Controversial General Political Discussion

[Jew D. Boy]

Before anything else, please let me preface this by saying: I am not saying you are wrong to live the way you do.

The experiences of those in your life are real, but I plead you do not wholesale advocate for people 'letting their bloodline die'. My words are not about legacy. They are not about ego. However, I am certain that the reason those friends of yours fear so greatly is due to the immense love they hold for their children.

That love is precious. It helps sustain the heart. Whilst we may bring children into a dangerous world, that does not make life any less beautiful. It is something all expecting and current parents will know implicitly.

Much love to you for your decision, however.



I'd rather die protecting my children and show them through sacrifice that sometimes you must fight, than let them die or never be born out of fear. Life will continue without me, and if they survive, I hope they'll grow from it. There will always be dangers in creating anything, that doesn't make it any less worthwhile.

But I think this is just a difference in values. I'll respectfully end it here.

Yeah, I get it, and my friends often stress that having their children is the best decision they ever made…it’s just not for me, I don’t have that parental instinct so I would rather not bring a kid into the world and make its life (and mine) immeasurably difficult. I take back my comment about bloodlines, but there are enough miserable families in this country (most of whom are about to get fucked over so hard by this bill) that I feel like my decision not to continue mine to that is the right one.

 

[NAMELESS]

Also, I’m gonna assume you’re not married if you have to ask that question…but believe me, the saying “Happy wife, happy life” exists because it’s true

Yeah, i'm not married, but if i were, i wouldn't simply obey whatever my wife said. That isn't a mature relationship. People gotta respect each others values.

 

[Okamakama]

Yeah, I get it, and my friends often stress that having their children is the best decision they ever made…it’s just not for me, I don’t have that parental instinct so I would rather not bring a kid into the world and make its life (and mine) immeasurably difficult. I take back my comment about bloodlines, but there are enough miserable families in this country (most of whom are about to get fucked over so hard by this bill) that I feel like my decision not to continue mine to that is the right one.

Thank you. I respect your decision, even if we stand on opposite ends of this issue. I wish you a happy and long-life, and that you find your joy wherever it lies.

Yeah, i'm not married, but i were, i wouldn't simply obey whatever my wife said. That isn't a mature relationship. People gotta respect each others values.

If you respect each other's values, it means you have to respect hers as well. Mature discussion always needs to be had. In my case, my wife is afraid of me having a black car because they are involved in more accidents (with red cars having the most). She pleaded with me to not buy one, so even though I love black cars, I chose to follow her wishes. Compromise is important. :)

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Advice learn with people that were in your situation and pulled off a win. The US lost a war to a bunch of men wearing sandals, wielding old aks and hiding in mountains. Asymmetrical warfare is a thing. There are plenty of tatical instruction for civillinas in the US. You can literally look up those for free on youtube. But, ofc, you also gotta put in time and money.

Both of which I’m pretty short on, thanks to a capitalist system that’s designed to keep me poor and tired…again, if I wasn’t married, I might be inclined to do the things you mentioned, but it’s hard to make that leap when my wife (who is just as angry about all this garbage) doesn’t wanna risk our safety and whatever well-being we still have at this point

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I am certain that the reason those friends of yours fear so greatly is due to the immense love they hold for their children.

That love is precious. It helps sustain the heart. Whilst we may bring children into a dangerous world, that does not make life any less beautiful. It is something all expecting and current parents will know implicitly.

Cool but you're only talking about the parents. Ever asked the kids if they wanted to be forced into this world? A person's value is not defined by how many adults claim to love them. Children are no objects.

I don’t have that parental instinct so I would rather not bring a kid into the world

I kinda do but birthing children should be about them, not oneself.

I said what I meant to say

You're doing what the Nazis wanted to achieve, huh?
Okay I'll see myself out

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Yeah, i'm not married, but i were, i wouldn't simply obey whatever my wife said. That isn't a mature relationship. People gotta respect each others values.

That’s not what it’s about, it’s respecting my partner’s wishes and knowing she has my best interests in mind; neither of us just blindly does what the other says, it’s a mutual understanding that putting our lives on the line - while noble and selfless - is just not the right move for us right now. She knows I’d go completely off the deep end if given the chance, but the risk is not worth the reward in her mind, and I choose to honor that instead of letting myself go nuts.

 

[NAMELESS]

Thank you. I respect your decision, even if we stand on opposite ends of this issue. I wish you a happy and long-life, and that you find your joy wherever it lies.



