Controversial General Political Discussion

[Bisoromi Bear]

I was at this jewish event and I was talking to this guy

He was a ukrainian jew.

And we were talking about the history of Ukraine and how Ukraine has always been under the foot of Russia. Not only now but during the soviet union. Yet only a bit later in the conversation, he talked about how he was pro israel.

I don't get how some people hold literally contradictory views so long as its in their benefit. Russia is doing literally the same thing to Ukraine that Israel is doing to Palestine. With literally the exact same justification.
Russia: We have a historical right to Ukraine because of the soviet union, the kievan rus, etc.
Israel: We have a historical right to the west bank because of judaea and samaria

Russia: We need to invade Ukraine because they are nazis
Israel: We need to obliterate gaza because they are nazis
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But his position wasn't particularly new. This is the position the entire west has taken.

We support Ukraine because its in our interests.
We support Israel because its also supposedly in our interests.

Absolutely zero recognition of basic morality.

Joe Biden accused Russia of doing genocide in Ukraine but G-d forbid anyone say the same for Israel.

Fundamentally there are 2 types of people: those who condemn oppression and conquest on one hand, and on the other hand those who are perfectly fine with oppression and conquest as long as they're not on the receiving end.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Fundamentally there are 2 types of people: those who condemn oppression and conquest on one hand, and on the other hand those who are perfectly fine with oppression and conquest as long as they're not on the receiving end.

Unfortunately I feel like most people fall into the latter

 

[Roo]

Russia: We need to invade Ukraine because they are nazis
Israel: We need to obliterate gaza because they are nazis

you do realize that is a very fundamental difference right lol

 

[Logiko]

you do realize that is a very fundamental difference right lol

Indeed. In one case people have a lot of ressources, have an army, tanks and big military equipements to fight the oppressor and the support of the international community and in the other people are starving, have nothing but rockets/tunnels and are only supported by the east.

There is indeed a difference

 

[Monkey D Theories]

you do realize that is a very fundamental difference right lol

What’s the difference?

in practice israel and Russia are doing the same thing

Committing war crimes and hurting innocent people in order to expand/control their empire

 

[Roo]

What’s the difference?

in practice israel and Russia are doing the same thing

Committing war crimes and hurting innocent people in order to expand/control their empire

You literally typed it out. It is very different to invade the "nazis" than to counter attack them.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

You literally typed it out. It is very different to invade the "nazis" than to counter attack them.

It’s only a counter attack if you pretend like history began on October 7th

There were months of instigation on Israel’s part that led to October 7th. Specifically regarding Israel’s treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank.

 

[Roo]

It’s only a counter attack if you pretend like history began on October 7th

There were months of instigation on Israel’s part that led to October 7th. Specifically regarding Israel’s treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank.

and there's also months of palestinian instigating israel as well, let's not act like hamas doesn't send rockets daily lol

the more we type the more different it gets you know. It's a pretty easy rationalization to make

 

[Logiko]

and there's also months of palestinian instigating israel as well, let's not act like hamas doesn't send rockets daily lol

the more we type the more different it gets you know. It's a pretty easy rationalization to make

Or what about talking about the F. colonization that has been happening for decade or the DAILY oppression of Palestinians ?

What about searching for the real reason behind this conflict ? hm ?

 

[Roo]

Or what about talking about the F. colonization that has been happening for decade or the DAILY oppression of Palestinians ?

What about searching for the real reason behind this conflict ? hm ?

Nobody cares what you say, stop virtue signaling and speak like a human being and not an activist

 

[Logiko]

Nobody cares what you say, stop virtue signaling and speak like a human being and not an activist

Reminding you an historical fact that you are ignoring is not virtue signaling Einstein. And you seems to care enough to reply.

But it seems like you are taking your side.. and look at that ! A problem with militantism ? How peculiar...

 

[Roo]

Reminding you an historical fact that you are ignoring is not virtue signaling Einstein. And you seems to care enough to reply.

But it seems like you are taking your side.. and look at that ! A problem with militantism ? How peculiar...

yes using "F." and capitalizing "daily" is performative af aka virtue signaling

nowhere in my post do I even hint at taking a side. We're only speaking about the false equivalency of ukraine and palestine. It's like comparing the Holodomor and holocaust, just because I can distinguish the difference between the two doesn't mean I condone one over the other. Use your brain for more than virtue signaling

 

[Monkey D Theories]

and there's also months of palestinian instigating israel as well, let's not act like hamas doesn't send rockets daily lol

the more we type the more different it gets you know. It's a pretty easy rationalization to make

Israel is completely blockading Gaza

The people of Gaza used to live throughout the land of Palestine. But the israel independence war pushed them into Gaza.

They’ve been under occupation ever since the 6 day war.

 

[Roo]

Israel is completely blockading Gaza

yeah because Gaza is sending rockets to them daily lol.

The people of Gaza used to live throughout the land of Palestine. But the israel independence war pushed them into Gaza.

They’ve been under occupation ever since the 6 day war.

You do realize this still makes it way different than Ukraine tho right? and they were also under occupation since before then. Jordan and Egypt were the rulers of the west bank and gaza

 

[Logiko]

yes using "F." and capitalizing "daily" is performative af aka virtue signaling

Hmm.. no. Just an emphazis. To remind people about the gravity of the fact.

nowhere in my post do I even hint at taking a side.

and there's also months of palestinian instigating israel as well, let's not act like hamas doesn't send rockets daily lol

This is the rethoric of the propaganda of Israel and its supporters. This type of assertion - when delivered in response to the oppression of Israel - is made to completely invisibilize the colonization of Palestine and the oppression of Palestinian by Israel.
So yes, you do are taking a side.

 

[Roo]

This is the rethoric of the propaganda of Israel and its supporters. This type of assertion - when delivered in response to the oppression of Israel - is made to completely invisibilize the colonization of Palestine and the oppression of Palestinian by Israel.
So yes, you do are taking a side.

"Nazis say water is wet, therefore you're a nazi if you say water is wet"

 

[Logiko]

Jordan and Egypt were the rulers of the west bank and gaza

And this is again, Israelian propaganda. As if people there were not evicted from there house.

Palestinian were a nation. They were colonized and oppressed, period.

Any excuses of that are :

- Colonization apologism
- War crime apologism

"Nazis say water is wet, therefore you're a nazi if you say water is wet"

Well.. it doesn't really good when you are repeating the propaganda of a far right and crypto fascist government...

 

[Roo]

And this is again, Israelian propaganda. As if people there were not evicted from there house.

Palestinian were a nation. They were colonized and oppressed, period.

this is historically untrue tho

- Colonization apologism
- War crime apologism



Well.. it doesn't really good when you are repeating the propaganda of a far right and crypto fascist government...

You're out here lying lol. I am just stating facts.

if anybody is spreading propaganda its you bro

 

[Logiko]

this is historically untrue tho

No. Those are the facts. But keep your justification of colonization and oppression if you want, this only confirms what I said.
You are taking a side. The side of the oppressor.

You're out here lying lol. I am just stating facts.

if anybody is spreading propaganda its you bro

Sure, keep the denial bro

 

[Roo]

No. Those are the facts. But keep your justification of colonization and oppression if you want, this only confirms what I said.
You are taking a side. The side of the oppressor.


Sure, keep the denial bro

so when was palestine a nation?