You want textbook or layman’s?
Racist

Textbook: A person who believes his race is superior or another’s is inferior and acts on those beliefs

Laymans: Believing you/your race is better than another simply kause of your race

Racism

Textbook: belief or ideology that inherent differences among human races determine cultural or personal achievements. Usually asserting one’s race is superior

Layman’s: Treating people different based on their skin color and that persons preconceived notions or beliefs of people of that skin color
Both worked for my point. Thank you. This is what most people see racism as. By this explanation, it's very possible for any race to be racist. I'm not saying one is more racist than another, but the idea that only whites can be racist excuses many bad behaviours.
 
You want textbook or layman’s?
Racist

Textbook: A person who believes his race is superior or another’s is inferior and acts on those beliefs

Laymans: Believing you/your race is better than another simply kause of your race

Racism

Textbook: belief or ideology that inherent differences among human races determine cultural or personal achievements. Usually asserting one’s race is superior

Layman’s: Treating people different based on their skin color and that persons preconceived notions or beliefs of people of that skin color
wrong exclude white people :willight::willight:
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
If we really want to go into the whole slavery side, Arabs used to kidnap whites, especially blonde women, to keep as slaves.

The blacks kept slaves in Africa.

Free blacks in America kept black slaves for profit.

But all those people were just experiencing discrimination, not racism. :goyea:
The Roman population at one time had more slaves than non-slaves which is insane lol. And Africans sold other Africans to the Europeans.
 
You want textbook or layman’s?
Racist

Textbook: A person who believes his race is superior or another’s is inferior and acts on those beliefs

Laymans: Believing you/your race is better than another simply kause of your race

Racism

Textbook: belief or ideology that inherent differences among human races determine cultural or personal achievements. Usually asserting one’s race is superior

Layman’s: Treating people different based on their skin color and that persons preconceived notions or beliefs of people of that skin color
Look, there are a multitude of nations out there. Some people I admire; some of them disgust me. I believe some cultures are inferior and others superior. I'm not a relativist. I believe there are superior and inferior ways to go about life. That doesn't mean I hate people; it means I hate what they believe, how they act, and how they carry themselves about life.
 
1. When you take the term racism to be univocal, that is, applying only to the matter of structural-systemic power, then saying there is no racism against white people becomes a mere tautology; that is, it has no explanatory power whatsoever.
Not really, it's a consequences of the structural domination of white supremacy, it's not a simple tautology. It's something researched and documented mate. I'm not just inventing meanings here.

There is a coherence in the reasonning that I'm trying to share with you. A scientific, systemic/structural and historical one


2. If racism requires power
It requires a structural and social domination. The term "requires" power here is a little bit missleading.

the thesis itself should admit racism against whites where whites do not dominate
And it is precisely because racism can dominate in countries were white are not in power or even in majority that racism is a STRUCTURAL problem, not a simple question of power balance. Racism imapcts countries of the south global too. especially these countries.

Again. Allow me to explain with open mind, and I might be able to share this knowledge with you.

If you don't accept that conclusion, then you show that the definition does not function as an analytical concept
No, it's just that you do not understand the framework of my definition. Not that I'm not coherent. There are specific reason why this conclusion is not true. I'm trying to share them. But you need to change your perspective.


If racism is a system of domination, the coherent position would be to admit that such systems have existed and still exist everywhere
Indeed it does. It exist everywhere.

But it has not always existed. White supremacy is a domination system that is quite recent. And it didn't appear by the mean people usually think it did. It's a big more complicated than that historically. This is why I asked a specific question above that no one respounded to.


systems of domination: the Hindu caste system, Han supremacy over tibetans and uyghurs, which is state policy to this day, among other examples that, if I were to look into it, I would certainly find
Yes, but these are not white supremacy. They are different systems of dominations still full of problems, but less impactfull and threatening to the globality of the human species.. Racism has a lot of specificities that are not shared by other system, especially the one of being completely global. And structural (due to various colonialism and ingerences) in the structure of all societies on the planet.

Know that he blatantly insinuated that I have a "white savior mentality" for saying I didn't grow up hateful of police despite my bad experiences with them. Just a thought.
I checked (because we never know, I have a bad memory), and yeah.. you are lying as usual. Next.


Hey guess what? Quick history lesson:

In the USA back in the mid 1800s, the irish were heavily discriminated against despite being white, believed to be racially and evolutionary inferior to the american whites, placed on the same level as black people.

We literally had white people racially discriminating against white people lmao.


Thanks you for your contribution. You found something on the internet and you didn't understand the meaning.


I literally just talked about this one page ago. >>

If someone feels racism, it means that they have been racialized. Like the case of Irish population in the 19' century. What people can feel on the other hand are discrimination. That's not cool of course, but it is far removed from the realm of racism, it is not the same process, not the same consequences.
But thanks, you are great lmaoooo

:GoodLuck:


Because I have read whiteness studies when I was younger and ended up resulting in the belief I just presented. Logiko, you presume that others do not read leftist material - perhaps because you're projecting: You don't read anything outside of YOUR comfort zone.
No. I presume they don't understand it.

