Controversial General Political Discussion

[Photon]

Some "religious people" don't really give a fuck about their religion.
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Most of them are Zionist. I don't know what the big deal is here. Some of the stuff that happens here goes beyond criticism. It's is straight up propaganda, disinformation and defamation. It's borderline antisemitic at times.

Most? probably, i don't really know the numbers and it is a big deal. Criticizing the zionists for ethnic cleansing palestinians equates to criticizing the jews you think? If you think so, then it is in your view and not in my view that jews are just as bad as zionists.

I'm not going to ignore that there are indeed racist people who are anti jews and not just anti zionists. Also, Palestinians are technically more semitic than those european jews so anti-semitic would also mean anti-palestinians. I would suggest you stop using this buzzword carelessly that further propagates Israel "propaganda, disinformation, and defamation" that you are talking about. Many, especially the younger ones are probably clueless about this, but Zionists at its core were built off propaganda and it's not even comparable. I have read enough books that were written by early Israel's important figures, and i would confidently say that, yes, zionists at its core are that racists and disgusting. Recently, Israel's dog or the USA, through trump, lifted the sanctions on violent israeli settlers on the west bank. I mean, what's the harm of imposing a sanction on those violent israeli settler lol? That's the glimpse of how disgusting they ara

Nevermind then, I'll ask some jews who've been reading the Talmud since they were 3 years old

Even though to be fair, there is a convert in this thread and some guy named @Jew D. Boy but not sure that he is jewish.



I'm not the one who made this parallel between judaism and islam.

Anyway I found this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_restrictions_on_the_consumption_of_pork

But somehow I met Jews in real life who've eaten beacon in front of me because they "aren't muslim but jewish" and they were the kind of jews who supported an ongoing genocide pretending that people in the videos were either actors or made by AI. After this day I had to rethink everything I knew, I either met the most retarded Jews who didn't know shit about their religion or I was wrong about pork being forbidden ? But every time I checked a source, it said it was forbidden. This event that took place years ago now left a mark on me. And made me question myself. Why are people I meet outside of my social circles retarded ?

Well the people are not the same as the religion. It's also not my words that Judaism is closer to Islam than it is to christianity. I should have clarified though that it's not as easy of a question as it seems, some rabbis would say outrightly that judaism is closer to Islam and some would say that judaism is its own religion, and it is understandable as there might be things that are similar in judaism and christianity but not in judaism in islam (I dont reslly know if there is any). Even then, the latter would further say that if they really have to choose, judaism is indeed closer to Islam.

I'm not really knowledgeable in the matter, but i did read and watch quite often in the past.

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

You gotta give it to Trump and the administration, they are keeping everyone on their toes....

- Tariff reduction/pause with China
- Price control of pharma
- Accepts a 747 from Qatar
- Refugees from South Africa
- 600 billion to 1 trillion investment deal with Saudis (plus they played YMCA at the investment forum later )
- Breaks with Bibi
- Removes sanctions from Syria
- Mediates between India and Pakistan
- Probably will go to Istanbul for peace talks

 

[Midnight Delight]

Breaks with Bibi

Karma bit his ass for defending WaterElon's Nazi Stance

That was the most Cuckolded shit I have ever seen, like a Black Guy defending the KKK

And it all went for nothing

 

[NAMELESS]

Most? probably, i don't really know the numbers and it is a big deal. Criticizing the zionists for ethnic cleansing palestinians equates to criticizing the jews you think? If you think so, then it is in your view and not in my view that jews are just as bad as zionists.

I don't recall making such claims. Another fool joins my ignore list.

 

[Photon]

I don't recall making such claims. Another fool joins my ignore list.

Lmao, first you said Israel and jew in the same sentence as if criticizing israel would also directly mean criticizing jew. Then you said it is not a big deal and i show you why it is a big deal to make a distinction

And wow, why would i care about your ignore list lmao, people sure as hell would be glad to know it you think?

Sure then, bye another israel's dog, i'm sure you would be a great dog to them

 

[Jew D. Boy]

In case anyone’s curious, I am not a supporter of Israel and have been vilified by others in my community as a result; I find it very contradictory and heinous for a group of people who have faced multiple genocides to so gleefully cheer on the kind of massacres that Bibi and his cronies visit upon Gaza every single fucking day

 

[ShinmenTakezo]

You gotta give it to Trump and the administration, they are keeping everyone on their toes....

- Tariff reduction/pause with China
- Price control of pharma
- Accepts a 747 from Qatar
- Refugees from South Africa
- 600 billion to 1 trillion investment deal with Saudis (plus they played YMCA at the investment forum later )
- Breaks with Bibi
- Removes sanctions from Syria
- Mediates between India and Pakistan
- Probably will go to Istanbul for peace talks

Forgot about inflation for April at 2,3 %

Not an edit...

 

[Midnight Delight]

@Monkey D Theories fun fact
The White Lotus in China is technically Abrahamic or at least half Gnostic

 

[NAMELESS]

Lmao, first you said Israel and jew in the same sentence as if criticizing israel would also directly mean criticizing jew. Then you said it is not a big deal and i show you why it is a big deal to make a distinction

And wow, why would i care about your ignore list lmao, people sure as hell would be glad to know it you think?

