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No it wasn't. Like never in fact. We would live in a very different society if this was the case. What happened is the twisted usage of some of the doctrine of communism as tools for authoritarian regimes.
Ok
I've heard James Bond villains deliver better speaches.
Welp, I've learned a new word tonight
Fascism is not a fixed ideology. Its an ideology that can adapt to different systems. Also important point, fascism is not just a established system. Fascism start in our heads.
If you want to see if you are a potential fascist or not, instead of looking at your liberatariannism, lets look at what you are and what you believe in... Antifascist Umberto Eco, who lived under fascism and was educated with fascism, reduced the key element sof the core principles of fascism that he called UR fascism (eternal fascism) in 14 points:
- The cult of tradition. Do find yourself defending your values, your heritage and your traditions mate ? If yes, you can check this parameter.
- The rejection of modernism. Looking at the way you act toward social sciences and progressism, I'd say you are right under the radar here. I will check this parameter for you.
- The cult of action for action. Its the notion that actions are better than thinking. Its the principle of acting because acting is what makes us live. Do you find yourself in that ? If yes, check this parameter.
- Disagreement is treason. The notion that disagreeing with your ideology would be like betraying you. Its the notion that consider that critic of the hegemony is problematic. Looking at the way you critic woke people who critic the capitalist system, I'd say that this point is also for you. Parameters checked.
- Fear of difference. Are you against intruders, migrants and overall minorities in general ? Just a question... If yes, you can check this parameter.
- Appeal to social frustration. Well you are lucky, this is someting that I've never seen you do. But the moment you start believing that - let's say for example - people who don't work are "parasite".. you can check this point.
- The obsession with a plot. This is the notion that follower of fascism must feel besieged. This must therefore be help by a form of paranoya that there is a "plot" concerning the civilisation of the follower.. Little question, do you believe that leaders of the world wants to create a negative "new world order" through leftism ? If yes, then you can check this parameters too.
- The enemy is both strong and weak. Did you ever said to yourself that the leftist ideology was a major danger of the world, but also that those people were just "pussies" or a bunch of white knights with no real and strong values ?" If yes, you can check this parameter.
- Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. In Ur fascism, there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle. If you find yourself in this affirmation, check this point.
- Contempt for the weak. Have you ever said to yourself that poor people are just weak people who are doing nothing to up their chances at life and made the wrong choices and that Billionnaire are people worthy of great respect ? If yes, that would be a form of elitism and you can therefore check this parameter.
- Everybody is educated to become a hero. Do you believe in the idea that great men shape the world ? And the more great men we have, the better the world will be ? If yes, you can check this parameter.
- Selective populism. If you that the emotional response of a selected group of citizen can be presented and accepted as the voice of the people, let's say for example if you think that the hate of leftism is shared by the entire world, well you can check this parameter.
- Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. This is the vision that the impoverished vocabulary and elementary syntax are good tool to create a better society. For example, if you think that the speeches of Donald Trump are amazing for the comprehension of society, you can check this parameter.
So, how many parameters did you checked ? If you added none to those I checked, good, you are not a potential fascist, just a far rightist a little bit lost. But if you check a majority of the point.. start asking yourself some questions.
I never throw that label mate
If you see me one day label someone "a fascist" on this forum.. be sure to check that they are still whitelisted here 24 hours later. Because I won't rest until they are nuked out of the forum one way or another. I'm not joking with fascism.
Yes you are. I demonstrated the existence of this genocide with numbers and documentation by researchers.
If you keep denying this genocide done by portuguese people (but also by others), you are a genocide denier. Simple as that. Don't make me put you in the same box as Herrera.
When we talk about human behaviors, a civilisation is not mesured by the level of technology, but by the level of humanity.
Those people builded entire nations where the land was common and shared. Those people were far more civilized than those who came to destroyed them even if they didn't have the technological advantages.
So come back to earth a little for once and stop with the colonialist mindset.
This doesn't change my argument mate :/
What those definitions explain is that sociologically gender is a social construct. Its simple as that.
And it doesn't say that there are only two gender, its say that in our society genders refer to the norm associated with the notion of being a man or a women. Which means that gender can take very different shapes. In reality there is an large quantity of what we call gender because there is a larg way of associating the norm we link with the notion of being a man or a woman with the way some people live.
Gender is a spectrum. Sometimes even a spectrum that can evolve in time. A spectrum that represent the oscillation of the norm we put on social construct relative to feminity and masculinity. Its not two fixed point, its the reflexion of the social constructs people attributed themself with.
I short, there are not two genders, but 5, 10, maybe even a hundred depending on who you are, what culture you are born into and the way you are internally evolving.
