Controversial General Political Discussion

[Uncle Van]

'Whiteness studies' were created by individuals to justify their own racial hatred, biases, or in the case of white scholars, their oikophobia. They were demonstrating their grief as a way to exonerate their subsequent extremism. They then proceeded to demonise the very people they themselves feel discriminated by, all the while placing themselves in a position of victimhood to further protect themselves from scrutiny.

Above all else, Logiko, your greatest problem is that you are incredibly susceptible to confirmation bias. You were as a right-winger, and you're now as a left-winger. You selectively follow, and promote, studies that you already agree with. You actively sought them out for that purpose. You're acting enlightened, when you're just following what you want to believe the most.

I will cease responding on this specific conversation. It's pointless.

Know that he blatantly insinuated that I have a "white savior mentality" for saying I didn't grow up hateful of police despite my bad experiences with them. Just a thought.

 

[Okamakama]

Ok that's possible. I'm not perfect. What makes you believe that it is not your case? That you are right and I'm not.

Because I have read whiteness studies when I was younger and ended up resulting in the belief I just presented. Logiko, you presume that others do not read leftist material - perhaps because you're projecting: You don't read anything outside of YOUR comfort zone.

 

[Okamakama]

Know that he blatantly insinuated that I have a "white savior mentality" for saying I didn't grow up hateful of police despite my bad experiences with them. Jsut a thought.

Damn, spoken like a true white saviour.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

You said it so much better than I.



Once again, cheers. I was hesitant to bring up the Hindu caste system because I was expecting a diatribe depicting me as a racist - which I really have no patience for right now.

Amazing post.

I dont have any problem with racism as a system. But if I accept this concept then I have the responsability to accept the conclusions that follows this concept: that any ethnic group can be racist if their society has this kind of structure

 

[NAMELESS]

. I believe reality is fundamentally physical. By that, I mean that no matter what is created, no matter what exists, everything that exists must ultimately possess physical properties, have a form of materiality that will interact within the limits of this universe or another. If something has no physical properties (as in physical interactions of matter or forces) it cannot influence reality and cannot be perceived or change anything.

You are fundamentally wrong here. The laws of physics follow a mathematical pattern. Everything in nature follows a strict set of rules, at least at the Newtonian level of physics. This implies nature is governed by things that are intangible. Ideas are not tangible and yet very real. So, there is a non-physical aspect about reality that isn't physical/tangible at all, and it dictates how the physical world behaves.

To me, this implies the existence of a Creator. Since reason and logic precede the physical reality itself, there must be an intelligence behind it. How can order come out of chaos? How can anything come out of nothing? Look up Thomas Aquinas's teleological argument if you want to know more about this.

I mean no disrespect, but I think this idea that God can be opposed by a human is extremely comical and absurd. I have had intrusive thoughts about God, but I know resenting God will only bring forth my destruction. You, a finite and limited intelligence, cannot compete with something infinite and perfect like a god.

About the free will question: if the environment determines every human action, how come there are people that overcome their environments? Neuroscience says the environment SHAPES our behavior (pay attention to this word, "shape"). This means our behavior is MODULATED by the environment, meaning the environment exerts constant influence on us, but it does not DETERMINE our actions.

It is because we are sentient, conscious, and aware beings that we can overcome the external influences by purposefully acting on them. We are not as free as we would like to believe, but if you are conscious about your intrinsic nature and external influences of the environment, you can act upon it and become the master of your behavior. WE CAN CREATE OUR OWN ENVIRONMENTS.

Example: Brazilian media only talks about corruption, crimes, and negative events. Consuming national media was making me depressed and sick. What did I do? I turned off the TV forever. I don't consume that shit. Haven't watched TV in years. I chose not to be bothered by things that are out of my control. I changed my environment.

This is why culture, religion, morals and ethics, and so on are so important. If we don't impose rules on how we carry ourselves through life, we devolve into something more primitive. We are not born civilized. We are educated to be civilized. This is why modernism is so dangerous. It is eroding old traditions that make a civilized life possible.

The natural consequence of deterministic philosophy is disregarding human agency and not holding anyone accountable for their actions, which is a very irresponsible, dangerous, and evil way to go about life. It's philosophy for irresponsible brats. Yes, some people can't answer for the actions, but if you are lucid, you should be held accountable for your choices. We make choices literally every moment of our lives. If we make enough bad choices, life becomes harder. If enough individuals do that, society collapses.

My final advice: study about the paranormal and let your mind be flooded by doubt. I had similar thinking to yours in the past regarding free will. Your beliefs are called "determinism" in philosophy. I don't care if you believe me; I have witnessed paranormal shit. I know we are not gone when the body dies. I ask you to do research on this. There are things out there that we don't know about or can't explain. You will encounter a lot of anecdotal stuff, but don't disregard those simply because they aren't scientific. Science can NOT understand things that operate beyond the physical.