Sure then, bye another israel's dog, i'm sure you would be a great dog to them

Listen, retard, you don't even know what my takes are. I don't support or condene Israel. I don't have a dog is this race. You are literally putting words in my mouth and reading shit i never typed. You need to work on your reading comprehension, son. You are assuming i said that shit when i didn't. I'm putting you on the ignore list cause i'm tired of debating c4n like users. Bye, snowflake.
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In case anyone’s curious, I am not a supporter of Israel and have been vilified by others in my community as a result; I find it very contradictory and heinous for a group of people who have faced multiple genocides to so gleefully cheer on the kind of massacres that Bibi and his cronies visit upon Gaza every single fucking day

We are all fucked. If you criticize Israel, you are a Hamas supporter. If you don't, you are genocide supporter. People are fucking dumb and can't think for themselves.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

We are all fucked. If you criticize Israel, you are a Hamas supporter. If you don't, you are genocide supporter. People are fucking dumb and can't think for themselves.

I just don’t see how anyone can see and hear about Israel bombing Palestinian schools and hospitals under the guise of rooting out the same terrorists they helped create and think they have the moral high ground, it drives me up the fucking wall…it’s a nuanced situation, and of course I want Jews to have a place to call their own, but we were nomads for centuries and that sliver of land is meaningful to multiple religions, so to act as though we’re the only ones who can lay claim is just asinine in my opinion.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

@Monkey D Theories fun fact
The White Lotus in China is technically Abrahamic or at least half Gnostic

Are you talking about the guys who are trying to find Maitreya, the successor of the Shakyamuni Buddha? Or is this something different?
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But somehow I met Jews in real life who've eaten beacon in front of me because they "aren't muslim but jewish" and they were the kind of jews who supported an ongoing genocide pretending that people in the videos were either actors or made by AI. After this day I had to rethink everything I knew, I either met the most retarded Jews who didn't know shit about their religion or I was wrong about pork being forbidden ? But every time I checked a source, it said it was forbidden. This event that took place years ago now left a mark on me. And made me question myself. Why are people I meet outside of my social circles retarded ?

Jews are an ethnoreligious group. You can be ethnically ashkenazi/sephardic/etc. but religiously atheistic, a you can be a frum convert with no ethnic ties, or something in between.

The people you were talking about were probably atheistic/secular.

Most religious Jews either outright don’t eat pork, or if they do, they’d still acknowledge it’s a sin(albeit probably not a big one).

 

[NAMELESS]

I just don’t see how anyone can see and hear about Israel bombing Palestinian schools and hospitals under the guise of rooting out the same terrorists they helped create and think they have the moral high ground, it drives me up the fucking wall…it’s a nuanced situation, and of course I want Jews to have a place to call their own, but we were nomads for centuries and that sliver of land is meaningful to multiple religions, so to act as though we’re the only ones who can lay claim is just asinine in my opinion.

"It's colateral damage that happens in war" is the argument that the Herrera types throw at this. Imagine if the Brazilian army bombed the favelas to off the drug dealers. Not even Bukele of El Salvador did something so radical. Religious and political bias has blinded some people.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Are you talking about the guys who are trying to find Maitreya, the successor of the Shakyamuni Buddha? Or is this something different?

Yes
Maitreya being turned into some Jesus figure who was gonna salvage mankind was basically them trying to reconcile Mani's religion with Buddhism and Confucius

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Yes
Maitreya being turned into some Jesus figure who was gonna salvage mankind was basically them trying to reconcile Mani's religion with Buddhism and Confucius

I don’t consider it abrahamic unless a figure from abrahamic lore is actually involved

Else this is about as Abrahamic as One Piece because Jesus, Maitreya, and Luffy are all saviors of mankind.
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In case anyone’s curious, I am not a supporter of Israel and have been vilified by others in my community as a result; I find it very contradictory and heinous for a group of people who have faced multiple genocides to so gleefully cheer on the kind of massacres that Bibi and his cronies visit upon Gaza every single fucking day

I really dislike religious Zionism

I get how the land of eretz Israel is important to the Jewish religion, and how Jews naturally have ties to Israel due to having friends/family that live there.

but I hate the idea that support for the state of Israel, which was created less than a century ago, is somehow an integral part of a 1000+ year old religion.
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Anyways sucks people would vilify you over this. People genuinely need to stop getting so offended over a conflict in a land across the sea.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

I really dislike religious Zionism

I get how the land of eretz Israel is important to the Jewish religion, and how Jews naturally have ties to Israel due to having friends/family that live there.

but I hate the idea that support for the state of Israel, which was created less than a century ago, is somehow an integral part of a 1000+ year old religion.

That last bit is what I say to my mother and other naysayers, why should we tie our entire cultural identity to a country that didn’t properly exist until just after WWII? To me, doing that diminishes all other aspects of our belief system and portrays us as a monolith when there are plenty of others who don’t support this shit…

 

[Ravagerblade]

The land of Jerusalem and yet you can't grasp the significance of it etc...
A people with no home them, cast them out to be nomads, people without a country.