What people are confusing with gender are sexual characteristics and even then this is also not binary.
Independant press IS a form of activism.
People might have forgotten it, but journalism is not supposed to be neutral. Journalism is supposed to be the weapon of the people against those who are in power. Journalism is supposed to be a counter power. And right now... mainstream journalism are following the line of the powers : liberalism.
You can see a similar fascist incantation under the words "Work, family, patry" in France's Vichy's regim under Nazi occupation.
Ironically (not really), you will sometimes here the same words repeated by neoliberals and "centrist" in France nowadays..
I remember that when I was very little (10 or so), I loved to draw Svatikas everywhere on school tables, I didn't knew what Nazism was or why it was so bad at the time, I only knew that I loved drawing the shape. I felt robbed the day I understood I could never draw them again..
I hope one day someone will have the guts and courage to take back this symbol out of fascist's hands.
Not really no.
Ok
I've heard James Bond villains deliver better speaches.
Welp, I've learned a new word tonight
Fascism is not a fixed ideology. Its an ideology that can adapt to different systems. Also important point, fascism is not just a established system. Fascism start in our heads.
If you want to see if you are a potential fascist or not, instead of looking at your liberatariannism, lets look at what you are and what you believe in... Antifascist Umberto Eco, who lived under fascism and was educated with fascism, reduced the key element sof the core principles of fascism that he called UR fascism (eternal fascism) in 14 points:
- The cult of tradition. Do find yourself defending your values, your heritage and your traditions mate ? If yes, you can check this parameter.
- The rejection of modernism. Looking at the way you act toward social sciences and progressism, I'd say you are right under the radar here. I will check this parameter for you.
- The cult of action for action. Its the notion that actions are better than thinking. Its the principle of acting because acting is what makes us live. Do you find yourself in that ? If yes, check this parameter.
- Disagreement is treason. The notion that disagreeing with your ideology would be like betraying you. Its the notion that consider that critic of the hegemony is problematic. Looking at the way you critic woke people who critic the capitalist system, I'd say that this point is also for you. Parameters checked.
- Fear of difference. Are you against intruders, migrants and overall minorities in general ? Just a question... If yes, you can check this parameter.
- Appeal to social frustration. Well you are lucky, this is someting that I've never seen you do. But the moment you start believing that - let's say for example - people who don't work are "parasite".. you can check this point.
- The obsession with a plot. This is the notion that follower of fascism must feel besieged. This must therefore be help by a form of paranoya that there is a "plot" concerning the civilisation of the follower.. Little question, do you believe that leaders of the world wants to create a negative "new world order" through leftism ? If yes, then you can check this parameters too.
- The enemy is both strong and weak. Did you ever said to yourself that the leftist ideology was a major danger of the world, but also that those people were just "pussies" or a bunch of white knights with no real and strong values ?" If yes, you can check this parameter.
- Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. In Ur fascism, there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle. If you find yourself in this affirmation, check this point.
- Contempt for the weak. Have you ever said to yourself that poor people are just weak people who are doing nothing to up their chances at life and made the wrong choices and that Billionnaire are people worthy of great respect ? If yes, that would be a form of elitism and you can therefore check this parameter.
- Everybody is educated to become a hero. Do you believe in the idea that great men shape the world ? And the more great men we have, the better the world will be ? If yes, you can check this parameter.
- Selective populism. If you that the emotional response of a selected group of citizen can be presented and accepted as the voice of the people, let's say for example if you think that the hate of leftism is shared by the entire world, well you can check this parameter.
- Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. This is the vision that the impoverished vocabulary and elementary syntax are good tool to create a better society. For example, if you think that the speeches of Donald Trump are amazing for the comprehension of society, you can check this parameter.
So, how many parameters did you checked ? If you added none to those I checked, good, you are not a potential fascist, just a far rightist a little bit lost. But if you check a majority of the point.. start asking yourself some questions.
I never throw that label mate
If you see me one day label someone "a fascist" on this forum.. be sure to check that they are still whitelisted here 24 hours later. Because I won't rest until they are nuked out of the forum one way or another. I'm not joking with fascism.
Yes you are. I demonstrated the existence of this genocide with numbers and documentation by researchers.
If you keep denying this genocide done by portuguese people (but also by others), you are a genocide denier. Simple as that. Don't make me put you in the same box as Herrera.
When we talk about human behaviors, a civilisation is not mesured by the level of technology, but by the level of humanity.
Those people builded entire nations where the land was common and shared. Those people were far more civilized than those who came to destroyed them even if they didn't have the technological advantages.
So come back to earth a little for once and stop with the colonialist mindset.