You can read marx 10 times. If you are a billionnaire you will never take it seriousely.
Again. Perspective and Material conditions.


I dont have any problem with racism as a system. But if I accept this concept then I have the responsability to accept the conclusions that follows this concept: that any ethnic group can be racist if their society has this kind of structure
Exactly. The only thing is that racism will only be targeted to those who are not white.

It's like a programming inside the structures of each country and geopolitics. It's like a for of virus that will constantly favor white people and will inevitably oppress in one way or another the rest.

Have you ever heard the fact that people try to whitenen their skin in the south? Well, in certain countries, white supremacy has impacted society so deeply that people are often trying to appear less black than they are in order to fit society. Not because it's cultural, but because this whiteness seeking phenomenon is a behavior than goes back to the period of colonialism where black folks tried to again favors of the white by trying to appear more white than their peers in order to survive. I've talked about this a few month ago through the Work of Fanon, but you can find this same phenomenon within the domain of slavery in the america and today, within the people who try to fit as much azs possible within the carcan of whiteness, sometimes going as far as negating their own culture and needs in order to fit and prevent racist attacks.

This is white supremacy, a structural domination system that was developped a long time ago to subjugate populatioin. Population that would become de facto "racialized".

I wish it wasn't me saying all of this but an activist with more bagage and a deeper understanding of what it means to be living under this white supremacy but you only have me here I'm sorry.


You are fundamentally wrong here. The laws of physics follow a mathematical pattern. Everything in nature follows a strict set of rules, at least at the Newtonian level of physics. This implies nature is governed by things that are intangible. Ideas are not tangible and yet very real. So, there is a non-physical aspect about reality that isn't physical/tangible at all, and it dictates how the physical world behaves.

To me, this implies the existence of a Creator. Since reason and logic precede the physical reality itself, there must be an intelligence behind it. How can order come out of chaos? How can anything come out of nothing? Look up Thomas Aquinas's teleological argument if you want to know more about this.

I mean no disrespect, but I think this idea that God can be opposed by a human is extremely comical and absurd. I have had intrusive thoughts about God, but I know resenting God will only bring forth my destruction. You, a finite and limited intelligence, cannot compete with something infinite and perfect like a god.

About the free will question: if the environment determines every human action, how come there are people that overcome their environments? Neuroscience says the environment SHAPES our behavior (pay attention to this word, "shape"). This means our behavior is MODULATED by the environment, meaning the environment exerts constant influence on us, but it does not DETERMINE our actions.

It is because we are sentient, conscious, and aware beings that we can overcome the external influences by purposefully acting on them. We are not as free as we would like to believe, but if you are conscious about your intrinsic nature and external influences of the environment, you can act upon it and become the master of your behavior. WE CAN CREATE OUR OWN ENVIRONMENTS.

Example: Brazilian media only talks about corruption, crimes, and negative events. Consuming national media was making me depressed and sick. What did I do? I turned off the TV forever. I don't consume that shit. Haven't watched TV in years. I chose not to be bothered by things that are out of my control. I changed my environment.

This is why culture, religion, morals and ethics, and so on are so important. If we don't impose rules on how we carry ourselves through life, we devolve into something more primitive. We are not born civilized. We are educated to be civilized. This is why modernism is so dangerous. It is eroding old traditions that make a civilized life possible.

The natural consequence of deterministic philosophy is disregarding human agency and not holding anyone accountable for their actions, which is a very irresponsible, dangerous, and evil way to go about life. It's philosophy for irresponsible brats. Yes, some people can't answer for the actions, but if you are lucid, you should be held accountable for your choices. We make choices literally every moment of our lives. If we make enough bad choices, life becomes harder. If enough individuals do that, society collapses.

My final advice: study about the paranormal and let your mind be flooded by doubt. I had similar thinking to yours in the past regarding free will. Your beliefs are called "determinism" in philosophy. I don't care if you believe me; I have witnessed paranormal shit. I know we are not gone when the body dies. I ask you to do research on this. There are things out there that we don't know about or can't explain. You will encounter a lot of anecdotal stuff, but don't disregard those simply because they aren't scientific. Science can NOT understand things that operate beyond the physical.

I didn't snap out of determinism by having a eureka moment. I read more about philosophy and challenged my views on the supernatural with both research and hands-on experiences.
I'll reply later
 
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Look, there are a multitude of nations out there. Some people I admire; some of them disgust me. I believe some cultures are inferior and others superior. I'm not a relativist. I believe there are superior and inferior ways to go about life. That doesn't mean I hate people; it means I hate what they believe, how they act, and how they carry themselves about life.
But what is the superior way of life for u? Industrial society, where people are 50% of time online? Large scale of depression and anxiety among people

I believe in moral evolution of societies. Like what happened in renaissance and the achiement of human rights.

But I dont believe in x society is better because their art or their technology, or their way of life are better, except, as I said, in a moral sense. The end of human sacrifice is clearly a social progress and its morally superior
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
Does it? I haven't watched enough about him to come to that conclusion.
He is very racist and has plenty of racist comments and actions, one of them telling congress members to go back to their countries and fix it(they were black and born in America so he assumed they were from Africa from skin color). Trump is hated by half of the U.S. for a reason. For you to get a better understanding, he is the equivalent of half of Brazil hating Luis Silva. Both are convicted criminals with blatant corruption as well.
 