Optics don't look good then.
You have to face that nothing in this world is going to be perfect.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

That last bit is what I say to my mother and other naysayers, why should we tie our entire cultural identity to a country that didn’t properly exist until just after WWII? To me, doing that diminishes all other aspects of our belief system and portrays us as a monolith when there are plenty of others who don’t support this shit…

the more extreme versions of Zionism honestly seem like a cult

Like if you tell me you want to go to the Middle East to settle occupied land or fight a war for the purpose of empowering a religious state, it ngl doesn’t sound too different from what people radicalized by ISIS do.

And this isn’t to say Israel = ISIS, because there is some liberal secular aspect to Israeli society. But the version of Israel the religious Zionists want to create tbh sounds like Jewish ISIS.

 

[Reborn]

War of Narratives

In today’s world, information is no longer just about facts—it’s about influence.

Media outlets and various information sources engage in a constant war of narratives, where each side frames events in a way that serves specific interests.

These outlets usually operate with two main motives: maximizing viewership by tailoring content to public sentiment, and advancing state or corporate interests based on the region they belong to.

These narratives are emotionally charged. They are designed not just to inform, but to provoke emotional reactions—anger, fear, pride, or sympathy—often at the cost of objectivity. This emotional manipulation can override logic and cloud judgment.



People respond differently to these narratives.

Some align easily due to confirmation bias—accepting only what fits their pre-existing beliefs.

Others, equipped with critical thinking and fact-checking tools, question and resist such influence.

Yet many fall into echo chambers, surrounded by friends, family, and communities that reinforce the same narrative, sometimes out of a need for social acceptance.


Narratives have power. They can unify people for a cause or polarize societies.

No single source offers the absolute reality. Instead, truth lies buried beneath layers of perspective, agenda, and perception.



During war, every side in a war presents its own version of why the war started—self-defense, liberation, revenge, or protection of values.

These narratives justify actions of a state and rally public support.

Media often glorifies its own soldiers and demonizes the enemy - humanize one, dehumanize others. This makes it easier to gain support and justify violence.

Governments censor or shape media to maintain public morale and international image. They shape the flow of information.

Then, fake news, propaganda, selective footage, and emotionally charged images are used to control public opinion.


And, same thing happens in the global arena.

People who challenge the dominant narrative are often labeled unpatriotic, traitors, or enemy sympathizers and becomes object of ridicule within their own community.

This reduces space for peace voices or critical thinking during war.

Worst part is, narratives outlast actual wars. They shape history books, national memory, and future generations identities—often keeping old hatreds alive.


And, common men like us? We are the targets or shall I say "victim" of such narrative influence and then "agents" of propagation of such narratives.

 

[notAfanboy]

Worst part is, narratives outlast actual wars. They shape history books, national memory, and future generations identities—often keeping old hatreds alive.

And I agree. And more concerning is that BJP has mastered this tactic.

You may want to read this book by an Indian author Swati Chaturvedi in 2016:

I Am a Troll: Inside the Secret World of the BJP's Digital Army

Summary:

I Am a Troll: Inside the Secret World of the BJP's Digital Army by Swati Chaturvedi exposes the BJP's organized use of social media to manipulate public discourse. The book reveals how the party's IT cell orchestrates coordinated trolling campaigns, targeting critics with abuse and misinformation. Sadhavi Khosla, a former volunteer, provides insider testimony on directives to attack dissenters and trend specific hashtags. Chaturvedi highlights that Prime Minister Modi follows several abusive accounts, suggesting tacit endorsement. The book underscores the impact on democratic dialogue, where dissent is suppressed through digital intimidation. For her courageous reporting, Chaturvedi received the RSF Press Freedom Award in 2018.

In addition, check out European Disinfo Lab's report on Indian disinfo campaign:

Indian Chronicles: deep dive into a 15-year operation targeting the EU and UN to serve Indian interests


Summary:

The operation’s mission is to discredit nations in conflict with India in Asia, in particular Pakistan but also China to a lesser extent. Its long-term objective is:

• In India, to reinforce pro-Indian and anti-Pakistan (and anti-Chinese) feelings.
• Internationally, to consolidate the power and improve the perception of India, to damage the reputation of other countries and ultimately benefit from more support from international institutions such as the EU and the UN.

Also, do some research on:

How indian moderators influence content on Twitter/X

Summary:
Indian moderators hired by social media platforms like X (formerly Twitter) play a significant role in content moderation, impacting what users see and what is removed from the platform.
The problem is, X is outsourcing moderation from Indian cells (because they are cheap). And it has consequences; killing emerging trends that go against Indian narrative, modifying Grok responses, fooling fact checks, and so on.

More on this here:

https://www.techpolicy.press/how-pl...-escalating-harm-in-the-indiapakistan-crisis/


While it is a global problem, India is the epicenter of this issue.

Ready to debate further if you are willing to do so. 👍🏻

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

It's funny when you see a bunch of Indian accounts praise Giorgia Meloni under her tweets in perfect Italian.