Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

"One dude" literally one of the leaders of the PLO. Probably somebody I'll listen to over you, specially when it comes to definitions.

Yup, "one" dude.

Palestine ever being a nation is ahistorical

No, it an historical fact and your propaganda will not change that mate, I'm sorry. Also be careful not to confuse the term nation with the term state. Also, the existence of a nation doesn't necessaraly mean that said Nation was self ruling.

But EVEN if it wasn't the case, which is not, that wouldn't even justify colonization since people were still put out of their homes, killed and systematically oppressed.

The origin of the problem is therefore the British, the UN AND Israel who followed up on the colonization, not Palestinian who fought against the oppression.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

a historical palestinian identity is actually something that is argued upon by historian, seeing how "palestine" was more of a semi state of the ottoman which included parts of syria and jordan

That's kinda how all apologists of cultural eradication argue. The likes of "there was never Ukraine, Russia and Ukraine have always be one so it's ok to conquer their asses"

 

[Roo]

Yup, "one" dude.

Yeah, a contemporary. You know what historians use to determine the validity of historical events.

You're also one dude. Difference is he was actually in the thick of everything and was a prominent leader. You on the other hand just learned of the I/P conflict the other day.

No, it an historical fact and your propaganda will not change that mate, I'm sorry. Also be careful not to confuse the term nation with the term state. Also, the existence of a nation doesn't necessaraly mean that said Nation was self ruling.

if it's a historical fact why haven't you provided any proof?

But EVEN if it wasn't the case, which is not, that wouldn't even justify colonization since people were still put out of their homes, killed and systematically oppressed.

The origin of the problem is therefore the British, the UN AND Israel who followed up on the colonization, not Palestinian who fought against the oppression.

LMAO are you schizophrenic or something?

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That's kinda how all apologists of cultural eradication argue. The likes of "there was never Ukraine, Russia and Ukraine have always be one so it's ok to conquer their asses"

I mocked C4N for using this retarded argument and I'll mock you for it too. Just because bad people say water is wet, doesn't mean it isn't true.
You have to have a more nuance base of beliefs other than "bad guys say x bad so x bad"

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I mocked C4N for using this retarded argument and I'll mock you for it too. Just because bad people say water is wet, doesn't mean it isn't true.
You have to have a more nuance base of beliefs other than "bad guys say x bad so x bad"

Nah man, this kinda argument belongs right in the "you are from WHERE? Show me your country on the map then. What it can't be found on a map? Then it doesn't exist wahahaha you have no country loser your identity doesn't exist" category

 

[Roo]

Nah man, this kinda argument belongs right in the "you are from WHERE? Show me your country on the map then. What it can't be found on a map? Then it doesn't exist wahahaha you have no country loser your identity doesn't exist" category

brain dead

 

[Logiko]

Yeah, a contemporary. You know what historians use to determine the validity of historical events.

You're also one dude. Difference is he was actually in the thick of everything and was a prominent leader. You on the other hand just learned of the I/P conflict the other day.

Mate, Historian are not relying only on the quotes of one dude. Time to wake up, reality's calling.

You on the other hand just learned of the I/P conflict the other day.

You means 18-20 years ago and taking side since 15 ? Yeah, "the other day", you are ridiculous x)

if it's a historical fact why haven't you provided any proof?

I'm not the one who has to do it mate. Palestinian are calling themself a nation, so its YOU who need to provide the proof that such didn't existed prior to the colonization. You have the burden of proof mate. It you who is trying to justify colonization here, not me.

LMAO are you schizophrenic or something?

As if justifying colonization wasn't bad enough for you, you need to add psychophobia on that..

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

As if justifying colonization wasn't bad enough for you

It's not like he hasn't done it before

 

[Roo]

Mate, Historian are not relying only on the quotes of one dude. Time to wake up, reality's calling.

actually, they do when the proof is scarce. In this case tho there's more proof an allied arab identity than a palestinian until recently.

You means 18-20 years ago and taking side since 15 ? Yeah, "the other day", you are ridiculous x)

your lack of knowledge says otherwise

I'm not the one who has to do it mate. Palestinian are calling themself a nation, so its YOU who need to provide the proof that such didn't existed prior to the colonization. You have the burden of proof mate. It you who is trying to justify colonization here, not me.

If modern day palestinians say the moon is made of cheese would you believe them? Show me proof of there being a palestinian identity prior to the fact.

As if justifying colonization wasn't bad enough for you, you need to add psychophobia on that..

I am psychophobic or whatever the fuck you mean lmao

 

[Peroroncino]

Why did the dinosaur cross the road?
Because chickens didn’t exist yet.

 

[Logiko]

actually, they do when the proof is scarce. In this case tho there's more proof an allied arab identity than a palestinian until recently.

Then you will need more evidences than a quote.

your lack of knowledge says otherwise

Sayin the guy justifying colonization.. lol

If modern day palestinians say the moon is made of cheese would you believe them? Show me proof of there being a palestinian identity prior to the fact.

I'm talking about current Palestinian here mate. And yes, if modern day Palestinian are calling themself a nation, they are a nation. Basic principle of autodetermination.

As for the Palestinian nationalism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_nationalism

I am psychophobic or whatever the fuck you mean lmao

yeah ...

