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The type of Migrants Left supports:
Saddam- ul -haq who arrived from Bangladesh to India in 1979, through an illegal route. He settled in West Bengal. While Saddam was illiterate, he was wise enough to understand the value of a voting card. He got his voting ID through his local politician.
Next year in 1980, he married Shameena & used her as a production factory of kids. Within 2 months of marrying Shameena, he married
Santoshi through a fake identity & later converted her to Fatima Bibi.
Within a year, Saddam had 4 wives. All of them were production factories for him. He had a clear understanding that the number of voter cards is equally proportional to the value they will have their local politician. Every 9 months each of his wives delivered a baby. The process of the next child started within 2 months of delivery.
By 1990 Saddam had 4 wives & 36 children (4 had died during delivery or at an early stage). 17 of those 36 children were girls.
So Saddam was to set up 17 new production factories as soon as the girls reached puberty. He was allowed to marry his daughters at the age of 15, personal law.
For him, his daughters were only a means to have more kids. He married them to his own sons from his other wives.
He ensured that those girls did not come in contact with other girls. He did not send them to schools because he did not want his daughters to have any urge to do anything in life other than producing kids & helping Saddam in spreading his agenda.
In 2022, Saddam is 64 years of age. One of his wives has died. His 19 sons have 168 sons/daughters, and some of them have started producing kids.
Overall Saddam has 200 voter IDs. Each of his family members has 10 social media accounts with different names.
They keep bashing India on social media all day through those 2000 accounts. Saddam knows that they are living in India illegally & if Modi remains, they can be asked to go back to Bangladesh plus his conversion racket is in danger.
While Saddam's neighbor, Ritesh has a son who is an engineer in BHEL & his daughter settled in Australia after marriage. They have no time to talk about politics on social media.
Local MLA candidate loves Saddam while he has no time for Ritesh & his family.
The Type of immigrants, Left considers less than insects:
Yesterday was the last of school in Ireland.
My son is to change schools next year, so he touched his teacher's feet for her blessings.
She was baffled.
My son said, "in Hinduism, a teacher is given a position higher than God. Because she gives her students knowledge for life. One might or might not see God but I can meet you every day. "
The Teacher got emotional n hugged him.
He came back home n said that after he did that, an Indian Hindu girl gave him expressions meaning "Weirdo".
That's when I told him, never ever be ashamed of your Culture and beliefs. Ppl of ur own kind will shame you, but it's only a beautiful thought which will impress the world. Hinduism is beauty, you could see it on your teacher's face. Swords n rice bags don't impress people, a beautiful belief does! Be proud!!
The type of Migrants Left supports:
Saddam- ul -haq who arrived from Bangladesh to India in 1979, through an illegal route. He settled in West Bengal. While Saddam was illiterate, he was wise enough to understand the value of a voting card. He got his voting ID through his local politician.
Next year in 1980, he married Shameena & used her as a production factory of kids. Within 2 months of marrying Shameena, he married
Santoshi through a fake identity & later converted her to Fatima Bibi.
Within a year, Saddam had 4 wives. All of them were production factories for him. He had a clear understanding that the number of voter cards is equally proportional to the value they will have their local politician. Every 9 months each of his wives delivered a baby. The process of the next child started within 2 months of delivery.
By 1990 Saddam had 4 wives & 36 children (4 had died during delivery or at an early stage). 17 of those 36 children were girls.
So Saddam was to set up 17 new production factories as soon as the girls reached puberty. He was allowed to marry his daughters at the age of 15, personal law.
For him, his daughters were only a means to have more kids. He married them to his own sons from his other wives.
He ensured that those girls did not come in contact with other girls. He did not send them to schools because he did not want his daughters to have any urge to do anything in life other than producing kids & helping Saddam in spreading his agenda.
In 2022, Saddam is 64 years of age. One of his wives has died. His 19 sons have 168 sons/daughters, and some of them have started producing kids.
Overall Saddam has 200 voter IDs. Each of his family members has 10 social media accounts with different names.
They keep bashing India on social media all day through those 2000 accounts. Saddam knows that they are living in India illegally & if Modi remains, they can be asked to go back to Bangladesh plus his conversion racket is in danger.
While Saddam's neighbor, Ritesh has a son who is an engineer in BHEL & his daughter settled in Australia after marriage. They have no time to talk about politics on social media.
Local MLA candidate loves Saddam while he has no time for Ritesh & his family.
