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You’re not wrong, but I am an untrained civilian staring down metaphorical and literal barrels from people who make it their duty to arm themselves to the teeth and lash out at anyone who doesn’t affirm their worldview, my existence is a drop in the bucket so it seems foolish to let some skinhead in Idaho take it away from me because I got too overzealous. Also, I’m gonna assume you’re not married if you have to ask that question…but believe me, the saying “Happy wife, happy life” exists because it’s true 
I have never once regretted not having kids, and I don’t plan on bringing any new people into such a cruel and crumbling world…I ask my friends who have procreated how they handle the myriad dangers kids face everywhere, and to a person, they all tell me they’re constantly terrified of school shootings or a mandatory draft or microplastics in food, basically anything and everything that can ruin a child’s life or end it completely. The human race will always perpetuate itself, so there’s gonna be grist for the mill no matter what I do, but I highly advocate letting your bloodline die with you, the machine will keep running with or without it 
The experiences of those in your life are real, but I plead you do not wholesale advocate for people 'letting their bloodline die'. My words are not about legacy. They are not about ego. However, I am certain that the reason those friends of yours fear so greatly is due to the immense love they hold for their children.
That love is precious. It helps sustain the heart. Whilst we may bring children into a dangerous world, that does not make life any less beautiful. It is something all expecting and current parents will know implicitly.
Much love to you for your decision, however.
I'd rather die protecting my children and show them through sacrifice that sometimes you must fight, than let them die or never be born out of fear. Life will continue without me, and if they survive, I hope they'll grow from it. There will always be dangers in creating anything, that doesn't make it any less worthwhile.
But I think this is just a difference in values. I'll respectfully end it here.
To everyone who's going to criticize this statement: it's a natural reaction to living in broken, overcrowded societies that have become too insane to allow livable circumstances for its citizens.
Humankind won't die out because some decide not to procreate, rather the opposite. Future generations need more space and enough healthy food to thrive, mere survival is not worth pursuing for its own sake.
Glad I also decided to never marry, even before deciding against children.
Humankind won't die out because some decide not to procreate, rather the opposite. Future generations need more space and enough healthy food to thrive, mere survival is not worth pursuing for its own sake.
Glad I also decided to never marry, even before deciding against children.
Yeah, I get it, and my friends often stress that having their children is the best decision they ever made…it’s just not for me, I don’t have that parental instinct so I would rather not bring a kid into the world and make its life (and mine) immeasurably difficult. I take back my comment about bloodlines, but there are enough miserable families in this country (most of whom are about to get fucked over so hard by this bill) that I feel like my decision not to continue mine to that is the right one.
Also, I’m gonna assume you’re not married if you have to ask that question…but believe me, the saying “Happy wife, happy life” exists because it’s true
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Thank you. I respect your decision, even if we stand on opposite ends of this issue. I wish you a happy and long-life, and that you find your joy wherever it lies.
If you respect each other's values, it means you have to respect hers as well. Mature discussion always needs to be had. In my case, my wife is afraid of me having a black car because they are involved in more accidents (with red cars having the most). She pleaded with me to not buy one, so even though I love black cars, I chose to follow her wishes. Compromise is important. :)
If you respect each other's values, it means you have to respect hers as well. Mature discussion always needs to be had. In my case, my wife is afraid of me having a black car because they are involved in more accidents (with red cars having the most). She pleaded with me to not buy one, so even though I love black cars, I chose to follow her wishes. Compromise is important. :)
Both of which I’m pretty short on, thanks to a capitalist system that’s designed to keep me poor and tired…again, if I wasn’t married, I might be inclined to do the things you mentioned, but it’s hard to make that leap when my wife (who is just as angry about all this garbage) doesn’t wanna risk our safety and whatever well-being we still have at this point 
Cool but you're only talking about the parents. Ever asked the kids if they wanted to be forced into this world? A person's value is not defined by how many adults claim to love them. Children are no objects.
I kinda do but birthing children should be about them, not oneself.
You're doing what the Nazis wanted to achieve, huh?
Okay I'll see myself out
I kinda do but birthing children should be about them, not oneself.
I said what I meant to say 
Okay I'll see myself out
That’s not what it’s about, it’s respecting my partner’s wishes and knowing she has my best interests in mind; neither of us just blindly does what the other says, it’s a mutual understanding that putting our lives on the line - while noble and selfless - is just not the right move for us right now. She knows I’d go completely off the deep end if given the chance, but the risk is not worth the reward in her mind, and I choose to honor that instead of letting myself go nuts.
