they flip flop. Support you are seeing today might not even exist few years down the line.
But what will definitely exist - is broader foreign policy framework of the west and other countries supporting Israel
Nothing was gained. Not even sympathy for Palestinians because people have short term memory. By the time next war will happen in years in future, this movement and its support would die down. That's how it always happen.
You can keep on waiting for the path because as long as Israel enjoys overwhelming resources from the west and other countries, Palestinians can't win with resistance.
The world you keep on bringing isn't reliable. They forget, they even change their stance, they flip flop. Support you are seeing today might not even exist few years down the line.
But what will definitely exist - is broader foreign policy framework of the west and other countries supporting Israel
I'm not taking Israel into question here.
The lack of support for Palestine is one of the reasons why democrates lost, it's also one of the reasons why the radical left is winning in France. Step by step, the supports of Israel are being pressured into the exit. Multiple generations are waking up at the same time.
It might not be now, it might now be tomorrow, but trust me, it's coming. And on this day, it will be too late for fascists enablers to say "I'm sorry".
We don't live in utopia just yet. The forgiveness I'm trying to promote here will not be applied.
The lack of support for Palestine is one of the reasons why democrates lost, it's also one of the reasons why the radical left is winning in France. Step by step, the supports of Israel are being pressured into the exit. Multiple generations are waking up at the same time.
It might not be now, it might now be tomorrow, but trust me, it's coming. And on this day, it will be too late for fascists enablers to say "I'm sorry".
We don't live in utopia just yet. The forgiveness I'm trying to promote here will not be applied.
Is this an attempt at threatening some of the user base here?
You frequently bring up the term 'fascist' in your posts, and it’s not unreasonable for me to assume that this specific word is aimed at certain people who post in this thread.
I also didn't see you being appreciative of Trump's actions for this month either, even though his involvement was the key to ending the one-sided destruction between Israel and Palestine (Biden attempted to take credit for this but he can take a hike.).
You frequently bring up the term 'fascist' in your posts, and it’s not unreasonable for me to assume that this specific word is aimed at certain people who post in this thread.
I also didn't see you being appreciative of Trump's actions for this month either, even though his involvement was the key to ending the one-sided destruction between Israel and Palestine (Biden attempted to take credit for this but he can take a hike.).
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I'm talking about all fascists enablers all over the world. It's not a question of violence, but international right and social stigma.
Those who legitimized or tried to invisibilize this genocide will be caught by History and since it will be much sooner that the arrival of Utopia:
-> Politics will be brought to justice.
-> Influencers will be boycotted and shamed.
-> People will be oxtracized if they are not already
What I'm saying is that we are not living in a nice world at the moment. This is not a game. It will be TOO LATE for people to apologize in front of the wall.
The genocide of Gaza is not some invention created by leftists. It's a HIGHLY DOCUMENTED fact that only lacks the proper legal investigation. The recognition of this genocide is only a question of time and with it, the responsibility of those who tried to defend Israel's actions will be revealed.
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Also, to anyone who praises Trump for having done absolutely ziltch..
I know you do not understand why Israel is suddenly accepting a deal now out of all time, that is similar to the one that was proposed to them last year, but I have faith that the true nature of Trump's project will shine soon enough for you to understand just how deluded you were.
As for some of the people here who had the behavior i'm denouncing in this post. You will have to live with yourself and the idea that you tried to justify what is happening here.
And trust me. Guilt is a B*tch.
Those who legitimized or tried to invisibilize this genocide will be caught by History and since it will be much sooner that the arrival of Utopia:
-> Politics will be brought to justice.
-> Influencers will be boycotted and shamed.
-> People will be oxtracized if they are not already
What I'm saying is that we are not living in a nice world at the moment. This is not a game. It will be TOO LATE for people to apologize in front of the wall.
The genocide of Gaza is not some invention created by leftists. It's a HIGHLY DOCUMENTED fact that only lacks the proper legal investigation. The recognition of this genocide is only a question of time and with it, the responsibility of those who tried to defend Israel's actions will be revealed.
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Also, to anyone who praises Trump for having done absolutely ziltch..
I know you do not understand why Israel is suddenly accepting a deal now out of all time, that is similar to the one that was proposed to them last year, but I have faith that the true nature of Trump's project will shine soon enough for you to understand just how deluded you were.
As for some of the people here who had the behavior i'm denouncing in this post. You will have to live with yourself and the idea that you tried to justify what is happening here.
And trust me. Guilt is a B*tch.
