Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

What kind of logic is that

Accelerationnism. This is a growing tendancy on the left and liberals (this is literally what Macron had in mind when his dissolved the french assemblee) he thought that the far right will ridiculize themselves once in power.

The people's republic of China is a very Democratic nation.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Accelerationnism. This is a growing tendancy on the left and liberals (this is literally what Macron had in mind when his dissolved the french assemblee) he thought that the far right will ridiculize themselves once in power.

It was a rhetorical question. And it's not going to work. Once the far right is in power and destroys society their loyal and blind followers are still finding ways to somehow blame the left, immigrants or trans people. Or aliens, the Jews, you name them.

 

[Logiko]

It was a rhetorical question. And it's not going to work. Once the far right is in power and destroys society their loyal and blind followers are still finding ways to somehow blame the left, immigrants or trans people. Or aliens, the Jews, you name them.

Yup

 

[Ravagerblade]

"Illegals"


Naming people, whose only option is to fly away from their home "illegals" (not even "migrants") says everything about the way you value life. You are literally reducing and dehumanizing people to their illegal status. This is quite despicable.

How many Countries are in the World? Why Should only US be the only place. Dehumanizing them? No I'm calling a Rock a Rock, A stump a Stump, What they are. Coming into the country without doing it Legally. That's the issue. You are quite Despicable by trying to Legitimize it. Face it, You don't have much to stand on and that's your whole argument.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Why Should only US be the only place. Dehumanizing them? No I'm calling a Rock a Rock, A stump a Stump, What they are. Coming into the country without doing it Legally. That's the issue.

 

[Ravagerblade]

You're trying so hard. But yet it fails you.

 

[Logiko]

How many Countries are in the World? Why Should only US be the only place. Dehumanizing them?

The US are not special, they are simply the country where those people have a chance. Where do you want them to go ? South ? Where they will be treated even worst and where insecurity is high level ?

No I'm calling a Rock a Rock, A stump a Stump, What they are.

What you are doing is dehumanization

Coming into the country without doing it Legally. That's the issue.

Nop

You are quite Despicable by trying to Legitimize it.

Sure

Face it, You don't have much to stand on and that's your whole argument.

The entire human species's history. But hey. you have hate on your side so...

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

You're trying so hard. But yet it fails you.

What does this sentence mean oh great patriotic American? [automerge]1719957968[/automerge]

I am right-wing (mostly) and disagree with a lot of the opinions/things democrats have, yet, if I was american I'd vote for biden.

Because->

Y'all gotta stop with this Pro Trump/Anti-Trump rhetoric as if it would make a difference. The Democrats and Republicans are both right wing parties under a neoliberal-capitalistic economy. The Democrats are center-right to right wing, the Republicans right wing to far right, both under the payroll of corporations and foreign nations. America has been creeping towards Facism as that's the natural destination given the political structure. Republicans push us towards it at 100Mph. Democrats whole gimmick is that they're "not the Republicans" and the lesser of two evils, pushing us towards fascism at 80Mph instead. The Democrats literally fund far right candidates to make themselves look better as once again, being the "better" option is their whole gimmick. Sometimes that strategy backfires like with Donald Trump.

 

[Natalija]

All of those reasons (illegal immigration, gas prices, abortion) are not worth it to give up democracy for. Even if you 100% agree with project 2025, would you give up democracy to own the libs? fascism?

This is not like the people crying in 2016, this is actually serious now. What the SCOTUS has been doing lately is crazy. it's not the end of the world yet, but it's hanging by a thread.

US is a constitutional republic, but it's also a democracy. It being a republic does not mean it's not also democratic. You're arguing stupid semantics.
I am right-wing (mostly) and disagree with a lot of the opinions/things democrats have, yet, if I was american I'd vote for biden. Even if I agree with a party perfectly, I can't vote for them if they'll go against democracy.

Who's going against democracy?

 

[Natalija]

SCOTUS, Trump, the republican party, Project 2025

In what instance? Cause the Republicans had their term before this, democracy seems intact. Half of US history was run by both parties, so I fail to see where the fascist accusations come from.

