Controversial General Political Discussion

[Zemmi]

The only thing my children need is for people to stop telling them they can't do something. They aren't special little princesses who need things handed to them. If that happened they would never learn to strive and do for their own and in turn, teach their children the same habits. A great generation curse. Until one of them stands up and says I refuse that narrative and take control over their own lives.

I live in the real world I lived in the hood during my rebellious years. I have seen firsthand the problems in those areas that tbh the Democrats have no desire to truly fix because as long as they keep them in those situations they stay in power.

@Logiko I'm down to hear Trump's racist actions with receipts. Perhaps I missed them, but I am very open to becoming informed. Was it when he made it easier for black-owned businesses? Or was it when he reversed a law Biden was a part of that unequally affected black people and gave them second chances from unfair sentences?

I say people will always find a reason to dislike people, you say you don't like such a statement and then you follow with like any white people in the world. Interesting.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Please tell me what this is.

Logik is C4N . If I am correct it’s Logiko’s previous UN .

 

[Ravagerblade]

Please tell me what this is.

What part?
C4N? That's Logiko, CarrotForNakama, he just changed his name.

 

[Zemmi]

Baby syndrome is a good example of a nonpolitical taught mindset.

Let's say a couple has four kids. The oldest two females and the youngest two males.

The oldest two are held to be responsible and accountable for the younger ones. They are held to higher standards in everyday tasks growing up. Now the younger two get treated more softly since it's a first son and the baby of the family. The daughters naturally join in on the babying and hand outs to their younger siblings.

Fast forward. All children are grown in their 30s. The older two have successful careers, they have ownership over things, they handle responsibilities for themselves and others.

The two boys have never had a single note on anything in their lives. Their sisters still fill out all the paperwork and even make their doctor appointments. If they have appointments far away their sisters or their parents take them. I will give a pass to the youngest because he has MS. Both boys live in homes their father owns. One of the sisters still prepares dinner for one of her brothers to come eat in the evening.


And this is the problem of telling people they can't do something or giving them a leg up or a handout. I'm not against helping in troubling times. Everyone regardless of race/gender ect needs a hand up sometimes. The problem comes in when the system is designed to keep them there like the one in the US. I joked with my sister the other day, it was time for me to pop out two more kids, because we live in a system that rewards being a single parent with kids. There is a reason these cities never get better despite electing Democrats for decades, not only have they not gotten better, they have gotten worse. What is it when you keep doing the same action over and over expecting a different outcome?

 

[NAMELESS]

Baby syndrome is a good example of a nonpolitical taught mindset.

Let's say a couple has four kids. The oldest two females and the youngest two males.

The oldest two are held to be responsible and accountable for the younger ones. They are held to higher standards in everyday tasks growing up. Now the younger two get treated more softly since it's a first son and the baby of the family. The daughters naturally join in on the babying and hand outs to their younger siblings.

Fast forward. All children are grown in their 30s. The older two have successful careers, they have ownership over things, they handle responsibilities for themselves and others.

The two boys have never had a single note on anything in their lives. Their sisters still fill out all the paperwork and even make their doctor appointments. If they have appointments far away their sisters or their parents take them. I will give a pass to the youngest because he has MS. Both boys live in homes their father owns. One of the sisters still prepares dinner for one of her brothers to come eat in the evening.


And this is the problem of telling people they can't do something or giving them a leg up or a handout. I'm not against helping in troubling times. Everyone regardless of race/gender ect needs a hand up sometimes. The problem comes in when the system is designed to keep them there like the one in the US. I joked with my sister the other day, it was time for me to pop out two more kids, because we live in a system that rewards being a single parent with kids. There is a reason these cities never get better despite electing Democrats for decades, not only have they not gotten better, they have gotten worse. What is it when you keep doing the same action over and over expecting a different outcome?

This is a thing,but not everyone that gets this treatment ends ups a bum.
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I need to get some of these bitches from my ignore list,otherwise i will miss these rants.
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If scientists are making proper scientific studies that confirm some conservative ideas then yes, I would side with those scientists. But this is something that mostly never happens. Simply because science tends to side toward progressism.



Still no. There is no reason to listen to a flat earther about science.



