Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

The context of westerners being so far removed from conflicts they don't understand how wars and casualties work
specifically it's reddit armchair generals who think IDF can go in (without air support) and magically kill only terrorists and 0 civilians

Yeah, then its completely the wrong context to use this image. In this instance, this is not a war, but a one sided conflict. There is a oppressor and resistant that try to resist how they can.

One team made a huge war crime and the other teams is making thousands of war crimes. In the end, the oppressor is still winning.

IDF KNOWS that its IMPOSSIBLE to get the entire hamas without destroying the population. Simply because the hamas is part of the population like any resistance group. So their choice of bombing hundreds to kills 1 is at best illogical at worse genocidary. And in both case, a war crime.

We are therefore here, not in the context of a war, but in the context of a GENOCIDE + an ETHNICAL CLEANSING.

So please, get Luffy out of the way here, this is not the right contect to use this image.

If Luffy saw and understood the conflict here, he would stop the bombs mid air, throw them back at the planes, Jump the borders and go to Israel, Coc the sh*t out of cryptofascist Israelians watching the bombing on they chair and mojitos, and directly target the Israel gov with the strawhats to finally punch Herzog & Netanyahou heads OUT of their prime minister and president chairs once and for good. And don't rest until an israelian party agrees to stop the bombing, stop the colonization, stop the oppression of palestinian and stop the cryptofascist BS.

This is what Luffy and the gang would do.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Maybe Bibi will ride carue into the middle of gaza and Conricus will KO Deif to get all the hostages back.

Fuckin idiots. The ceasefire is in no way a parallel to a damned cartoon

 

[Logiko]

bruh you're taking this too literally to the alabasta context
it's more on the naivete

Just showing you that your pick for a One Piece image is once again perfectly wrong in the context. Luffy stands against oppression not for war crimes.

 

[Zenos7]

The context of westerners being so far removed from conflicts they don't understand how wars and casualties work
specifically it's reddit armchair generals who think IDF can go in (without air support) and magically kill only terrorists and 0 civilians
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@NAMELESS Seems like they are using German Shepherds to sniff out the tunnels

Isnt that a belgian shepherd?

 

[Fn Lucci]

bruh you're taking this too literally to the alabasta context
it's more on the naivete

If your example relies on having to ignore the ways a parallel doesn't hold up then your parallel fucking sucks. At this point the general estimate is 5800 between dead or missing children.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

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[NAMELESS]

The context of westerners being so far removed from conflicts they don't understand how wars and casualties work
specifically it's reddit armchair generals who think IDF can go in (without air support) and magically kill only terrorists and 0 civilians
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@NAMELESS Seems like they are using German Shepherds to sniff out the tunnels

hum...it seems the search for those tunnels will take a while.Gaza is small,but there are some many of them.Are they going to gas those tunnels?
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Maybe Bibi will ride carue into the middle of gaza and Conricus will KO Deif to get all the hostages back.

Fuckin idiots. The ceasefire is in no way a parallel to a damned cartoon

pretty sure he was talking about people being naive and expecting a war with no civilian loses

 

[NikaInParis]

Netanyahu's psychiatrist killed himself and left a very unambiguous note blaming Netanyahu on his suicide.


Imagine the level of depraved shit this guy must have listened to before he decided enough was enough

 

[Fn Lucci]

pretty sure he was talking about people being naive and expecting a war with no civilian loses

In case you don't remember the scenes of Vivi being horrified by the fighting, Luffy mentions on this very same page that the situation is between fighting forces. Saying this speaks to a disproportionate amount of civilian casualty is worse than naive so don't you be a fucking clown too
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Netanyahu's psychiatrist killed himself and left a very unambiguous note blaming Netanyahu on his suicide.


Imagine the level of depraved shit this guy must have listened to before he decided enough was enough

Apparently it was in 2010?

 

[NAMELESS]

In case you don't remember the scenes of Vivi being horrified by the fighting, Luffy mentions on this very same page that the situation is between fighting forces. Saying this speaks to a disproportionate amount of civilian casualty is worse than naive so don't you be a fucking clown too

i think you are acting like a bitch now just for the sake of it...whatever...

 

[Fn Lucci]

i think you are acting like a bitch now just for the sake of it...whatever...

No you're right. Tell me more ways Oda has explained the false ideologies of the world using flamboyant shapeshifters and dogs that turn into bazookas.

 

[NAMELESS]

No you're right. Tell me more ways Oda has explained the false ideologies of the world using flamboyant shapeshifters and dogs that turn into bazookas.

chill out

 

[Roo]

For those who think this is a genocide, were the Dresden bombing a genocide?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

 

[NikaInParis]

For those who think this is a genocide, were the Dresden bombing a genocide?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

Yes

 

[Roo]

Yes

At least you’re consistent, tho being ahistorical

 

[NikaInParis]

At least you’re consistent, tho being ahistorical

Planned killing of a massive number of civilians being a genocide isn't really that hard to grasp.

You being consistent in your disregard for human life isn't reassuring.

You think those hundreds of tons of bombs were meant to precisely pick out military targets?

And again, ahistorical is a stretch considering that the bombing was scrutinized but, guess who writes history? The answer is the winners, in case you missed that day of school

 

[Fn Lucci]

chill out

Lol I don't actually want you to feel attacked just because I think the point is dumb as shit. But I guess it depends on how seriously you believe it.

For those who think this is a genocide, were the Dresden bombing a genocide?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

That depends: what do you think is the most succinct way to explain the goal of the Dresden bombings?

 

[NAMELESS]

For those who think this is a genocide, were the Dresden bombing a genocide?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II

war crime,dude.

 

[Roo]

Planned killing of a massive number of civilians being a genocide isn't really that hard to grasp.

Yet most historians agreed Genocide is a contentious topic. You’re the one making something extremely complex simple

You being consistent in your disregard for human life isn't reassuring.

It’s called being rational and not emotional. Unless you’re actually out there being killed grow the fuck up. You can step back and have a more logical approach to a discussion like a grown adult.

You think those hundreds of tons of bombs were meant to precisely pick out military targets?

I mean, most people seemed to agree that was the case in Dresden

And again, ahistorical is a stretch considering that the bombing was scrutinized but, guess who writes history? The answer is the winners, in case you missed that day of school

It is scrutinized but I’ve never seen anyone call it a genocide because it is widely agreed that it isn’t. The worst I’ve seen it’s a war crime.

And no history is not written by the victors, that is some corny ass quote. History is written by historians who record what’s going around the world. The Armenian genocide is widely known, by your logic the Armenians “won”?
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That depends: what do you think is the most succinct way to explain the goal of the Dresden bombings?

Cripple the Germans’ manufacturing and logistics

 

[Fn Lucci]

And no history is not written by the victors, that is some corny ass quote. History is written by historians who record what’s going around the world. The Armenian genocide is widely known, by your logic the Armenians “won”?
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Cripple the Germans’ manufacturing and logistics

Right. And I think there are a fair number of reasons I wouldn't be quick to use the term genocide even if I find the casualty count completely disgusting. But then this was also well before my lifetime so I can't possibly feel the same way about it as I do Gaza.

And history is written by the victors. Armenia? You might have a good political, historical group of friends but I assure you that many collective societies and demographics don't begin to give a flying fuck about that genocide. Despite the presence of Armenians in California and such. That's an L.