The Type of immigrants, Left considers less than insects:
Yesterday was the last of school in Ireland.
My son is to change schools next year, so he touched his teacher's feet for her blessings.
She was baffled.
My son said, "in Hinduism, a teacher is given a position higher than God. Because she gives her students knowledge for life. One might or might not see God but I can meet you every day. "
The Teacher got emotional n hugged him.
He came back home n said that after he did that, an Indian Hindu girl gave him expressions meaning "Weirdo".
That's when I told him, never ever be ashamed of your Culture and beliefs. Ppl of ur own kind will shame you, but it's only a beautiful thought which will impress the world. Hinduism is beauty, you could see it on your teacher's face. Swords n rice bags don't impress people, a beautiful belief does! Be proud!!
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Yes it is. ISIS was a far right state, sorry to burst your bubble mate. The only difference with a country like Russia or Israel is that it was a muslim state. But Islam is just a religion, there is a entire spectrum of political belief inside it. Just like any country there is a left side and a right side.
Yes, plus everything I just told you. I just went at the very root of the right ideology, being the vision of a world where you, me and everyone else, have a freewill and therefore are the entire responsible for their "destiny" if I should say so... lol
What I mentionned here is not "the right" its the "FAR right". But you are right on everything else. Among those values.
Far right nationalists :)
Russia is far right and has indeed a leftist story just like China. But both went done the path of authoritarism, wich we call in France "going rouge-brun" which means in english "to transition from the left, to the far right". Authoritarism is not a leftist value mate :)
Concerning ISIS, it was far right state, a muslim far right state, just like Iran or Pakistan. The only difference it was also a terrorist and fascist state.
No bro, this is just the logical result of understanding how the values in the world works together. Let me give you an example:
Do you think that we should kill tall women ? I bet you don't, obviously. But a fascist state could easilly create this type of dictate let's say for example on the value that women should only be inferior to men and therefore should NEVER outheight them. Just a reminder that the Nazis did worst things during the war. So what you would have here with your point of view is a clash of value. There is no "center" to such value, most of the time the answer is just "I agree" or "I disagree".
This is what create political debate. The right and the left only exist because their is a BATTLE of values deep down in every laws and every plots and situations. Center is just a title we like to take to look like more wise and "on the top" of the battle. But the reality is that center is an illusion. There is no center just as there is no pourparler to have between political values. The tricky things to understand now is that usually, when you are at the center, you will MOSTLY always favor the right.
The system IS the environment.
This is why we must change the system to change people.
To live, we must accept the illusion of free will. That's why the left keeps pushing the narrative. Without narrative, we die.
Strange, do you think Martin luther King was a dictator. Do you think that him in power would lead to dictatorship ? Strange thought.
And no, there are leftist who didn't went full dictator. Mitterand was one of them.
The right doesn't have the ownership of moral
Note here that you didn't countered my point. You just said "wrong again" while proceeding in trying to prove me wrong. Yes sometimes the right can be right.. but I honestly need some example. Strangely, I can't find one.
----- I take a pause just to let you look at your argumentation. Like always, you failed to counter my point and you either help me build some or missunderstood what I was saying, making therefore out of context points, I didn't asked you to reread the post two time for nothing mate. I knew you would try to prove me wrong through nothingness ------
Yes indeed, your moral compass is like a log pose pointing to a sky island, its upside down. The reason is simple, you think you are right to fight the left when in fact what should be truly mad at is the far right
Like I said, The right doesn't have the ownership of moral. We - the left - have a strong moral compass and most of us (not all of us) understand the mecanism behind the far right moral compass. Hence why we fight it.
Hmm... no
Libertarian aimed at anarchy. The left isn't necessarlly leading toward anarchy. More toward communism (the right way not the way Staline or Mao did it) And the right leads to fascism at the end point. But yes, also at dictatorship and authoritarism. Hence why - again - we fight it.
No.. Sorry bro. This is an illusion, the mere residual effect of a survivor bias.
No, it leads to politic.
Again
Nop, the right is wrong, while the left is right. I hope you follow me cause its kinda confusing lol
Again, quote me sourced examples of the left destroying your country please. Second time I ask you this now.
Sadly, I'm uninform on that specific subject so I can't comment on it. But I'm sure there are plenty of leftists that have a great point of view on the subject.
again, I can't speak on indian subject I'm not informed on it. Sorry I'm a very bad studient. But I'm sure that leftist took part. You are just not seeing them. That's call the information bubble effect.