This set of studies is proving that you are either ignoring science or lying as this is a wrong statement:




Nop



Yes while waiting for the investigation taht could take a year or more to decide if there was a genocide or not.



Not really no. Some women are actually sometime against feminism or anti feminist.


Case and point.


Which doesn't mean that it is true. Its actually not.




On what bases are you saying that nonsense ? I'm sure you have datas, numbers, scientifics studies and you are not just repeating what you heard from a far right gourou, right ?


Why ?



If we don't make a move now, hundreds of thousands of people will be out of jobs in a few decades.


Again, saying things without sources or scientific researches. Just repeating the common BS of far right gourou just to deligitimates women..


Did you have actual sources or scientific researches to say this BS or are you once again just repeating what you have heard on youtube ?



Maybe there are reasons for that. And those reason are maybe something in common with the way you are talking about women..

Just maybe...


Yes please, do the right thing.



No he is not and the forum is enabling this type of behavior.



They don't, they really don't.

We women have more than 40 % of chances of ending up in an abusive relationship.. they do not "always have it easier in relationships"




You are saying sexists and bigoted stuff that can hurt people and yet you are allowed to talk here... you are besically the guy screaming in the theatre and noone but me is trying to prevent you from doing that, you better enjoy this freedom while it last mate.


Fallacious rethoric


Its not.



You are literally someone that says that its okay for women to be oppressed. Let's tone done the moral lesson ok ?



Because you think you are supportive when you say that women should be forced in arranged marriage ?
No you are not. You are just being sexist, oppressive and bigoted.


Yes, we could reduced suicide. By stopping blaming women for it and start looking at the system all men are participating in (those people included) : Patriarchy. The one system that prevent men from seeking proper help and is constructing men like you, who instead of looking at the bigger picture, prefer to look at the victim of the system and blame them for your internal suffering.

You are being given the solution in a box by a group of people and instead of taking a deep look inside of it, you prefer to take your gun and shoot the people that gave you this present, because you are too afraid to change and discover that you might actually be part of the problem.



Sorry mate, this is not how society works. You are part of intrications of differents systems and environment, you can't just take yourself away from them. You are not living alone on a deserted planet.



Again.. no datas, no scientific studies, just random affirmations out of your sexist a*s...



The problem is not really that he does or doesn't. The problem is that he says those things. Those things can therefore have X impacts.


You would be surprised...



There is no feminist status co. Feminist are against the status co as they want to change the society for better rights and priviledges for women. You are again saying a bunch of nonsence.



Feminists are mainly against liberalism. Once again, nonsence.



No, you just want an excuse to legitimize the sexist vision you have on women and the biased vision you have on men.



Your sexism.



Fascism could also work in a fascist society. Any system could work, at least for a time.

Question: what harm would those systems create on people ?

Answer: A lot.

Conclusion: We should prevent such system from existing.


And you don't understand why I say that you are far right ?



Again, randoms BS affirmations without proper sociological researches or data.



No it doesn't. It just mean that men are not taken care of well enough. Don't jump to conclusions, your statement is fallacious.



No. It was more a road toward a silent death.



Not necessaraly no. Again, an affirmation without proper data.




Saying the man who wants women to be forced in arranged marriages and negates the situations of women in society....



Pure sexism. Well sorry, but this is not something that can't be left unreported.

And... this was the limit.

You crossed it.

I now consider you a full on incel and DANGEROUS man potentially capable of abuse against women.




Please don't. Let those guys alone. They don't need you.


No datas, no reasearches.. just your random average BS affirmation as always...



Wrong. Actually you can : Check for Adoption and A.R.T



Conservative much ?


What is wrong with my "views" ?

Oh and:

Sexism is not an opinion.

"We"?
Thought you were a guy. Did you gender swap too?
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The only thing my children need is for people to stop telling them they can't do something. They aren't special little princesses who need things handed to them. If that happened they would never learn to strive and do for their own and in turn, teach their children the same habits. A great generation curse. Until one of them stands up and says I refuse that narrative and take control over their own lives.

I live in the real world I lived in the hood during my rebellious years. I have seen firsthand the problems in those areas that tbh the Democrats have no desire to truly fix because as long as they keep them in those situations they stay in power.

