Controversial General Political Discussion

[NAMELESS]

Did you forget that we are in a political thread ?

It was an interesting scenario so I took it seriously. It's a very good basis to understand how we function, how your vision is contradictory to mine and why this difference would lead us to war in such situation.

Also, can you just relax for a minute and stop insulting me everytime you speak to me ? And stop talking about mods please. If I had spoken 50% of your constant insults, I would be threadbanned instantly.

Stop whinning

Not really, a tribal society works for small groups living in place with an abundance of resources. Problem is: can people hunt, fish, purify water, make a fire, make primitive tools, build shelters, navigate nature using stars, basic first aid skills/hygiene using whatever nature provides, sewing clothing and so on. It would take quite a few skills to pull this off.

 

[Uncle Van]

Uncle, how long do you think we would survive if the members here on this thread all got stuck in an Island in the middle of somewhere?

No laws and easy mob mentality? Don't know bout you guys, but I'd instantly distance myself from yall and survive on my own. I can fish, skin animals, purity water, get water from trees, start a fire etc..

Everyone could easily die because of panic, hysteria, and dumbasses.

You say that, but everybody does that even you have.

These people love to decry about Billionaires etc but ignore the ones that benefit them; It's hypocritical. To me it screams jealousy and envy. To a much higher decree than normal.
Without a Moral compass, what remains?

Having a moral compass or not isn't the point; it's about people limiting solutions, ignoring important details and history, and generalizing to hell because they view their morals as the only right option.

For example, someone can easily be against taking lives of any kind for any reason. Cool. They even believe that if you take a life, you should go to jail regardless if it was self defense. Alright I guess. If someone questions it, they should just say that it's just their subjective morals and move on, and shouldn't dictate how the justice system should handle punishments for taking lives. Instead, they start dictating that punishment for self defense is the only good option, and those who disagree must be horrible people that loves suffering.

 

[Ravagerblade]

No laws and easy mob mentality? Don't know bout you guys, but I'd instantly distance myself from yall and survive on my own. I can fish, skin animals, purity water, get water from trees, start a fire etc..

Everyone could easily die because of panic, hysteria, and dumbasses.



Having a moral compass or not isn't the point; it's about people limiting solutions, ignoring important details and history, and generalizing to hell because they view their morals as the only right option.

For example, someone can easily be against taking lives of any kind for any reason. Cool. They even believe that if you take a life, you should go to jail regardless if it was self defense. Alright I guess. If someone questions it, they should just say that it's just their subjective morals and move on, and shouldn't dictate how the justice system should handle punishments for taking lives. Instead, they start dictating that punishment for self defense is the only good option, and those who disagree must be horrible people that loves suffering.

That just sounds like sophistry to me.
There is such a thing as right and wrong, then problem is some people would rather argue the nuances, ins and outs of it all instead.

 

[Logiko]

Sure, whatever. I'm glad to be seen as such by "You".
Means a tenth of the whole world to me.

Never said that I accepted it.

Not really, a tribal society works for small groups living in place with an abundance of resources. Problem is: can people hunt, fish, purify water, make a fire, make primitive tools, build shelters, navigate nature using a stars, basic first aid skills/hygiene using whatever nature provides, sewing clothing and so on. It would take quite a few skills to pull this off.

Well of course. But we humans tend to learn real fast in situations of danger. With the knowledge of what it possible I don't think it would take us that long to make our first fire.

The real problem is less the ressources and more the organization of the "society".

Survival in such an environement is a political problem. Do we choose to go for the sendetary path and risk the appropriation of ressources, exploitations and corruptions or, do we choose a more participative way.

 

[Uncle Van]

That just sounds like sophistry to me.
There is such a thing as right and wrong, then problem is some people would rather argue the nuances, ins and outs of it all instead.

Not really. There are many situations where there is no clear cut right or wrong, so people fill in the gap with their own subjective morals. Bottom line is that people use their own morals to judge how the world should be, and call everything that doesn't fit within their moral compass as wrong. Like Vegans trying to stop people and animals from eating other animals because they personally don't like it.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Not really. There are many situations where there is no clear cut right or wrong, so people fill in the gap with their own subjective morals. Bottom line is that people use their own morals to judge how the world should be, and call everything that doesn't fit within their moral compass as wrong. Like Vegans trying to stop people and animals from eating other animals because they personally don't like it.