I will make it very clear that in my house there will be pointy sticks meant for self defense and hunting. If she isn't into that, then i guess we should depart ways. I take self defense very seriously. I have carried blades in the streets since age 13. Compromise is important in futile matters, not on life and death matters like personal self defense. Ideally, my wife would join me in the gun club too.
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...and you just submit
Your safety and wellbeing will disappear before your eyes if you do nothing to keep them
See?! Human bonds or rather shackles only hold us down, creating hostile societies for everyone including the people we love, out of fear our actions leading to the exact same outcomes we don't want to happen. Having too much love for people harms them and us.
Your safety and wellbeing will disappear before your eyes if you do nothing to keep them
See?! Human bonds or rather shackles only hold us down, creating hostile societies for everyone including the people we love, out of fear our actions leading to the exact same outcomes we don't want to happen. Having too much love for people harms them and us.
This is very nihilistic. I understand somewhat, but we are blessed because we had the chance to be born. I completely agree that children are not objects, but I never once said their value is determined by how many adults love them.
I just value life, as imperfect as it can be. I used to be very depressed and wished that I had never been born. It is because I am not that way anymore that I see the beauty in life and the capacity to find purpose in the thing we call life.
And this is why you choose your spouse carefully. Sharing core values is important, but you needn't be identical. We all have things we will not compromise on. It would appear that this isn't a hard-line for Jew D. Boy and you should respect that, even if you disagree. :)
I just value life, as imperfect as it can be. I used to be very depressed and wished that I had never been born. It is because I am not that way anymore that I see the beauty in life and the capacity to find purpose in the thing we call life.
And this is why you choose your spouse carefully. Sharing core values is important, but you needn't be identical. We all have things we will not compromise on. It would appear that this isn't a hard-line for Jew D. Boy and you should respect that, even if you disagree. :)
Both of which I’m pretty short on, thanks to a capitalist system that’s designed to keep me poor and tired…again, if I wasn’t married, I might be inclined to do the things you mentioned, but it’s hard to make that leap when my wife (who is just as angry about all this garbage) doesn’t wanna risk our safety and whatever well-being we still have at this point
I do respect. Not everyone should own weapons. Mental fitness is important. What i got from his posts is that he isn't against owning guns, he just doesn't own them cause his wife doesn't want them. I think they should talk things out. Most people that are anti-gun are just scared of them. One gun safety class and a few rounds down range can easily fix this.
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Saying that kids aren't things or tools is nihilistic in your eyes?
That's not how one defines nihilism in my book... your phrase about being blessed for being born, on the other hand, sounds like you memorized verses from some holy book, written by people you never met.
So do I. And this extends to non human life as well.
Btw this would be ultra illegal in germany
That's not how one defines nihilism in my book... your phrase about being blessed for being born, on the other hand, sounds like you memorized verses from some holy book, written by people you never met.
So do I. And this extends to non human life as well.
Btw this would be ultra illegal in germany
Nihilism is the belief that life and existence have no inherent meaning or value. By asking me if I've ever asked kids if they wanted to be born, you are essentially ascribing a lack of value to life - or insinuating they wouldn't want to be.
As for your second comment, maybe. I am a Christian, but my belief in why to live is a blessing is from personal experience. However, there is a non religious quote by Richard Dawkins that I am fond of:
"We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia.
Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people.
In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here.We privileged few, who won the lottery of birth against all odds, how dare we whine at our inevitable return to that prior state from which the vast majority have never stirred?"
Having battled through depression and a lack of purpose, I now feel blessed to be alive. If you had asked me the question you previously asked 7 years ago, I'd have told you there was no value. We can change. Despite everything I suffered through, and that is something wholly personal to me, I am happy to be born. It is in that knowledge that I know my children could be - regardless of what they must experience.
P.S. I value non-human life too. I adore animals - cows, dogs, ducks, chickens, cats, etc etc.
As for your second comment, maybe. I am a Christian, but my belief in why to live is a blessing is from personal experience. However, there is a non religious quote by Richard Dawkins that I am fond of:
"We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia.
Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people.
In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here.We privileged few, who won the lottery of birth against all odds, how dare we whine at our inevitable return to that prior state from which the vast majority have never stirred?"
Having battled through depression and a lack of purpose, I now feel blessed to be alive. If you had asked me the question you previously asked 7 years ago, I'd have told you there was no value. We can change. Despite everything I suffered through, and that is something wholly personal to me, I am happy to be born. It is in that knowledge that I know my children could be - regardless of what they must experience.
P.S. I value non-human life too. I adore animals - cows, dogs, ducks, chickens, cats, etc etc.