@Logiko I'm down to hear Trump's racist actions with receipts. Perhaps I missed them, but I am very open to becoming informed. Was it when he made it easier for black-owned businesses? Or was it when he reversed a law Biden was a part of that unequally affected black people and gave them second chances from unfair sentences?

I say people will always find a reason to dislike people, you say you don't like such a statement and then you follow with like any white people in the world. Interesting.

Exactly,i keep telling the kids around here they can all be billionaires. Its all about hard work.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

C4N going on another crazy rant.

Shocking.

 

[Logiko]

C4N going on another crazy rant.

Please tell me what this is.

C4N means "CarrotforNakama" it was my last username. people are still calling me that out of disrespect

is for people to stop telling them they can't do something

Saying that white people have more priviledges than racialized people and saying that black people can't do something because of their skin colors are two very different things:

- One is a racist statement
- The other is a description of an instutionalized reality

The fact that black people have less priviledges doesn't mean that they can't do the same as others. It just means that they will most likely need to do twice the effort because the system and the people composing this system will be against them.

the Democrats have no desire to truly fix

Indeed. This is why leftists like me are usually against democrates and liberals.

@Logiko I'm down to hear Trump's racist actions with receipts. Perhaps I missed them, but I am very open to becoming informed. Was it when he made it easier for black-owned businesses? Or was it when he reversed a law Biden was a part of that unequally affected black people and gave them second chances from unfair sentences?

That was not my statement. My statement was that Trump was the most racist, no that he made racist executive actions.. He actually didn't had a lot of time and power to do that. But since we are going there, he still did. The biggest ones being the Travel Ban/Muslim ban and the ban on the providing of critical training on race and sex discrimination on federal employee.

Overall, Trump's racist inclination is documented here
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8250541/

You see, the problem with Trump is not really what he did in term of executive, its what he purposefully enabled. And what he enable was the growth of racism and the far right white supremacist groups in all the strats of society through everything from his tweets to his public meetings to the people he hired and the people he spitted on. And right now, Trump is literally using Nazi and crypto fascist and racist rethoric to appeal to the far right masses.

Trump's history with racism is a documented fact. This is not the case with Biden.

Not saying that Biden is cool (he is not, he is supporting the Genocide in Gaza FFS) but those are not the same administrations at all.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/01/trump-black-americans-policies-433744

with like any white people in the world

What you don't understand is that saying that all white people have racist biases is not a statement coming from hate, but knowledge. This observations is related to the fact that we all live in a society where white people have more priviledges and are taught that their priviledges are more legitimate than those of racialized people. (more subtly of course)

Let's say a couple has four kids. The oldest two females and the youngest two males.

The oldest two are held to be responsible and accountable for the younger ones. They are held to higher standards in everyday tasks growing up. Now the younger two get treated more softly since it's a first son and the baby of the family. The daughters naturally join in on the babying and hand outs to their younger siblings.

Fast forward. All children are grown in their 30s. The older two have successful careers, they have ownership over things, they handle responsibilities for themselves and others..........

What is interesting with your example, is that you are actually demonstrating one of the problem I try to fight: Its the fact that we ask to girls to take responsibilities for two boys. This is basically a representation of patriarchy in a fraternity.

What is less interesting and borderline fallacious on the other hand with that example, is that you are equating the situation where people are being deresponsibilized since childhood and therefore lacking the sence of responsabilities (like men in heteronormative relationship) with the situation where people are being given taught that society are against them and how to counter that.

In short you are equating those two situations as if they were both deresponsibilizing when this is not the case. One CAN in SOME CASES be indeed be deresponsibilizing. But this is not the case for the other that is just the principle of equity applied to society.

For your example to be correct (and represent the reality of the world correctly) you would need to add one more parameter to the first example : prevention of action. In this case, the two boys should be unable or prevented by an exterior or interior force to do any type of actions (probably due to a physical condition) and it would be the explanation onto why the two older girls are taking care of them (even tho this would be a very terrible education system from the parents). Only here you would create an equivalence in both situation as both situation would be the representation of people being pushed down by a forces (interior - disease - or exterior - systemic racism - ) preventing them to move forward...