Please at least no more genocide
Either way it's not about being guilty, it's about repenting, I haven't considered that people will feel guilt in the future for having supported it, they probably will, but in my opinion that guilt should be forgotten the moment it's felt and instead efforts should be made to help the jewish people and the palestinian people, not to dwell in guilt,
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Either way it's not about being guilty, it's about repenting, I haven't considered that people will feel guilt in the future for having supported it, they probably will, but in my opinion that guilt should be forgotten the moment it's felt and instead efforts should be made to help the jewish people and the palestinian people, not to dwell in guilt,
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So you want people over the world to forget that it was Hamas who made a sudden attack on Israel first?
Israel was overzealous in their response to it, but the mentality that they had going forward with the retaliation as a way to eliminate Hamas terrorists that were hiding are to put it frank, understandable.
Here is to hoping nothing gets further instigated by both sides any further.
Israel was overzealous in their response to it, but the mentality that they had going forward with the retaliation as a way to eliminate Hamas terrorists that were hiding are to put it frank, understandable.
Here is to hoping nothing gets further instigated by both sides any further.
First, wrong. The first attack was made by Israel when they started their appartheid regime.
You can rethink this data however you want in your head. The oppressor is Israel and has always been Israel (at least after 48). The attack was no sudden, it was the result of 70 years of oppression.
Second, I think he meant forgive* as in we must forgive people who invisibilized the genocide. While I agree with him. I won't stop people in the future from being angry at those who - like some guys here - are legitimizing and invisibilizing a genocide once the it is recognize as such by international comitees.
There is nothing justifiable in a genocide.
You can rethink this data however you want in your head. The oppressor is Israel and has always been Israel (at least after 48). The attack was no sudden, it was the result of 70 years of oppression.
Second, I think he meant forgive* as in we must forgive people who invisibilized the genocide. While I agree with him. I won't stop people in the future from being angry at those who - like some guys here - are legitimizing and invisibilizing a genocide once the it is recognize as such by international comitees.
There is nothing justifiable in a genocide.
Interesting remark.
Let's be clear first, there is no moral entity and I do not believe in moral but in ethics.
Now.. There are people who think that we tend toward progress. And to those people, people like me are saying "no, don't be so sure". Technological Progress and social progress are not a given, we could very well end up in a void of darkness for millenias if we are not careful or even regress back to the stone age.
This is something rightist often tend to struggle with. As they think fascism is just a thing of the past.. while they are reproducing the exact principle that brought it to life in the first place..
This is for the rationnal part of my mind, when we take a bigger look at history and our potential.
Now... If we look even bigger, to a specie level scale.. things - in my opinion - will tend to smooth up. There is indeed a part of me who believe that conscious and organized social civilizations over hundreds of millenias, tends, by essence, toward positive behavior relative to said conscious life. Which also mean that two different civilizationnal life forms could very well have different form of "positivity" that could be contradictory which would prevent them from interaction on a physical level.
The reason why I think life progress toward more "relative social and technological positivity" is simply because organized social life form tend to avoid what make it suffers. So, at the end of the end of the day, I think this principle is a strong enough pressure to push any civilization toward a relative self social and technological progress.
The universe allows an almost infinite number of combinaison.. So, no matter how many times a civilization fail. As long as it is alive, there should be one moment where darkness will not be strong enough to hold on in front of light.
This is why, while arguing a lot here because I don't want anyone to suffer, I have faith in our specie. Utopia is coming.
Let's be clear first, there is no moral entity and I do not believe in moral but in ethics.
Now.. There are people who think that we tend toward progress. And to those people, people like me are saying "no, don't be so sure". Technological Progress and social progress are not a given, we could very well end up in a void of darkness for millenias if we are not careful or even regress back to the stone age.
This is something rightist often tend to struggle with. As they think fascism is just a thing of the past.. while they are reproducing the exact principle that brought it to life in the first place..
This is for the rationnal part of my mind, when we take a bigger look at history and our potential.
Now... If we look even bigger, to a specie level scale.. things - in my opinion - will tend to smooth up. There is indeed a part of me who believe that conscious and organized social civilizations over hundreds of millenias, tends, by essence, toward positive behavior relative to said conscious life. Which also mean that two different civilizationnal life forms could very well have different form of "positivity" that could be contradictory which would prevent them from interaction on a physical level.
The reason why I think life progress toward more "relative social and technological positivity" is simply because organized social life form tend to avoid what make it suffers. So, at the end of the end of the day, I think this principle is a strong enough pressure to push any civilization toward a relative self social and technological progress.
The universe allows an almost infinite number of combinaison.. So, no matter how many times a civilization fail. As long as it is alive, there should be one moment where darkness will not be strong enough to hold on in front of light.
This is why, while arguing a lot here because I don't want anyone to suffer, I have faith in our specie. Utopia is coming.