In country where there isn't a civil wars or million dying of starvation yes. Logically.
Iran is a far right state mate.
I'm sorry, you wrote that for nothing. Again, I'm completely uninformed on Indian subject so I can't give you a proper point of view here.
The left never consider migrant as insect. At least not now. If there is a leftist party that do that in your area in our days and time and world, they are either fascist or rouge brun or far right activist playing leftist.
The situation was not the same before the globalization of the world, so the left could have slave and other problematic point of view but now that we live in a global and connected world, the lefts in our world's states have no excuses and should follow progressive value EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD. (minus some tribes that are not connected)
So if you see a leftist treat a migrant like dirt say this to them: "you are a fascist sir".
Yes, plus everything I just told you. I just went at the very root of the right ideology, being the vision of a world where you, me and everyone else, have a freewill and therefore are the entire responsible for their "destiny" if I should say so... lol
What I mentionned here is not "the right" its the "FAR right". But you are right on everything else. Among those values.
Far right nationalists :)
Russia is far right and has indeed a leftist story just like China. But both went done the path of authoritarism, wich we call in France "going rouge-brun" which means in english "to transition from the left, to the far right". Authoritarism is not a leftist value mate :)
Concerning ISIS, it was far right state, a muslim far right state, just like Iran or Pakistan. The only difference it was also a terrorist and fascist state.
No bro, this is just the logical result of understanding how the values in the world works together. Let me give you an example:
Do you think that we should kill tall women ? I bet you don't, obviously. But a fascist state could easilly create this type of dictate let's say for example on the value that women should only be inferior to men and therefore should NEVER outheight them. Just a reminder that the Nazis did worst things during the war. So what you would have here with your point of view is a clash of value. There is no "center" to such value, most of the time the answer is just "I agree" or "I disagree".
This is what create political debate. The right and the left only exist because their is a BATTLE of values deep down in every laws and every plots and situations. Center is just a title we like to take to look like more wise and "on the top" of the battle. But the reality is that center is an illusion. There is no center just as there is no pourparler to have between political values. The tricky things to understand now is that usually, when you are at the center, you will MOSTLY always favor the right.
The system IS the environment.
This is why we must change the system to change people.
To live, we must accept the illusion of free will. That's why the left keeps pushing the narrative. Without narrative, we die.
Strange, do you think Martin luther King was a dictator. Do you think that him in power would lead to dictatorship ? Strange thought.
And no, there are leftist who didn't went full dictator. Mitterand was one of them.
The right doesn't have the ownership of moral
Note here that you didn't countered my point. You just said "wrong again" while proceeding in trying to prove me wrong. Yes sometimes the right can be right.. but I honestly need some example. Strangely, I can't find one.
----- I take a pause just to let you look at your argumentation. Like always, you failed to counter my point and you either help me build some or missunderstood what I was saying, making therefore out of context points, I didn't asked you to reread the post two time for nothing mate. I knew you would try to prove me wrong through nothingness ------
Yes indeed, your moral compass is like a log pose pointing to a sky island, its upside down. The reason is simple, you think you are right to fight the left when in fact what should be truly mad at is the far right
Like I said, The right doesn't have the ownership of moral. We - the left - have a strong moral compass and most of us (not all of us) understand the mecanism behind the far right moral compass. Hence why we fight it.
Hmm... no
Libertarian aimed at anarchy. The left isn't necessarlly leading toward anarchy. More toward communism (the right way not the way Staline or Mao did it) And the right leads to fascism at the end point. But yes, also at dictatorship and authoritarism. Hence why - again - we fight it.
No.. Sorry bro. This is an illusion, the mere residual effect of a survivor bias.
No, it leads to politic.
Again
Nop, the right is wrong, while the left is right. I hope you follow me cause its kinda confusing lol
Again, quote me sourced examples of the left destroying your country please. Second time I ask you this now.
Sadly, I'm uninform on that specific subject so I can't comment on it. But I'm sure there are plenty of leftists that have a great point of view on the subject.
again, I can't speak on indian subject I'm not informed on it. Sorry I'm a very bad studient. But I'm sure that leftist took part. You are just not seeing them. That's call the information bubble effect.
In country where there isn't a civil wars or million dying of starvation yes. Logically.
Iran is a far right state mate.