 

[Roo]

Sayin the guy justifying colonization.. lol

Yes i literally justify colonization, racism, and genocide.

What else you want to throw around? Psycophobia? I am pro that 100%.

I'm talking about current Palestinian here mate. And yes, if modern day Palestinian are calling themself a nation, they are a nation. Basic principle of autodetermination.

Then why the fuck do you jump into a conversation about historical context? and continue to reply when I make it clear it's about historical palestine?

As for the Palestinian nationalism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_nationalism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_nationalism

Originally formed in the early 20th century in opposition to Zionism, Palestinian nationalism later internationalized and attached itself to other ideologies

literally in the second sentence LMAO

also

Khalidi describes the Arab population of British Mandatory Palestine as having "overlapping identities", with some or many expressing loyalties to villages, regions, a projected nation of Palestine, an alternative of inclusion in a Greater Syria, an Arab national project, as well as to Islam.[12] He writes that, "local patriotism could not yet be described as nation-state nationalism

oh gee, it's almost as if it's literally what i've said earlier.

 

[Logiko]

Yes i literally justify colonization, racism, and genocide.

What else you want to throw around? Psycophobia? I am pro that 100%.

Yes, its not a surprise, don't worry

Then why the fuck do you jump into a conversation about historical context? and continue to reply when I make it clear it's about historical palestine?

Because here we are talking about actual Palestinian losing there actual home to an actual colonizing and oppressive crypto fascist regime.

literally in the second sentence LMAO

also

Which doesn't really negate what I said mate.
While you are right, the nationalism rose only in reaction to Zionism, it did rose, which means that by that point, there was a nation colonized.

But in anycase, using that to justify the colonization process and deny the legitimation of the anti-colonial revolt is absolute nonsense.

 

[Uncle Van]

Russia invaded Ukriane because they didn't want Ukraine to join NATO aka having enemy forces on their borders. American went through the same thing with the Cuban Missle Crisis and almost started a war. Russia says they're fighting Nazis as propaganda.

Israel has been attempting ethnic cleansing of Palestine for almost a century, and Palestine retaliation had been increasing in violence because peaceful methods wasn't working. The Oct 7 is an excuse to claim they're fighting Nazis as propaganda.

 

[Natalija]

Russia invaded Ukriane because they didn't want Ukraine to join NATO aka having enemy forces on their borders. American went through the same thing with the Cuban Missle Crisis and almost started a war. Russia says they're fighting Nazis as propaganda.

Israel has been attempting ethnic cleansing of Palestine for almost a century, and Palestine retaliation had been increasing in violence because peaceful methods wasn't working. The Oct 7 is an excuse to claim they're fighting Nazis as propaganda.

Nah, Russia was creeping up on Ukraine for a long time. NATO thing is just an excuse people give it

 

[Uncle Van]

Nah, Russia was creeping up on Ukraine for a long time. NATO thing is just an excuse people give it

I'm aware the Ukraine to Russia is what Taiwan is to China, but the NATO thing is what pushed Russia to invade at the time.

 

[Natalija]

I'm aware the Ukraine to Russia is what Taiwan is to China, but the NATO thing is what pushed Russia to invade at the time.

They were just waiting for “cause”, but the idea of invading Ukraine was in motion before Crimea. Crimea was just the first step, and NATO entrance for Ukraine wasn’t even a thing at the time. You can believe bullshit reasons like NATO or Nazis, but they just wanna get that land and make a good business out of war ☠️

 

[Uncle Van]

They were just waiting for “cause”, but the idea of invading Ukraine was in motion before Crimea. Crimea was just the first step, and NATO entrance for Ukraine wasn’t even a thing at the time. You can believe bullshit reasons like NATO or Nazis, but they just wanna get that land and make a good business out of war ☠️

Obviously. That's why I mentioned China-Taiwan and Israel-Palestine. Russia wanted Ukraine ever since they broke off. NATO forced Russia to do it earlier than planned.

It's no different from Oct 7 attack on Isreal giving them an excuse to further push their century long ethnic cleansing.

 

[Natalija]

Obviously. That's why I mentioned China-Taiwan and Israel-Palestine. Russia wanted Ukraine ever since they broke off. NATO forced Russia to do it earlier than planned.

It's no different from Oct 7 attack on Isreal giving them an excuse to further push their century long ethnic cleansing.

Is it really “earlier” loooool? It was the next logical step after Crimea, in fact Putin’s nonsense was “I will attack Ukraine now in advance, cause I don’t want NATO coming there and taking back Crimea by force” - the place they already took by force 😂

My point is it’s not earlier than planned, because Crimea was annexed without any NATO cause.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Every national identity is made up. Israelis didn’t exist before the 1940s

 

[Roo]

Is it really “earlier” loooool? It was the next logical step after Crimea, in fact Putin’s nonsense was “I will attack Ukraine now in advance, cause I don’t want NATO coming there and taking back Crimea by force” - the place they already took by force 😂

My point is it’s not earlier than planned, because Crimea was annexed without any NATO cause.

Yeah Russia has been creeping on Ukraine since forever. NATO or not Putin has made it clear he wants to recreate the Soviet Union