This doesn't change my argument mate :/
What those definitions explain is that sociologically gender is a social construct. Its simple as that.
And it doesn't say that there are only two gender, its say that in our society genders refer to the norm associated with the notion of being a man or a women. Which means that gender can take very different shapes. In reality there is an large quantity of what we call gender because there is a larg way of associating the norm we link with the notion of being a man or a woman with the way some people live.
Gender is a spectrum. Sometimes even a spectrum that can evolve in time. A spectrum that represent the oscillation of the norm we put on social construct relative to feminity and masculinity. Its not two fixed point, its the reflexion of the social constructs people attributed themself with.
I short, there are not two genders, but 5, 10, maybe even a hundred depending on who you are, what culture you are born into and the way you are internally evolving.
What people are confusing with gender are sexual characteristics and even then this is also not binary.
Independant press IS a form of activism.
People might have forgotten it, but journalism is not supposed to be neutral. Journalism is supposed to be the weapon of the people against those who are in power. Journalism is supposed to be a counter power. And right now... mainstream journalism are following the line of the powers : liberalism.
You can see a similar fascist incantation under the words "Work, family, patry" in France's Vichy's regim under Nazi occupation.
Ironically (not really), you will sometimes here the same words repeated by neoliberals and "centrist" in France nowadays..
I remember that when I was very little (10 or so), I loved to draw Svatikas everywhere on school tables, I didn't knew what Nazism was or why it was so bad at the time, I only knew that I loved drawing the shape. I felt robbed the day I understood I could never draw them again..
I hope one day someone will have the guts and courage to take back this symbol out of fascist's hands.
Not really no.
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you keep baiting,making strawmans and dodging stuff. Am i really the one that is desperate?
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There aren't and that is the problem. There shouldn't be. The poles think nazi=facist=communist and i agree with that. The US should have invaded Russia after they were done with Hitler,but because they didn't,we now have to deal with communist all over the place.
Bro I've been as thorough as humanly possible 
You're just in your feelings cause you can't get over your personal biases and hold a principled stance even if you life depended on it. Stop projecting my guy, I'm not the one digging up messages from a year ago, calling other users to defend me, and bitchting to the mods cause they don't like me. It's beyond pathetic, and hilarious.
You're just in your feelings cause you can't get over your personal biases and hold a principled stance even if you life depended on it. Stop projecting my guy, I'm not the one digging up messages from a year ago, calling other users to defend me, and bitchting to the mods cause they don't like me. It's beyond pathetic, and hilarious.
My point was you can have democracy without communism being legal. You keep dodging my arguments.
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Will you prove that taking out communism party of the election game is anti-democratic or will you keep dodging?
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Bro I've been as thorough as humanly possible
You're just in your feelings cause you can't get over your personal biases and hold a principled stance even if you life depended on it. Stop projecting my guy, I'm not the one digging up messages from a year ago, calling other users to defend me, and bitchting to the mods cause they don't like me. It's beyond pathetic, and hilarious.
You're just in your feelings cause you can't get over your personal biases and hold a principled stance even if you life depended on it. Stop projecting my guy, I'm not the one digging up messages from a year ago, calling other users to defend me, and bitchting to the mods cause they don't like me. It's beyond pathetic, and hilarious.
Bro I've been as thorough as humanly possible
You're just in your feelings cause you can't get over your personal biases and hold a principled stance even if you life depended on it. Stop projecting my guy, I'm not the one digging up messages from a year ago, calling other users to defend me, and bitchting to the mods cause they don't like me. It's beyond pathetic, and hilarious.
You're just in your feelings cause you can't get over your personal biases and hold a principled stance even if you life depended on it. Stop projecting my guy, I'm not the one digging up messages from a year ago, calling other users to defend me, and bitchting to the mods cause they don't like me. It's beyond pathetic, and hilarious.
LMAO! I've refuted you so hard to the point you've embarrassed yourself so thoroughly by making stuff up, advocating for state violence, calling everything you don't agree with a globalist plot that's out to get you, and being so unbelievably cringe no single user is willing to defend you. You can't make this shit up. You're a weird one for sure.
Its restricted to call out for Nazism and Fascism in most of the world,because they are authoritarian regimes. Guess what communism is?An authoritarian regime. If nazism and facism are banned,so should be communism,because it isn't any better than those. In fact,its way worse and history has proven this. Good afternoon,i need to log off.
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You didn't refute shit. We didn't even have a debate. We were shit posting at each other.
