Controversial General Political Discussion

[Reborn]

Trump got portrayed as the one dodging bullets
Harris was dodging questions


Harris was busy getting celebrities
Trump was connecting with the working class

Harris dodged interviews
Trump was ready anytime

Harris was cooking words salad
Trump was cooking issues which matters to the majority

Harris and co were targeting Trump supporters thus alienating them more
Trump was targetting how to get more voters to vote



It's not about Trump is good or bad or Harris is good or bad

But who marketed himself/herself the best by connecting with the majority to vote for them.

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[Punk Rotten]

They did. They just don't care.

That's the deal with the post-truth era and the far right. Their votes is not based on their interests, it's based on identitary values.

They do not care if you prove them by A+B that Trump wants to continue profiting from their exploitation, they know that he will (or will try to) appease their reactionnary fears and wants.

It's all that matters. Science do not matter, people not from their side do not matter, activists do not matters.

Facts.. do not matter anymore.

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Now, the left must focus on those who didn't choose hate and are really interested in improving their lives. Those who didn't vote. The answer must be a radical one.



Sure sure buddy. have fun with that.

Yes clearly. It’s pointless to waste time on persuading them. I won’t feel any sympathy for the ones who complain later either. Just time to roll up the sleeves and make a difference in the ways you can these next four years.

But I am still seeing a lot of ignorance for example
about Affordable Care Act/Obamacare and Project 2025 and folks being like oh wait

 

[Okamakama]

The world hasn't seemed so bright in so long.

God, I love that man with the orange tan.

 

[Reborn]

I don’t champion democrats. I def voted for Harris because that was the only viable option. Lesser of two evils is her.

What I am against is Donald Trump, deporting a shit ton of people, a guy who lies constantly and incites violence.


But alright let’s see how people will feel when their parents and grandparents lose health benefits and tariffs screw over businesses.

The critique always seems to be to stick it to the libs and dems whenever evidence of Trump being a bad option is provided. And I guess America needs to find out the hard way before waking up.

I would love to revisit this convo 90 days after he goes into office and see if you and others still stand by those words.

Bruh you are talking as if this is the first time Trump is becoming the President.


You guys were saying the same thing in 2016 and once again in 2024.

Get something new because this is exactly what majority got tired of listening - all you guys have is the same rhetoric - Trump will do this..trump will do that ...blah blah blah...


For fuck sake, talk about what you would have done for the issues affecting the majority.

 

[NAMELESS]

I don’t champion democrats. I def voted for Harris because that was the only viable option. Lesser of two evils is her.

What I am against is Donald Trump, deporting a shit ton of people, a guy who lies constantly and incites violence.


But alright let’s see how people will feel when their parents and grandparents lose health benefits and tariffs screw over businesses.

The critique always seems to be to stick it to the libs and dems whenever evidence of Trump being a bad option is provided. And I guess America needs to find out the hard way before waking up.

I would love to revisit this convo 90 days after he goes into office and see if you and others still stand by those words.

Yes clearly. It’s pointless to waste time on persuading them. I won’t feel any sympathy for the ones who complain later either. Just time to roll up the sleeves and make a difference in the ways you can these next four years.

But I am still seeing a lot of ignorance for example
about Affordable Care Act/Obamacare and Project 2025 and folks being like oh wait

Ukrainians will worship Trump if he indeed ends the war. The economy was definitively better under Trump too.
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Bruh you are talking as if this is the first time Trump is becoming the President.


You guys were saying the same thing in 2016 and once again in 2024.

Get something new because this is exactly what majority got tired of listening - all you guys have is the same rhetoric - Trump will do this..trump will do that ...blah blah blah...


For fuck sake, talk about what you would have done for the issues affecting the majority.

Strawmen is the only tool they can employ to get these random people that don't know nothing about politics to their side.

 

[Logiko]

I won’t feel any sympathy for the ones who complain later either

I will. Those people are just as much victim of the system as we are, they just hold a little bit more responsibility in it. They do not understand who they elected into office.