If you respect each other's values, it means you have to respect hers as well. Mature discussion always needs to be had. In my case, my wife is afraid of me having a black car because they are involved in more accidents (with red cars having the most). She pleads for me to not have one, so even if I love black cars, I chose to follow her wishes. Compromise is important. :)

I will make it very clear that in my house there will be pointy sticks meant for self defense and hunting. If she isn't into that, then i guess we should depart ways. I take self defense very seriously. I have carried blades in the streets since age 13. Compromise is important in futile matters, not on life and death matters like personal self defense. Ideally, my wife would join me in the gun club too.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

thanks to a capitalist system that’s designed to keep me poor and tired

...and you just submit

doesn’t wanna risk our safety and whatever well-being we still have at this point

Your safety and wellbeing will disappear before your eyes if you do nothing to keep them

if I wasn’t married, I might be inclined to do the things you mentioned

See?! Human bonds or rather shackles only hold us down, creating hostile societies for everyone including the people we love, out of fear our actions leading to the exact same outcomes we don't want to happen. Having too much love for people harms them and us.

 

[Okamakama]

Cool but you're only talking about the parents. Ever asked the kids if they wanted to be forced into this world? A person's value is not defined by how many adults claim to love them. Children are no objects.

This is very nihilistic. I understand somewhat, but we are blessed because we had the chance to be born. I completely agree that children are not objects, but I never once said their value is determined by how many adults love them.

I just value life, as imperfect as it can be. I used to be very depressed and wished that I had never been born. It is because I am not that way anymore that I see the beauty in life and the capacity to find purpose in the thing we call life.

I will make it very clear that in my house there will be pointy sticks meant for self defense and hunting. If she isn't into that, then i guess we should depart ways. I take self defense very seriously. I have carried blades in the streets since age 13. Compromise is important in futile matters, not on life and death matters like personal self defense. Ideally, my wife would join in the gun club too.

And this is why you choose your spouse carefully. Sharing core values is important, but you needn't be identical. We all have things we will not compromise on. It would appear that this isn't a hard-line for Jew D. Boy and you should respect that, even if you disagree. :)

 

[NAMELESS]

Both of which I’m pretty short on, thanks to a capitalist system that’s designed to keep me poor and tired…again, if I wasn’t married, I might be inclined to do the things you mentioned, but it’s hard to make that leap when my wife (who is just as angry about all this garbage) doesn’t wanna risk our safety and whatever well-being we still have at this point

You don't need to go full guerrila fighter, but basic self defense is important the way things are nowadays. Too much violence going on. At least buy an affordable 9mm and shoot every once in a blue moon. Remember that criminals have no training whatsoever and they are bloody effective at terrorizing society. You should talk seriously about your wife. Go slow about it. Talk about how you fear for safety and stuff. Do you live in a big city?

This is very nihilistic. I understand somewhat, but we are blessed because we had the chance to be born. I completely agree that children are not objects, but I never once said their value is determined by how many adults love them.

I just value life, as imperfect as it can be. I used to be very depressed and wished that I had never been born. It is because I am not that way anymore that I see the beauty in life and the capacity to find purpose in the thing we call life.



And this is why you choose your spouse carefully. Sharing core values is important, but you needn't be identical. We all have things we will not compromise on. It would appear that this isn't a hard-line for Jew D. Boy and you should respect that, even if you disagree. :)

I do respect. Not everyone should own weapons. Mental fitness is important. What i got from his posts is that he isn't against owning guns, he just doesn't own them cause his wife doesn't want them. I think they should talk things out. Most people that are anti-gun are just scared of them. One gun safety class and a few rounds down range can easily fix this.

 

[Okamakama]

I do respect. No everyone should own weapons. Mental fitness is important. What i got from his posts is that he isn't against his guns, he just doesn't own them cause his wife doesn't want them. I think they should talk things out. Most people that are anti-gun are just scared of them. One gun safety class and a few rounds down range can easily fix this.

You know what, mate? Fair point. That may be the case. Maybe I misinterpreted.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

This is very nihilistic. I understand somewhat, but we are blessed because we had the chance to be born. I completely agree that children are not objects, but I never once said their value is determined by how many adults love them.

Saying that kids aren't things or tools is nihilistic in your eyes?
That's not how one defines nihilism in my book... your phrase about being blessed for being born, on the other hand, sounds like you memorized verses from some holy book, written by people you never met.

I just value life

So do I. And this extends to non human life as well.

I have carried blades in the streets since age 13.

Btw this would be ultra illegal in germany

 

[Okamakama]

Saying that kids aren't things or tools is nihilistic in your eyes?
That's not how one defines nihilism in my book... your phrase about being blessed for being born, on the other hand, sounds like you memorized verses from some holy book, written by people you never met.

So do I. And this extends to non human life as well.