... But of course it would also means that the result of the situations would be highly different 30 years later, as both situation would requiere a constant exterior help for the agents to move in society and in NO WAY would this help negate the possibility for them to be accountable or responsible for their actions.

"We"?
Thought you were a guy. Did you gender swap too?

Woops, typing error, I meant "when"

Exactly,i keep telling the kids around here they can all be billionaires. Its all about hard work.

Are you a billionnaire ?

 

[Zemmi]

This is a thing,but not everyone that gets this treatment ends ups a bum.
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I need to get some of these bitches from my ignore list,otherwise i will miss these rants.
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"We"?
Thought you were a guy. Did you gender swap too?
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Exactly,i keep telling the kids around here they can all be billionaires. Its all about hard work.

I just used that as an example so I could slide in a secret vent about my brothers that I love dearly but sometimes I don't get them.

Billionaire is a huge reach, but I think people can achieve their dreams and live comfortably. I have been debating with my daughter since she was 3 because she is determined to be a teacher. 1.) Because her value (to me) is more than a teacher's income 2.) Because young people are different these days. I would never. And that is saying a lot because if you asked the principals of my high school what student was the hardest to deal with they would say me. They all loved me though.

 

[NAMELESS]

North Atlantic bros,how common is such behaviour up there?
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I just used that as an example so I could slide in a secret vent about my brothers that I love dearly but sometimes I don't get them.

Billionaire is a huge reach, but I think people can achieve their dreams and live comfortably. I have been debating with my daughter since she was 3 because she is determined to be a teacher. 1.) Because her value (to me) is more than a teacher's income 2.) Because young people are different these days. I would never. And that is saying a lot because if you asked the principals of my high school what student was the hardest to deal with they would say me. They all loved me though.

I was joking with the billionarie stuff. Some people do have delusional dreams. "President", "Work on Nasa" ,"Be a billionaire", "Be the new Mia khalifa/Sasha Grey", "Be Pirate King" and so on...

 

[Zemmi]

I will respond in full to you later @Logiko because I need to get back to my writing project. I do want to say one thing I do believe there are systematic problems I just believe you are wrong from where it stems from.

Someone earlier said I loved Trump or something. That is far from the truth. The only thing I love about Trump that both Democrats and Republicans hate is he's not for sale. How I would love to reach a position I didn't have a price tag. Now I enjoyed my lifestyle while he was president (not sure why I typed pregnant at first lol), Even though some find it entertaining. He would have been one of the best presidents ever with policy if they just duct-taped his mouth and took the internet from him.
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North Atlantic bros,how common is such behaviour up there?
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I was joking with the billionarie stuff. Some people do have delusional dreams. "President", "Work on Nasa" ,"Be a billionaire", "Be the new Mia khalifa/Sasha Grey", "Be Pirate King" and so on...

Like ridiculous Luffy, he doesn't realize buggy is going to pirate king.

 

[NAMELESS]

C4N means "CarrotforNakama" it was my last username. people are still calling me that out of disrespect


Saying that white people have more priviledges than racialized people and saying that black people can't do something because of their skin colors are two very different things:

- One is a racist statement
- The other is a description of an instutionalized reality

The fact that black people have less priviledges doesn't mean that they can't do the same as others. It just means that they will most likely need to do twice the effort because the system and the people composing this system will be against them.



Indeed. This is why leftists like me are usually against democrates and liberals.




That was not my statement. My statement was that Trump was the most racist, no that he made racist executive actions.. He actually didn't had a lot of time and power to do that. But since we are going there, he still did. The biggest ones being the Travel Ban/Muslim ban and the ban on the providing of critical training on race and sex discrimination on federal employee.

Overall, Trump's racist inclination is documented here
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8250541/

You see, the problem with Trump is not really what he did in term of executive, its what he purposefully enabled. And what he enable was the growth of racism and the far right white supremacist groups in all the strats of society through everything from his tweets to his public meetings to the people he hired and the people he spitted on. And right now, Trump is literally using Nazi and crypto fascist and racist rethoric to appeal to the far right masses.

Trump's history with racism is a documented fact. This is not the case with Biden.