 

[Natalija]

Project 2025 IS trash

 

[Uncle Van]

America is supposed to be a democracy, but isn't one in practice. Money is what makes the place move. The winning candidates(federal and state level) are usually the ones who receive the most funding. Corporations supply the cash and deals so that you get commercial air time and positive representation. Neoliberalism is about using the Govenrment to deregulate the private sector and make it easier to obtain and hold capital. The best candidates for Corporations are ones they pay to keep things unregulated.

 

[Logiko]

Project 2025

WOW WTF IS THAT ???

I didn't know this existed, I just took a quick look. This literally looks like a fascist project !!

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

In what instance? Cause the Republicans had their term before this, democracy seems intact. Half of US history was run by both parties, so I fail to see where the fascist accusations come from.

🙃

Specifically, Trump appointed 2 judges, another 4 years means he might be able to appoint more. If Biden gets appointments maybe it can get better than 6-3 (and reverse some of the things they have done recently).
Project 2025 is the main accusation, because they're planning to """drain the swamp""", fire a lot of people and replace them with loyalists, and push a lot of things that go against freedom.
And in general Trump and the republicans (who have become mostly MAGA for trump) are pro putin and russia that it will hurt NATO and the war in Ukraine, and possibly future fronts like Taiwan

"Drain the swamp" is manipulate speech for "expand their own swamp"

And in general Trump and the republicans (who have become mostly MAGA for trump) are pro putin and russia that it will hurt NATO and the war in Ukraine, and possibly future fronts like Taiwan

The invasion of Ukrainian began after Trump. Just saying.

 

[Natalija]

Specifically, Trump appointed 2 judges, another 4 years means he might be able to appoint more. If Biden gets appointments maybe it can get better than 6-3 (and reverse some of the things they have done recently).
Project 2025 is the main accusation, because they're planning to """drain the swamp""", fire a lot of people and replace them with loyalists, and push a lot of things that go against freedom.
And in general Trump and the republicans (who have become mostly MAGA for trump) are pro putin and russia that it will hurt NATO and the war in Ukraine, and possibly future fronts like Taiwan

Project 2025 sounds like a silly wet dream by an independent organization, I'm not too alarmed about that.

As for the Supreme court, there's no turning back on their decisions no matter who comes next. There's only adding an amendment, and I'm not too sure the US is flexible enough on that (the last one was ratified in 1992)

If someone wants to vote for Biden, the reason shouldn't be Supreme court, and shouldn't be Putin (who is publicly rooting for Biden btw, he would be spooked by Trump).

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Project 2025 sounds like a silly wet dream by an independent organization, I'm not too alarmed about that.

But that's not what it is.

Putin (who is publicly rooting for Biden btw, he would be spooked by Trump

Yes.

 

[Natalija]

But that's not what it is.

Yes.

It is, they have no actual power, they're an activist non-profit institute. They can put out xyz text, but it doesn't really change anything and something like this would never come true in this system.

 

[AL sama]

people want politics to be perfect when nothing in this world is perfect

 

[Ravagerblade]

The US are not special, they are simply the country where those people have a chance. Where do you want them to go ? South ? Where they will be treated even worst and where insecurity is high level ?



What you are doing is dehumanization



Nop



Sure



The entire human species's history. But hey. you have hate on your side so...

You keep speaking bullshit dude.
Why are you so against them trying to do it legally? Where they can be vetted, and not people who are criminals... Because what You want there's been several girls either raped and or killed by Illegals.. Fuck your notions.

 

[Logiko]

You keep speaking bullshit dude.

Why are you so against them trying to do it legally?

Because legality is not something that is accessible for everyone mate.

Because what You want there's been several girls either raped and or killed by Illegals..

Just like there are a lot of girls raped by country people being in the US or in Europe.



This is not an argument mate.

It's basically what it is, just created by conservative think tanks, 900 pages on everything, DoJ, FBI, rights, president power... it's actually insane.

Hell.. those people do not understand what they are advocating for. Its scary.