Btw this would be ultra illegal in germany

Nihilism is the belief that life and existence have no inherent meaning or value. By asking me if I've ever asked kids if they wanted to be born, you are essentially ascribing a lack of value to life - or insinuating they wouldn't want to be.

As for your second comment, maybe. I am a Christian, but my belief in why to live is a blessing is from personal experience. However, there is a non religious quote by Richard Dawkins that I am fond of:

"We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia.

Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people.

In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here.We privileged few, who won the lottery of birth against all odds, how dare we whine at our inevitable return to that prior state from which the vast majority have never stirred?"

Having battled through depression and a lack of purpose, I now feel blessed to be alive. If you had asked me the question you previously asked 7 years ago, I'd have told you there was no value. We can change. Despite everything I suffered through, and that is something wholly personal to me, I am happy to be born. It is in that knowledge that I know my children could be - regardless of what they must experience.

P.S. I value non-human life too. I adore animals - cows, dogs, ducks, chickens, cats, etc etc.

 

[NAMELESS]

Saying that kids aren't things or tools is nihilistic in your eyes?
That's not how one defines nihilism in my book... your phrase about being blessed for being born, on the other hand, sounds like you memorized verses from some holy book, written by people you never met.

So do I. And this extends to non human life as well.

Btw this would be ultra illegal in germany

There is no law about blades in the Brazilian constitution. There are state laws though and they are all over the place. I could get fined for carrying a large blade, but not arrested. My only fear is getting shot by a stupid military policemen that might think i'm up to no good with my blade.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

She knows I’d go completely off the deep end if given the chance

instead of letting myself go nuts.

Good to know at least that you have some fight in you. If there's one thing that triggers me it's complicit cowards.

Nihilism is the belief that life and existence have no inherent meaning or value. By asking me if I've ever asked kids if they wanted to be born, you are essentially ascribing a lack of value to life - or insinuating they wouldn't want to be.

Wow you're posting a lot of fantasies here and completely misunderstood what I said.

Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people.

Those "greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton" are already alive yet we'll never know about them because they are killed by some man made famine in Africa, some missile in Gaza, some warlord or they're illicitly born second kids during China's one child policy with no access to civil rights nor education, or they live in a rich country and die of cancer, are killed by their own family members, natural catastrophes, snake bites OR they live in a country that has no infrastructure and therefore will never travel outside, or maybe they neither want to leave their place of birth nor have any contact with the outside world.

My point is: there's no need to lose one's mind about millions of potential lives that might be here if we, let's say, banned abortion for example, because neither do we own these human beings nor do they owe us anything.

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[Monkey D Theories]

Listen, i have been baiting these people lately with bad takes about rich people, but since things seem to be looking very shady in America, i will stop this now.

I will drop this here for @Toby D. Dog @Monkey D Theories @Jew D. Boy to remember the American spirit is a fighting one:

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/l...of-allegiance-to-the-united-states-of-america

American spirit is a fighting one. Once Tyranny rises it ugly head, you can't just decide to stay idle and let someone else fix things for you.

I never took that oath, I was just born here

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Your morals are as weak as it gets, you'd feel right at home in good old 40s Germany

I read about what happened to those people living in nazi germany who tried standing up to the government.

tbh, it seems like they died meaningless deaths. They might name a street or something after Sophie Scholl, but it was the Soviets that conquered Berlin, not some activists.

 

[NAMELESS]

I never took that oath, I was just born here

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I read about what happened to those people living in nazi germany who tried standing up to the government.

tbh, it seems like they died meaningless deaths. They might name a street or something after Sophie Scholl, but it was the Soviets that conquered Berlin, not some activists.

Insurgents fought Nazis all over Europe. Look up French and Polish resistance. You didn't take any oath, but your father or grandfather probably did, American-Indian-Jew dude.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

I never took that oath, I was just born here

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I read about what happened to those people living in nazi germany who tried standing up to the government.

tbh, it seems like they died meaningless deaths. They might name a street or something after Sophie Scholl, but it was the Soviets that conquered Berlin, not some activists.

If you are an american you must defend the staple of its constitution, otherwise what's the point of being one?

Saying "I was born in america I did not swear an oath" sounds disingenous. It's the ultimate escapism. Being part of a culture and having a nationality should mean something, sharing a culture and common ideals. Otherwise you just reinforce the stereotype of the immigrate that comes only for the money.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

If you are an american you must defend the staple of its constitution, otherwise what's the point of being one?

Saying "I was born in america I did not swear an oath" sounds disingenous. It's the ultimate escapism. Being part of a culture and having a nationality should mean something, sharing a culture and common ideals. Otherwise you just reinforce the stereotype of the immigrate that comes only for the money.

He is just a rage baiter.