That's entirely a different set then. Ethics etc...

 

[Logiko]

That's entirely a different set then. Ethics etc...

Ethics is always the way to go.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Ethics is always the way to go.

Ah yes, you would say something about that word popping up.
So predictable. People live by different set of Ethics, some we call criminals etc...

 

[NAMELESS]

No laws and easy mob mentality? Don't know bout you guys, but I'd instantly distance myself from yall and survive on my own. I can fish, skin animals, purity water, get water from trees, start a fire etc..

Everyone could easily die because of panic, hysteria, and dumbasses.



Having a moral compass or not isn't the point; it's about people limiting solutions, ignoring important details and history, and generalizing to hell because they view their morals as the only right option.

For example, someone can easily be against taking lives of any kind for any reason. Cool. They even believe that if you take a life, you should go to jail regardless if it was self defense. Alright I guess. If someone questions it, they should just say that it's just their subjective morals and move on, and shouldn't dictate how the justice system should handle punishments for taking lives. Instead, they start dictating that punishment for self defense is the only good option, and those who disagree must be horrible people that loves suffering.

Not really, man. Being a lone wolf only works for a while. Eventually you will need help when you fall sick, get injured or hungry/thirsty.

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Never said that I accepted it.



Well of course. But we humans tend to learn real fast in situations of danger. With the knowledge of what it possible I don't think it would take us that long to make our first fire.

The real problem is less the ressources and more the organization of the "society".

Survival in such an environement is a political problem. Do we choose to go for the sendetary path and risk the appropriation of ressources, exploitations and corruptions or, do we choose a more participative way.

We need to figure out how to solve the problem of food, water and shelter before we start killing each other over religion, politics and bullshit. Surviving in a desolate place isn't as easy as you might think. Depending where we are, we could all die very fast.

 

[Logiko]

Ah yes, you would say something about that word popping up.
So predictable. People live by different set of Ethics, some we call criminals etc...

It's complicated.

There is no good or bad. It's all a matter of material conditions and necessity of actions.

We need to figure out how to solve the problem of food,water and shelter before we start killing each other over religion, politics and bullshit. Surviving in a desolate place isn't as easy as you might think. Depending where we are, we could all die very fast.

And how do you decide who gets what ?
How do you divide the tasks ?
Who chooses ?
Do you impose yourself ?
Do you let someelse lead ?
What if 50% of people think we should care less about wounded people ?
What if three people want to create a place where decisions are common ?
Do you share all ressources equally or do you give more to people who do more ?

Surviving is not just about fire and water. It's a political question.
It's the reason why surviving shows are popular.

 

[NAMELESS]

It's complicated.

There is no good or bad. It's all a matter of material conditions and necessity of actions.



And how do you decide who gets what ?
How do you divide the tasks ?
Who chooses ?
Do you impose yourself ?
Do you let someelse lead ?
What if 50% of people think we should care less about wounded people ?
What if three people want to create a place where decisions are common ?
Do you share all ressources equally or do you give more to people who do more ?

Surviving is not just about fire and water. It's a political question.
It's the reason why surviving shows are popular.

1-First we got have stuff(food,water,etc...) before we can even decide that.
2-Anyone will do what he can do. This is a no brainer.
3-Impose about what?
4-Most people will follow people that are competent.Uncle looks like a nice candidate since he can hunt/fish and has military/police background.
5-No idea what you are talking about here.
6-What?
7-I think people should first tend to their selves and then distribute goods based on individual need.

 

[Logiko]

1-First we got have stuff(food,water,etc...) before we can even decide that.
2-Anyone will do what he can do. This is a no brainer.
3-Impose about what?
4-Most people will follow people that are competent.Uncle looks like a nice candidate since he can hunt/fish and has military/police background.
5-No idea what you are talking about here.
6-What?
7-I think people should first tend to their selves and then distribute goods based on individual need.

Well good luck lol


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Anyway. Time to let this thread die. I've seen enough.

To the few leftists and One Piece fans here. Here is my advice to you :

Let this forum go.. There is nothing left for us here. I just saw someone saying that Parallels in One Piece are bad because... well they said so, and everyone agreed. So I would not worry about posters here, they won't last long in the community... or the community itself is cooked. And if it happens.. well too bad..