All i'm saying that you will waste your time. im not reading your posts or debating you.
yea,Poland has the PZPR(or PPR dunno),but they are a meme,more like social democrats than hardcore commies,they aren't out there to go after conservative values or subvert society(at least not yet):
“The goal of the Polish Worker's Party is to represent the interests of the working class… It doesn't matter if you're conservative or progressive, if you're LGBT or profess traditional values. Upon joining the party, all matters unrelated to class are left outside the doors… For us, the only important thing is which side are you on — that of the rich elites or that of ordinary people?”
They leader doesn't even live in Poland.
Your chart just proves my point. Very few places ban communist parties. Places like China and Russia don't have multiple commie parties either,cause you know... they have been killing each other for decades for hegemony. Commies are great at killing themselves. I literally posted the article of the polish constitution here. Whatever socialism/communist party they have in Poland is a meme and it isn't a full blown marxist party,otherwise it wouldn't exist.
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Nazism and Fascism is prohibited in most of the world. I will repeat myself again one last since you have reading comprehension problems. Nazism=facism=communism are all authoritarian regimes and should be banned. The Poles already have such legislation going on in their country for example. I didn't say communism was illegal in the world,i said it should be. Just like nazism and fascism.
All i'm saying that you will waste your time. im not reading your posts or debating you.
These ideologies are always defeated in the polls. But as I said, it's not ilegal in spain or in most of the world.
You make shit up all the time. Poland has a tiny communist party who has no members elected to public office. You're so dishonest for the sake of your own narrative lmao.
You make shit up all the time. Poland has a tiny communist party who has no members elected to public office. You're so dishonest for the sake of your own narrative lmao.
“The goal of the Polish Worker's Party is to represent the interests of the working class… It doesn't matter if you're conservative or progressive, if you're LGBT or profess traditional values. Upon joining the party, all matters unrelated to class are left outside the doors… For us, the only important thing is which side are you on — that of the rich elites or that of ordinary people?”
They leader doesn't even live in Poland.
Your chart just proves my point. Very few places ban communist parties. Places like China and Russia don't have multiple commie parties either,cause you know... they have been killing each other for decades for hegemony. Commies are great at killing themselves. I literally posted the article of the polish constitution here. Whatever socialism/communist party they have in Poland is a meme and it isn't a full blown marxist party,otherwise it wouldn't exist.
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Nazism and Fascism is prohibited in most of the world. I will repeat myself again one last since you have reading comprehension problems. Nazism=facism=communism are all authoritarian regimes and should be banned. The Poles already have such legislation going on in their country for example. I didn't say communism was illegal in the world,i said it should be. Just like nazism and fascism.
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I already explained my points on this. I made a statement about homosexuals as a whole and i didn't mean as a personal insult to anyone. The guy just took things personal. I don't even think that might be case anymore,i need to read more about this. and the medical consesus stuff was just me pointing out the fact that there was no science involved with shift back in the day,it was due to politics. Militants interfering with medical and scientifical issues again.
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Its fair game. To each his own,i see communism as a huge scam and a mafia like cult.
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Its fair game. To each his own,i see communism as a huge scam and a mafia like cult.
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sex is binary, get over it.
but what is non-binary then? is it still a gender because its not based in gender roles of feminine or masculine traits?
because of the above i was under the impression that gender nowadays isnt linked to gender roles anymore, because gender identities go well beyond gender roles.
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ye i really like the symbol. i have this tattoo idea of a cross with a pentagram, but like each other reversed to the other. so the christian cross together with the satanic pentagram, or the christian pentagram with the antichristian cross. and the swastika can hold the meaning of harmony of opposites, and i would love to add that to the tattoo. bummer
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well you cant advocate for unconstitutional shit around here in germany for example. parties can get banned over that kinda shit. but well, i can live with that being a flawed democracy i guess
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but you are leaning towards homosexuality being a mental disorder or what?
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ye well but as i said, for me freedom of speech ends with the call for violence. and i fucking hate violence. self defense is alright, but thats kinda it
but what is non-binary then? is it still a gender because its not based in gender roles of feminine or masculine traits?
because of the above i was under the impression that gender nowadays isnt linked to gender roles anymore, because gender identities go well beyond gender roles.
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ye i really like the symbol. i have this tattoo idea of a cross with a pentagram, but like each other reversed to the other. so the christian cross together with the satanic pentagram, or the christian pentagram with the antichristian cross. and the swastika can hold the meaning of harmony of opposites, and i would love to add that to the tattoo. bummer
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well you cant advocate for unconstitutional shit around here in germany for example. parties can get banned over that kinda shit. but well, i can live with that being a flawed democracy i guess
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but you are leaning towards homosexuality being a mental disorder or what?