But yes, now we know it's useless to try to persuade them and debunking them with facts and science only uses up our time that we can use to convince others. For now.. they are lost.

What people must do internationaly is:

- Regroup
- Join unions
- Join associations
- Organize
- Coordinate and communicate
- Fight and Retake

And all of that on a massive scale. We have a window of opportunity. USA might be loss but it's not the only country on Earth and there are still people willing to do good inside the worst places.

 

[Reborn]

What people must do internationaly is:

- Regroup
- Join unions
- Join associations
- Organize
- Coordinate and communicate
- Fight and Retake

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[Logiko]

On the contrary, I am saying political leaderships within democrats and their activists need to take responsibilities for the mess rather than shifting the blame on voters.

Their campaign sucked.

It's not that hard logiko

Which is what deresponsibilizing voters (of Trump) means. But yes, you are right, democrates screwed up also.

This reaction is really not surprising hehe

 

[Punk Rotten]

I will. Those people are just as much victim of the system as we are, they just hold a little bit more responsibility in it. They do not understand who they elected into office.

But yes, now we know it's useless to try to persuade them and debunking them with facts and science only uses up our time that we can use to convince others. For now.. they are lost.

What people must do internationaly is:

- Regroup
- Join unions
- Join associations
- Organize
- Coordinate and communicate
- Fight and Retake

And all of that on a massive scale. We have a window of opportunity. USA might be loss but it's not the only country on Earth and there are still people willing to do good inside the worst places.

That’s really kind of you. If someone voted for someone like this who is about treating women like shit and someone who’s a woman? I’m already seeing a lot of anger between family members and spouses and friends because those who are more responsible caused it.

When it could have been avoided.

 

[Reborn]

Which is what deresponsibilizing voters (of Trump) means. But yes, you are right, democrates screwed up also.


This reaction is really not surprising hehe

You cracked me up by your 6 points programme



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[Logiko]

I’m already seeing a lot of anger between family members and spouses and friends because those who are more responsible caused it.

When it could have been avoided.

Empathy for the ennemy is a privilege. I do not suffer from the horror of Trump (not right now at least), so I can allow myself that privilege.

But I will never tell to an angry family who lost their daughter because of an Abortion Ban not to hate Trump, this feeling is perfectly legitimate.

You cracked me up by your 6 points programme

Yeah, no surprises here.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Stop trying to have a dialogue with hardcore Dems, it's pointless. Just post more Trump dancing gifs.

 

[Uncle Van]

Yes clearly. It’s pointless to waste time on persuading them. I won’t feel any sympathy for the ones who complain later either. Just time to roll up the sleeves and make a difference in the ways you can these next four years.

But I am still seeing a lot of ignorance for example
about Affordable Care Act/Obamacare and Project 2025 and folks being like oh wait

I didn't vote for Trump, but your rhetoric is one of the reasons people were driven to vote for him.

 

[Logiko]

I didn't vote for Trump, but your rhetoric is one of the reasons people were driven to vote for him.

That's not how politics work.

 

[Uncle Van]

That's not how politics work.

That's how society works. Aren't you about sociology yet don't know some of the basics?

 

[Okamakama]

That's not how politics work.

People work that way, bro.

 

[AL sama]

Trump winning will directly have a negative effect on my life yet I m laughing while some others who won't feel the impact at all are scared out of their wits

what a time to be alive

 

[Okamakama]

Trump winning will directly have a negative effect on my life yet I m laughing while some others who won't feel the impact at all are scared out of their wits

what a time to be alive

You live in America?

 

[Starbound Beast D. Draig]

Trump winning will directly have a negative effect on my life yet I m laughing while some others who won't feel the impact at all are scared out of their wits

what a time to be alive

Because you're a strong willed person with self respect and dignity

The others are just whimps and doomers with raging hate-boners for Trump and Elon

 

[AL sama]

You live in America?

nope but Trump's foreign trading policies are gonna be a huge pain