I'm sorry, you wrote that for nothing. Again, I'm completely uninformed on Indian subject so I can't give you a proper point of view here.
The left never consider migrant as insect. At least not now. If there is a leftist party that do that in your area in our days and time and world, they are either fascist or rouge brun or far right activist playing leftist.
The situation was not the same before the globalization of the world, so the left could have slave and other problematic point of view but now that we live in a global and connected world, the lefts in our world's states have no excuses and should follow progressive value EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD. (minus some tribes that are not connected)
So if you see a leftist treat a migrant like dirt say this to them: "you are a fascist sir".
Not really, what I am talking about is people making pocket countries inside the country they are in and live by its rules rather than the rules of the country they are in
You can have your own traditions ofc, but you shouldn't bring laws of another country to the country you are in. I'll give you an example
Here in Croatia bcs of Yugoslavia you have a lot of nationalities and religions living together in a relatively peaceful way (don't fuck with me, and i won't fuck with you). Orthodox Serbs living alongside Christian Croatians and Muslim Bosnians, and it works
When immigrant crisis came I was working as a volunteer at a camp, first and second wave were educated people, the brain drain Western Europe wanted, third and fourth wave were basically peasants, and they NEVER bothered to integrate in our country, in the places they settled they hard focused their own rules and regulations, we had cases of them assaulting "natives" bcs some girl wore shorts and some guy didn't wanna see it, shit like that, they never cared about rules and laws, they considered theirs better
Bcs of that vast vast majority were never allowed entry into the country
You can have your own traditions ofc, but you shouldn't bring laws of another country to the country you are in. I'll give you an example
Here in Croatia bcs of Yugoslavia you have a lot of nationalities and religions living together in a relatively peaceful way (don't fuck with me, and i won't fuck with you). Orthodox Serbs living alongside Christian Croatians and Muslim Bosnians, and it works
When immigrant crisis came I was working as a volunteer at a camp, first and second wave were educated people, the brain drain Western Europe wanted, third and fourth wave were basically peasants, and they NEVER bothered to integrate in our country, in the places they settled they hard focused their own rules and regulations, we had cases of them assaulting "natives" bcs some girl wore shorts and some guy didn't wanna see it, shit like that, they never cared about rules and laws, they considered theirs better
Bcs of that vast vast majority were never allowed entry into the country
SInce you are uninformed on the Hindu and Indian situation, I advise you to read about it first and analyse for yourself. And there are lots of Distorted versions of the History glorifying Islamic Invaders and Western Colonizers.
Read all the versions and cross check for yourself and I am sure you shall gain a new perspective.
I advise you to start from here.
https://www.amazon.in/India-that-Bh...ords=j+sai+deepak+books&qid=1688235505&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.in/India-Bharat-...ords=j+sai+deepak+books&qid=1688235505&sr=8-2
It is just a starting point.
We shall get back to discussion after you get sufficiently informed.
Dont go superficial. Delve deep into the history of a civilization.
Welcome.
Read all the versions and cross check for yourself and I am sure you shall gain a new perspective.
I advise you to start from here.
https://www.amazon.in/India-that-Bh...ords=j+sai+deepak+books&qid=1688235505&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.in/India-Bharat-...ords=j+sai+deepak+books&qid=1688235505&sr=8-2
It is just a starting point.
We shall get back to discussion after you get sufficiently informed.
Dont go superficial. Delve deep into the history of a civilization.
Welcome.
Even if you argue American is not Christian nation , it was religious people making laws for religious beliefs and society . You can‘t tell 1700 to 1900 American is not Christian nation when most people are Christian.
USA of before 1900 is not secular nation as most people think . We have prayer in public school .
Now if you arguing today society in USA, then I can agree with you USA is not Christian nation since 1950s or earlier .
USA of before 1900 is not secular nation as most people think . We have prayer in public school .
Now if you arguing today society in USA, then I can agree with you USA is not Christian nation since 1950s or earlier .
These Europeans think this is a “Third World problem” infecting their beautiful “garden”.
No it’s not. This is First world problem. The Western civilization has run its course.
Abrahamic White Christian racism has met Abrahamic Islamist extremism which has met Western Globalist Woke agenda . This is the inevitable end.
No it’s not. This is First world problem. The Western civilization has run its course.
Abrahamic White Christian racism has met Abrahamic Islamist extremism which has met Western Globalist Woke agenda . This is the inevitable end.