Not saying that Biden is cool (he is not, he is supporting the Genocide in Gaza FFS) but those are not the same administrations at all.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/01/trump-black-americans-policies-433744



What you don't understand is that saying that all white people have racist biases is not a statement coming from hate, but knowledge. This observations is related to the fact that we all live in a society where white people have more priviledges and are taught that their priviledges are more legitimate than those of racialized people. (more subtly of course)



What is interesting with your example, is that you are actually demonstrating one of the problem I try to fight: Its the fact that we ask to girls to take responsibilities for two boys. This is basically a representation of patriarchy in a fraternity.

What is less interesting and borderline fallacious on the other hand with that example, is that you are equating the situation where people are being deresponsibilized since childhood and therefore lacking the sence of responsabilities (like men in heteronormative relationship) with the situation where people are being given taught that society are against them and how to counter that.

In short you are equating those two situations as if they were both deresponsibilizing when this is not the case. One CAN in SOME CASES be indeed be deresponsibilizing. But this is not the case for the other that is just the principle of equity applied to society.

For your example to be correct (and represent the reality of the world correctly) you would need to add one more parameter to the first example : prevention of action. In this case, the two boys should be unable or prevented by an exterior or interior force to do any type of actions (probably due to a physical condition) and it would be the explanation onto why the two older girls are taking care of them (even tho this would be a very terrible education system from the parents). Only here you would create an equivalence in both situation as both situation would be the representation of people being pushed down by a forces (interior - disease - or exterior - systemic racism - ) preventing them to move forward...

... But of course it would also means that the result of the situations would be highly different 30 years later, as both situation would requiere a constant exterior help for the agents to move in society and in NO WAY would this help negate the possibility for them to be accountable or responsible for their actions.


Woops, typing error, I meant "when"



Are you a billionnaire ?

not out of disrespect,peole just remember you as c4n. Just like i still call Solis his original UN.

 

[Zemmi]

One last thing before I go. I do have faith in this newer generation coming up. Seems like they are getting about tired of being told they are held back by race. I'm looking forward to seeing them move into the political realm.

 

[NAMELESS]

One last thing before I go. I do have faith in this newer generation coming up. Seems like they are getting about tired of being told they are held back by race. I'm looking forward to seeing them move into the political realm.

yep,seems kids are waking up to the left and woke bullshit too. Just the other day i heard some kids in the streets talking about how anyone that votes left is mental. thank god for the internet.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Joe Biden would literally be called far to the right in Europe . Bernie would be Centrist and yet people call him commie .
I think health should be basic right for every individual call me libtard and whatever you want it’s wild how people in USA are brainwashed to believe public healthcare is communist agenda which should be individual right .

And yeah Second Amendment Brauh for some reason I don’t understand why Civilian should have high grade Military weapon . I personally dont understand politics in USA but whatever

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Trump is an idiot but Biden increased Trump's chances.
Grab them by the p**sy round two is upon us:saden:
How do Americans always manage to destroy everything?

 

[NAMELESS]

Joe Biden would literally be called far to the right in Europe . Bernie would be Centrist and yet people call him commie .
I think health should be basic right for every individual call me libtard and whatever you want it’s wild how people in USA are brainwashed to believe public healthcare is communist agenda which should be individual right .

And yeah Second Amendment Brauh for some reason I don’t understand why Civilian should have high grade Military weapon . I personally dont understand politics in USA but whatever

You don't understand why the second ammendent is a thing? Visit Rio de Janeiro and go to a favela and you will ge your answer.
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Trump is an idiot but Biden increased Trump's chances.
Grab them by the p**sy round two is upon us:saden:
How do Americans always manage to destroy everything?

To be fair,Trump is the best thing they had in a while. The others are just clowns. Obama was a tragedy too.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

To be fair,Trump is the best thing they had in a while. The others are just clowns. Obama was a tragedy too.

:saden::saden: the USA is an illness

 

[NAMELESS]

:saden::saden: the USA is an illness

Europe isnt much better though...

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Euope isnt much better though...

The USA is a product of Europe's insanity
And so is Huezil:saden:

 

[NAMELESS]

The USA is a product of Europe's insanity
And so is Huezil:saden:

"Huezil" lol