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ye well but as i said, for me freedom of speech ends with the call for violence. and i fucking hate violence. self defense is alright, but thats kinda it
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These two are debatable
Alt right bunnies are notoriously unknowledgeable about tradition and history ,they cherry pick what fits their agenda and call the rest fake news.
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This,too,is debatable
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Yes that's legit tragic. The swastika in its various forms has been a positive symbol for millennia and was widespread in almost every continent minus Australia and sub sahara Africa.
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THIS
The West is currently in a downward spiral of de civilisation
Alt right bunnies are notoriously unknowledgeable about tradition and history ,they cherry pick what fits their agenda and call the rest fake news.
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This,too,is debatable
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Yes that's legit tragic. The swastika in its various forms has been a positive symbol for millennia and was widespread in almost every continent minus Australia and sub sahara Africa.
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THIS
The West is currently in a downward spiral of de civilisation
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Don't worry about my time.
No. Communism historically is opposed to fascism and fascist values. Sorry mate.
Let's assume it is. How do you explain intersex people ?
Non binary people are people who don't identify in the normative man or woman gender norms. If you prefer, non binary people are kind of the center of the gender spectrum
- Men that adopt all the masculine norms are on one side
- Women that adopt all the feminine norms are on the other side
- Non binary people are in the center and can sometimes move or be more flexible on the gender spectrum depending on their expression like gender fluid
Those are the big three group of gender expression and people have various gender expression in between
You need to understand the difference between "gender expression" and "gender role".
- "Gender expression" are the person's behaviors associated with their gender expression (feminine/masculine/non binary) (exemple, wearing high heels and consider this an aspect of virility for a man)...
- "Gender roles" are the expected expressions of the specificic man and women gender in our societies (for example, men are expected to be strong and never cry and women are expected to be quiet and soft)
No. those are parameter that all fascism have in common and that are needed for fascism to rise. But its more the "idea" of tradition that excite them.
Again, fascism will always have this notion.
In fact that's something that is perfectly illustrated in Story depicting fascism and especially Star Wars (In Andor specifically). You will see the executives both explaining how problematic the rebels are and at the same time explaining how they can be crushed by a simple finger because of their weakness.
But that's what Andor specifically recognize as the notion that makes fascism so weak as a system. Fascist and crypto fascist are so focused on maintaining the illusion of their strenght and their morality on a big scale that they will eventually underestimate their enemies and their will.
No. Communism historically is opposed to fascism and fascist values. Sorry mate.
Let's assume it is. How do you explain intersex people ?
Non binary people are people who don't identify in the normative man or woman gender norms. If you prefer, non binary people are kind of the center of the gender spectrum
- Men that adopt all the masculine norms are on one side
- Women that adopt all the feminine norms are on the other side
- Non binary people are in the center and can sometimes move or be more flexible on the gender spectrum depending on their expression like gender fluid
Those are the big three group of gender expression and people have various gender expression in between
You need to understand the difference between "gender expression" and "gender role".
- "Gender expression" are the person's behaviors associated with their gender expression (feminine/masculine/non binary) (exemple, wearing high heels and consider this an aspect of virility for a man)...
- "Gender roles" are the expected expressions of the specificic man and women gender in our societies (for example, men are expected to be strong and never cry and women are expected to be quiet and soft)
No. those are parameter that all fascism have in common and that are needed for fascism to rise. But its more the "idea" of tradition that excite them.
Again, fascism will always have this notion.
In fact that's something that is perfectly illustrated in Story depicting fascism and especially Star Wars (In Andor specifically). You will see the executives both explaining how problematic the rebels are and at the same time explaining how they can be crushed by a simple finger because of their weakness.
But that's what Andor specifically recognize as the notion that makes fascism so weak as a system. Fascist and crypto fascist are so focused on maintaining the illusion of their strenght and their morality on a big scale that they will eventually underestimate their enemies and their will.
For us, free speech is limited by threats of violence and doxing. Slander and libel is extremely hard to prove so we don't usually count those. My point is, my guy here is so blinded by his hatred of communism he works backwards from his conclusion. Meaning he already made up his mind based on his feelings without actually looking at the facts and the legal side of things. All I'm saying is people have a right to believe and exercise their beliefs as long as they don't incite violence. This idiot clearly doesn't understand that and will go against his suposed belief in freedom if it means killing commies or whatever.
I already said i was talking people like Putin,Lula,Xi jiPing and Fat Kim. You guys are just bozos with no power whatsoever,therefore you havent committed any crimes. But i do think people that guy around preching Marx distopia should get jail time just like it happens with Nazis around here. Of course,you will spin it as me talking about killing regular people. Every post of yours you mention intelectual honesty and you always twists the shit i say in a way to me make look bad.