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Brush D. Teeth

Brush D. Teeth

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Logiko said:
Even those are not created out of nowhere. Even our ideas are the long term continuation of influences on a conceptual level, but if we talk about the physical one, it's also the results of previous process (which I have touched upon last week).

Materialist like me believe that reality exist outside of us. Meaning that no matter if I'm dead or alive or if the civilization is extinct, the material reality will exist (from this state to the heat death state status)
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Whatever the case, that doesn't change that we do have that concept and we mostly refer to that with the word creation. Your statement that we use it to mean transformation doesn't seem rooted in reality.
Only if we rewind back 13.8 Billion years ago at the moment of the Big Bang. At this moment, things are indeed incertain and there could very well be a creator somewhere. But everything from this moment is a result of a logical reaction of causality.

AND if we listen to some cosmologists. In some scenarios, causility would be kind of a result of the expansion of the universe.

Now, I have absolutely no way of telling you how those scenario work as I have not the pretention to be a cosmologist, but I can present you some people who thought about it if you want.
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Religiously-intended creation, for the most part, also refers to the very beginning.
 
Logiko

Logiko

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Brush D. Teeth said:
Whatever the case, that doesn't change that we do have that concept and we mostly refer to that with the word creation. Your statement that we use it to mean transformation doesn't seem rooted in reality.
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What I'm telling you is precisely that we indeed do have the concept of "creation" (even many artists) when in reality, the world "transformation" is the materialistic way to look at the action.

This word is indeed not used commonly and this prevents a lot of us from really understanding how the world works.

Remember, by naming things, you can adapt your vision of the world.


Brush D. Teeth said:
Religiously-intended creation, for the most part, also refers to the very beginning.
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I was not talking specifically about religion but yea.

The beginning, the only real act of "creation" that could be a reality, happened before the expension of the universe.
 
Blax Blah

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Brush D. Teeth said:
Whatever the case, that doesn't change that we do have that concept and we mostly refer to that with the word creation. Your statement that we
Logiko said:
What I'm telling you is precisely that we indeed do have the concept of "creation" (even many artists) when in reality, the world "transformation" is the materialistic way to look at the action.

This word is indeed not used commonly and this prevents a lot of us from really understanding how the world works.

Remember, by naming things, you can adapt your vision of the world.



I was not talking specifically about religion but yea.

The beginning, the only real act of "creation" that could be a reality, happened before the expension of the universe.
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Maybe I misunderstand but I think it's also important to differentiate between materialism and physicalism
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Logiko

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Physicalism is an extention of materialism. It takes into account all physical systems.

But I think materialism is more adapted at the moment to talk about political concepts as it is a philosophy that take social systems into account.
 
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Daniel

Daniel

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https://federalnewsnetwork.com/work...e-agency-to-collect-tariff-income/?readmore=1
WASHINGTON (AP) — President-elect Donald Trump on Tuesday announced plans to create a new agency called the External Revenue Service to collect tariffs and other revenues from foreign nations.

“We will begin charging those that make money off of us with Trade, and they will start paying,” Trump said Tuesday on his social media site, Truth Social. He compared his planned creation to the Internal Revenue Service, which is the nation’s domestic tax collector.

The creation of a new agency requires an act of Congress, and Republicans hold the majority of both the House and the Senate.

Trump, who has vowed to shrink the size of government, would be creating a new agency to do functions already handled by existing agencies, including the Commerce Department and the Customs and Border Patrol, which collect duties and revenues from other nations.

The president-elect has tapped two business titans to lead his Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE, a nongovernmental task force assigned to find ways to fire federal workers, cut programs and slash federal regulations, all part of what he calls his “Save America” agenda for a second term in the White House.

Billionaire Elon Musk and fellow entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy are leading the DOGE’s ambitious efforts to reduce the size and scope of the federal government.

Tariffs, with the threat of a potential 25% levy on all goods from allies like Canada and Mexico and 60% on goods from China, have become a benchmark of Trump’s economic agenda as he heads into his second term.

Economists have said the cost of the tariffs will be passed on to consumers, and are generally skeptical of them, considering them a mostly inefficient way for governments to raise money and promote prosperity.

Democratic lawmakers were quick to criticize the External Revenue Service plan.

“No amount of silly rebranding will hide the fact that Trump is planning a multi-trillion-dollar tax hike on American families and small businesses to pay for another round of tax handouts to the rich,” Oregon Sen. Ron Wyden, the top Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee, said in a statement.
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