Controversial General Political Discussion

[Reborn]

@AL sama @NAMELESS @Uncle Van @Brush D. Teeth would you take someone with a political science phd more seriously?
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Pretty interesting though that that is true lol in socialist political circles you have a lot of people who could easily pass any college or master or phd course on the topic of capitalism feudalism and socialism

Well it certainly adds an element of credibility.


I can give you an example...

Few days ago I made a comment on a podcast on certain topic. The person doing the podcast took note of it - made a sarcastic dig at me, brushed aside my comment as unjustified even though what I was saying was correct.


I was like okay..

Two days later, that person in his podcast raised the same point which I made and said "this is how it should happen". You know why? Because that point was raised by some expert on the topic as well. Suddenly, that point became justified for him



Education/years of working experience lends credibility

 

[NAMELESS]

Well it certainly adds an element of credibility.


I can give you an example...

Few days ago I made a comment on a podcast on certain topic. The person doing the podcast took note of it - made a sarcastic dig at me, brushed aside my comment as unjustified even though what I was saying is correct.


I was like okay..

Just two days later, that person in his podcast raised the same point which I made and said "this is how it should happen". You know why? Because that point was raised by some expert on the topic as well. Suddenly, that point became justified for him



Education/years of working experience lends credibility

The other way around is also true if he got his diploma in a institution of ill reputation.

 

[AL sama]

Education/years of working experience lends credibility

this is true in most cases

 

[Reborn]

The other way around is also true if he got his diploma in a institution of ill reputation.

Sure but fact is your work speaks for itself and it would be out there for everyone to see.

Reputation of an institution can hold you back or can carry you only for sometime - after that it's your work which matters

 

[NAMELESS]

Sure but fact is your work speaks for itself and it would be out there for everyone to see.

Reputation of an institution can hold you back or can carry you only for sometime - after that it's your work which matters

Agreed.

 

[Reborn]

this is true in most cases

In which cases does education or years of working experience won't lend credibility

 

[Monkey D Theories]

It's crazy how you are really repeating the propaganda of the appartheid state. No it would not. It would only allow Israel to annex Gaza and oppress Palestinian even more.

Israel invaded Gaza in order to annex it. Any researcher on colonization and international comitee understand that.

Israel is not just commiting war crime, it's commiting hundreds of war crimes, multiple crimes against humanity, an ethnic cleansing and a genocide. And this is WITHOUT even talking about the current oppression of Palestinian and arabs minorities in and out of Israel.

A politic of extermination doesn't necesarily need the extermination of all, it's a politic based on racism and ethnocentric values meant to get rid of an entire population in a area and push the rest to go away. Which is exactly what Israel is doing at the moment.

For the love of Usopp, learn about the history and the sociology of colonialism.

And understand that what Israel wants is an ETHNOSTATE.

Even if this is all true(I’m not sure it is). It would still be better if they just accepted their loss, let themselves be annexed, and then fought for Israeli citizenship and equal rights.

At this point they are fighting a war they have zero chance of winning. They are motivated by an ideology of suicide where “martyrdom” is glorified.

They’re legit throwing away their lives for nothing.

 

[Blax Blah]

The Palestinian-Israeli conflict will forever be a political dilemma, as an individual whom land has been divided and taken by foreign powers times and times again I can understand why the Palestinians are refusing to surrender.

Hopefully it will not be seen as a political dillema in the future

 

[Reborn]

Even if this is all true(I’m not sure it is). It would still be better if they just accepted their loss, let themselves be annexed, and then fought for Israeli citizenship and equal rights.

At this point they are fighting a war they have zero chance of winning. They are motivated by an ideology of suicide where “martyrdom” is glorified.

They’re legit throwing away their lives for nothing.

I am not a supporter of Hamas but frankly speaking - what you said just now is wrong on so many levels

 

[Monkey D Theories]

If for no other reason, the Gazans should surrender for the sake of the children still living in Gaza.

 

[Roo]

The Palestinian-Israeli conflict will forever be a political dilemma, as an individual whom land has been divided and taken by foreign powers times and times again I can understand why the Palestinians are refusing to surrender.