The Roman population at one time had more slaves than non-slaves which is insane lol. And Africans sold other Africans to the Europeans.
I don't even know how they accomplished such a feat. Impressive... but bizarre.

No. I presume they don't understand it.
Such arrogance. How mighty you must be to hold the one true understanding of reality.

I know this will be a strange thing for you to hear, given that you preach it so often, but: Educate yourself.

We discussed something in private earlier, and found that on a topic I am very much an expert in - lived experience + demonstrable real life activism and political involvement + extensive studies - you are very much naive and consuming only one side of the narrative. The one you want to support.
 
But what is the superior way of life for u? Industrial society, where people are 50% of time online? Large scale of depression and anxiety among people

I believe in moral evolution of societies. Like what happened in renaissance and the achiement of human rights.

But I dont believe in x society is better because their art or their technology, or their way of life are better, except, as I said, in a moral sense. The end of human sacrifice is clearly a social progress and its morally superior
For starters, not leeching off other people and living in peace. Morality is but one aspect.
 
Not really, it's a consequences of the structural domination of white supremacy, it's not a simple tautology. It's something researched and documented mate. I'm not just inventing meanings here.

There is a coherence in the reasonning that I'm trying to share with you. A scientific, systemic/structural and historical one



It requires a structural and social domination. The term "requires" power here is a little bit missleading.


And it is precisely because racism can dominate in countries were white are not in power or even in majority that racism is a STRUCTURAL problem, not a simple question of power balance. Racism imapcts countries of the south global too. especially these countries.

Again. Allow me to explain with open mind, and I might be able to share this knowledge with you.


No, it's just that you do not understand the framework of my definition. Not that I'm not coherent. There are specific reason why this conclusion is not true. I'm trying to share them. But you need to change your perspective.



Indeed it does. It exist everywhere.

But it has not always existed. White supremacy is a domination system that is quite recent. And it didn't appear by the mean people usually think it did. It's a big more complicated than that historically. This is why I asked a specific question above that no one respounded to.



Yes, but these are not white supremacy. They are different systems of dominations still full of problems, but less impactfull and threatening to the globality of the human species.. Racism has a lot of specificities that are not shared by other system, especially the one of being completely global. And structural (due to various colonialism and ingerences) in the structure of all societies on the planet.


I checked (because we never know, I have a bad memory), and yeah.. you are lying as usual. Next.






Thanks you for your contribution. You found something on the internet and you didn't understand the meaning.


I literally just talked about this one page ago. >>



But thanks, you are great lmaoooo

:GoodLuck:



No. I presume they don't understand it.

You can read marx 10 times. If you are a billionnaire you will never take it seriousely.
Again. Perspective and Material conditions.



Exactly. The only thing is that racism will only be targeted to those who are not white.

It's like a programming inside the structures of each country and geopolitics. It's like a for of virus that will constantly favor white people and will inevitably oppress in one way or another the rest.

Have you ever heard the fact that people try to whitenen their skin in the south? Well, in certain countries, white supremacy has impacted society so deeply that people are often trying to appear less black than they are in order to fit society. Not because it's cultural, but because this whiteness seeking phenomenon is a behavior than goes back to the period of colonialism where black folks tried to again favors of the white by trying to appear more white than their peers in order to survive. I've talked about this a few month ago through the Work of Fanon, but you can find this same phenomenon within the domain of slavery in the america and today, within the people who try to fit as much azs possible within the carcan of whiteness, sometimes going as far as negating their own culture and needs in order to fit and prevent racist attacks.

This is white supremacy, a structural domination system that was developped a long time ago to subjugate populatioin. Population that would become de facto "racialized".

I wish it wasn't me saying all of this but an activist with more bagage and a deeper understanding of what it means to be living under this white supremacy but you only have me here I'm sorry.



I'll reply later
1. You ran from the questions
2. A lot of strawmen
3. Prove that racism as a systematic power didnt existed somewhere in the history (this sound literally like rousseau's noble savage lol)
 
So you acknowledge that you haven’t watched enough bout em to come to tha conclusion he’s a racist….but you then say in a previous komment that you don’t think he’s racist
Racist and other labels or accusations are being used as a political tool to attack anyone that is deemed a persona non grata. "The boy who cried wolf," my dude. If you lie long enough, people don't believe in you anymore. I automatically disregard what big media says about anyone because they have no credibility with me.
 
He is very racist and has plenty of racist comments and actions, one of them telling congress members to go back to their countries and fix it(they were black and born in America so he assumed they were from Africa from skin color). Trump is hated by half of the U.S. for a reason. For you to get a better understanding, he is the equivalent of half of Brazil hating Luis Silva. Both are convicted criminals with blatant corruption as well.
there are a multitude of nations out there. Some people I admire; some of them disgust me. I believe some cultures are inferior and others superior. I'm not a relativist. I believe there are superior and inferior ways to go about life.
shouldn't this explain everything Van?? :YeahBoi::YeahBoi:
 
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