Let this part of the fanbase in their reactionnary and hatefull place and if you can, join a community with less hatred in their hearth and more concerns for oppressed people... and One Piece.

Or don't.. it's your choice.

This place is not a One Piece forum, it's a F. joke.

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[Reborn]

Things would be better if people would learn to stop using their own moral compass as a baseline for right and wrong, and shoving it in people's faces. But that's politics 101 for most people.

And people would definitely insult each other in real life lol.

Poltics and religion really brings the worst out of people.

There is a youtuber who speaks his mind. He has very firm opinions. His content has political, religious and historical touch but it's backed by his education and reports and facts. One of the most honest speaker I found on YouTube. He talks with reason.

He belongs to a conservative, religious Islamic society. So, you can imagine the backlash he receives because of his progressive ideas.

Few months ago, people deliberately clipped his videos to make reels and shorts to spread propaganda against him online.

Many who doesn't even watch his videos simply based their opinions about him on the basis of out of context reels and shorts

His family was attacked by gunmen and what worse was people openly declared threats and planned attack against him- a girl was asking to set an example out of him and asked people to kill him whenever opportunity presents, a guy on twitter planned to cut his private parts - a whole toxic narrative against him just not to criticize but to actually kill him.


He's still doing good. He's still making videos but point is insulting is nothing in comparison to whole toxic narrative which gets build in social media world these days. It's deliberately done to silent people, defame and sometimes even target them physically.

 

[Kami Burn]

I see my opponent has good heart.

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Let's take this to the dick size thread then

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Actually, never mind.

No I'm evil incarnated.

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you would lose because of huge horse c...

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

The whole bible is questionable from a historic point of view. It's as you would debate if the Merovingian were descendants of Jesus.

No they actually were descendants of Troyans, like everyone else in the middle ages.

'm only Christian thanks to Marian Apparitions.

Mary is the Christian mother goddess replacement

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Mary is the Christian mother goddess replacement

Not a goddess.

 

[Mathias]

Things would be better if people would learn to stop using their own moral compass as a baseline for right and wrong, and shoving it in people's faces. But that's politics 101 for most people.

And people would definitely insult each other in real life lol.

Their own moral compass as a baseline ? But isn't this the whole point of having a moral compass ? Why would there even be political discussions without a "moral compass" ? I mean, your statement sounds like a repetition itself.


As for insults irl, it would happen but it's a bit less likely because no one would hide behind their IP adrress.


(but maybe we would kill each other then )

Is there such a thread?

Yes, it's full of dick pics and people banned for life. It's in a place where we cannot access anymore, or at least cannot access and return back.

Legendary thread

(no it doesn't exist---- probably)

 

[Akai2]

I'm trying to find other things to do

I hope you do man, because being honest, your posting habits here aren't healthy.

Try to get out of this thread as a start lol

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

I'm trying to find other things to do

May I suggest trying a local Catholic church?

 

[NAMELESS]

Poltics and religion really brings the worst out of people.

There is a youtuber who speaks his mind. He has very firm opinions. His content has political, religious and historical touch but it's backed by his education and reports and facts. One of the most honest speaker I found on YouTube. He talks with reason.

He belongs to a conservative, religious Islamic society. So, you can imagine the backlash he receives because of his progressive ideas.

Few months ago, people deliberately clipped his videos to make reels and shorts to spread propaganda against him online.

Many who doesn't even watch his videos simply based their opinions about him on the basis of out of context reels and shorts

His family was attacked by gunmen and what worse was people openly declared threats and planned attack against him- a girl was asking to set an example out of him and asked people to kill him whenever opportunity presents, a guy on twitter planned to cut his private parts - a whole toxic narrative against him just not to criticize but to actually kill him.


He's still doing good. He's still making videos but point is insulting is nothing in comparison to whole toxic narrative which gets build in social media world these days. It's deliberately done to silent people, defame and sometimes even target them physically.

I would add soccer to that list. I have seen similar shit happen to people over takes about fucking soccer. Hooligans beating up people to death over their team losing a game. People suck. Idolatry makes them suck even more.