At some point the endless fighting becomes futile

 

[Ali v2]

Hopefully it will not be seen as a political dillema in the future

It’s either the Palestinians go extinct or Israelis drop the never ending dreams of a promise land that extends from the Nile to the Euphrates

 

[AL sama]

In which cases does education or years of working experience won't lend credibility

for me if someone is fairly reasonable and isn't blinded by their own views then I don't care about their education or work experience

that's just me tho

 

[Blax Blah]

It’s either the Palestinians go extinct or Israelis drop the never ending dreams of a promise land that extends from the Nile to the Euphrates

I don't think jewish people are at fault for it, jewish people did not colonise Palestine, or control the state that did colonise Palestine, jewish people are opressed by the state of Israel too

 

[Reborn]

for me if someone is fairly reasonable and isn't blinded by their own views then I don't care about their education or work experience

that's just me tho

You not caring is different matter

But you said " in most cases" education/experience adds credibility.

So, I am wondering when does it not?

 

[Ali v2]

Even if this is all true(I’m not sure it is). It would still be better if they just accepted their loss, let themselves be annexed, and then fought for Israeli citizenship and equal rights.

At this point they are fighting a war they have zero chance of winning. They are motivated by an ideology of suicide where “martyrdom” is glorified.

They’re legit throwing away their lives for nothing.

As an arab myself, I agree.
Agree that this war is wrong and shouldn’t have happened in the first place.
However, they should never apply for Israeli citizenship, that’s Basically handing israel the keys to their land, a two state country is the best choice for all.

 

[Logiko]

Even if this is all true(I’m not sure it is). It would still be better if they just accepted their loss, let themselves be annexed, and then fought for Israeli citizenship and equal rights.

At this point they are fighting a war they have zero chance of winning. They are motivated by an ideology of suicide where “martyrdom” is glorified.

They’re legit throwing away their lives for nothing.

A life lost through the resistance and the endurance against oppression will NEVER be lost for nothing.

Listen to yourself right now. You are legitimizing colonization and oppression. In One Piece term sit would be like saying "you lost, surrender" to wano's samourais or Dressrosa's population. It's legit horrible.

We CANNOT accept oppression !

 

[Blax Blah]

You not caring is different matter

But you said " in most cases" education/experience adds credibility.

So, I am wondering when does it not?

Maybe someone who officially studied political science would diagree with some political science facts, if they do then that should be justified with an explanation based on facts, not just with the credibility of their education
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A life lost through the resistance and the endurance against oppression will NEVER be lost for nothing.

Listen to yourself right now. You are legitimizing colonization and oppression. In One Piece term sit would be like saying "you lost, surrender" to wano's samourais or Dressrosa's population. It's legit horrible.

We CANNOT accept oppression !

Palestinians are also not soldiers, those 46,000 who have been killed were not an army of 46,000

There is no surrender to negotiate, the state of Israel is genociding them

 

[Zenos7]

Survey was released in November 2023 (not sure)

I found it online so just sharing what I saw.

Done by Arab World for Research and Develop (Internal agency supported by UN, Arab Nations, World Bank)

Summary

• 75% support the October 7 massacre
• 85.9% reject coexistence with Israel
• 71.1% are committed to the restoration of “historical Palestine” as a final resolution
• 74.7% support the creation of a Palestinian state “from the river to the sea” as the only acceptable resolution of the conflict.

Support for Hamas and other such organizations

• 76% believe that Hamas plays a somewhat to very positive role
• 84% believe that Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) plays a somewhat to very positive role
• 79.8% believe that Fatah’s terror wing, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, plays a somewhat to very positive role
• 88.6% believe that Hamas’ armed wing, the Al-Kassam Brigades, plays a somewhat to very positive role.

Towards West

• 98.2% of Palestinians see the U.S. role as negative
• 96.7% consider the UK role as negative
• 92.6% consider the EU role as negative.
• 85.5% believe that these countries support Israel because of “hatred of Arabs
• 79.5% believe that support is the result of “hatred of Muslims and Islam”

Towards some Arab countries

• 96% disapprove of the UAE
• 95.5% disapprove of Saudi Arabia
• 84.6% disapprove of Egypt
• 75.6% disapprove of Jordan.

Approval ratings​

This is disturbing to say the least

 

[AL sama]

So, I am wondering when does it not?

maybe my phrasing was bad but I didn't mean that