I didn't snap out of determinism by having a eureka moment. I read more about philosophy and challenged my views on the supernatural with both research and hands-on experiences.

 

[Okamakama]

I dont have any problem with racism as a system. But if I accept this concept then I have the responsability to accept the conclusions that follows this concept: that any ethnic group can be racist if their society has this kind of structure

Which is what I was trying to explain. I don't necessarily agree with the concept of racism as a system, but should you operate under that principle, then you need to accept the logical conclusions of that thought process.

 

[NAMELESS]

What do you think a racist is

So you wouldn’t allow your kids to take a government klass? What bout a geography klass?

To me that kind of rhetoric radicalizes people. I don't want my kids hearing "you are hated" by some random clown. Stick to math. I don't want my kid's mind tainted by some random guy's beliefs. He can do that with his own kids.

 

[AL sama]

Because I have read whiteness studies when I was younger and ended up resulting in the belief I just presented. Logiko, you presume that others do not read leftist material - perhaps because you're projecting: You don't read anything outside of YOUR comfort zone.

nah you simply don't understand

 

[Okamakama]

nah you simply don't understand

Bro got me good.

 

[NAMELESS]

Know that he blatantly insinuated that I have a "white savior mentality" for saying I didn't grow up hateful of police despite my bad experiences with them. Just a thought.

I'm growing hateful about those that abuse their authorities due to very recent bad experiences. Some people should never have any authority.

 

[Okamakama]

The natural consequence of deterministic philosophy is disregarding human agency and not holding anyone accountable for their actions, which is a very irresponsible, dangerous, and evil way to go about life.

We are not as free as we would like to believe, but if you are conscious about your intrinsic nature and external influences of the environment, you can act upon it and become the master of your behavior. WE CAN CREATE OUR OWN ENVIRONMENTS.

Bro became a chef for a moment.

 

[NAMELESS]

What do you think a racist is

So you wouldn’t allow your kids to take a government klass? What bout a geography klass?

A racist is someone that hates other people based on their racial features.

 

[Jiihad]

@NAMELESS you do know if you look at tha actual definition of racism/racist. It fits Trump REALLY fuxkin wel/perfectly

 

[Uncle Van]

Which is what I was trying to explain. I don't necessarily agree with the concept of racism as a system, but should you operate under that principle, then you need to accept the logical conclusions of that thought process.

Hey guess what? Quick history lesson:

In the USA back in the mid 1800s, the irish were heavily discriminated against despite being white, believed to be racially and evolutionary inferior to the american whites, placed on the same level as black people.

We literally had white people racially discriminating against white people lmao.

 

[Okamakama]

@NAMELESS you do know if you look at tha actual definition of racism/racist. It fits Trump REALLY fuxkin wel/perfectly

Can you define it though? I want to see someone who isn't Logiko give us an explanation for a change.

 

[NAMELESS]

@NAMELESS you do know if you look at tha actual definition of racism/racist. It fits Trump REALLY fuxkin wel/perfectly

Does it? I haven't watched enough about him to come to that conclusion.

 

[Okamakama]

Hey guess what? Quick history lesson:

In the USA back in the mid 1800s, the irish were heavily discriminated against despite being white, believed to be racially and evolutionary inferior to the american whites, placed on the same level as black people.

We literally had white people racially discriminating against white people lmao.

Yep, whites tried to keep Irish as slaves at one point if I remember correctly. Didn't end well. Killed their slavers pretty quickly.

But actually, you're wrong, Van. Whites cannot experience racism. Logiko told me.

 

[AL sama]

Hey guess what? Quick history lesson:

In the USA back in the mid 1800s, the irish were heavily discriminated against despite being white, believed to be racially and evolutionary inferior to the american whites, placed on the same level as black people.

We literally had white people racially discriminating against white people lmao.

that's just discrimination rather than racism

 

[Jiihad]

Can you define it though? I want to see someone who isn't Logiko give us an explanation for a change.

You want textbook or layman’s?
Racist

Textbook: A person who believes his race is superior or another’s is inferior and acts on those beliefs

Laymans: Believing you/your race is better than another simply kause of your race

Racism

Textbook: belief or ideology that inherent differences among human races determine cultural or personal achievements. Usually asserting one’s race is superior

Layman’s: Treating people different based on their skin color and that persons preconceived notions or beliefs of people of that skin color

 

[Okamakama]

If we really want to go into the whole slavery side, Arabs used to kidnap whites, especially blonde women, to keep as slaves.

The blacks kept slaves in Africa.

Free blacks in America kept black slaves for profit.

But all those people were just experiencing discrimination, not racism.