Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

At this point I don't know what the fuck I can say then.
If I say that I simply don't care for his death (I don't even think he deserved death I just don't care), I get flak for it
I say he should have been in an institution, I get flak for it
I say he deserves any type of punishment, I get flak for it
At this point who cares. Let's just keep letting horrible people like him and Trump run amuck because you're all too much of a pussy to stand on 10 toes with your beliefs and try to get these people out of a position of power.

This is what being political means. It's about the conflict of value. That's why I'm saying that fascism will make you choose and it's gonna be hard. Because there are no safe options.

Political courage is the idea to stand by what you believe while trying to be the most ethical possible about it.

It's ok to think that you shouldn't have to shed tears for the guy. Noone on the left will blame you for that.

So wishing death on gay people isn't a mentally ill thing?

It can be
But it is mostly indoctrinated people and/or bigoted ones

No it's not.
It's a polical thing. It's the result of a political conditionning. Not something that comes from an illness or a trouble.

Just like Corruption is often a false equivalent to explain the structural problem of the system.

That's why I'm telling you guy to stop individualizing things and look at problem in a systemic, structural and more materialistic (in the philosophical sense) way. You will have a much better understanding of problem that way.

 

[Midnight Delight]

The political thread really is the place where some users show their true colors.

That place is filled with so much toxicity and hatred.

Then don't visit it tbh

 

[NAMELESS]

It can be
But it is mostly indoctrinated people and/or bigoted ones

its not really an illness, or there are huge ass number of people who are mentally ill

Saying they are mentally ill diminishes their responsibility about what they are saying or doing

He did cite the Old Testament to showcase that God always condemned homosexuality. Christians follow the New Testament. I don't think Charlie was saying that homosexuals were to be put to death. This a bad faith argument.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

This is what being political means. It's about the conflict of value. That's why I'm saying that fascism will make you choose and it's gonna be hard. Because there are no safe options.

Political courage is the idea to stand by what you believe while trying to be the most ethical possible about it.

It's ok to think that you shouldn't have to shed tears for the guy. Noone on the left will blame you for that.




No it's not.
It's a polical thing. It's the result of a political conditionning. Not something that comes from an illness or a trouble.

Just like Corruption is often a false equivalent to explain the structural problem of the system.

That's why I'm telling you guy to stop individualizing things and look at problem in a systemic, structural and more materialistic (in the philosophical sense) way. You will have a much better understanding of problem that way.

lol

 

[Uncle Van]

*AMERICANS.

Still flip flopping when it is convenient

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I don't think Charlie was saying that homosexuals were to be put to death.

I can see why the politics thread gets such a bad rep when people say shit like this unironically.

 

[Logiko]

lol

Why lol ? is there something funny with materialism ?

 

[NAMELESS]

I can see why the politics thread gets such a bad rep when people say shit like this unironically.

You do know Christians follow the New Testament.

John 8:1-11

New Living Translation



A Woman Caught in Adultery
8 Jesus returned to the Mount of Olives, 2 but early the next morning he was back again at the Temple. A crowd soon gathered, and he sat down and taught them. 3 As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of the crowd.
4 “Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”
6 They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. 7 They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” 8 Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust.
9 When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. 10 Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”
11 “No, Lord,” she said.
And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.”

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

You do know Christians follow the New Testament.

John 8:1-11

New Living Translation



A Woman Caught in Adultery
8 Jesus returned to the Mount of Olives, 2 but early the next morning he was back again at the Temple. A crowd soon gathered, and he sat down and taught them. 3 As he was speaking, the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in the act of adultery. They put her in front of the crowd.
4 “Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?”
6 They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. 7 They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” 8 Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust.
9 When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. 10 Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”
11 “No, Lord,” she said.
And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more.”

He quoted the old testament and then said it's the perfect response to gay people
You don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand the implications

 

[Jew D. Boy]

I understand they're human, that's not under dispute, durr, at the end of the day, They're here Illegally.
If they want to get in line and join the USA legally, By all means let them.
Everything else you said TL/DR, is just your cope and delusion.

You are such a callous prick, I’m genuinely a little impressed that you manage to find a new rock bottom every time you post your jingoistic bullshit. You’re being willfully obtuse by making it about legal status; he was celebrating the misery of people he didn’t know, that tells me he was cruel and loved pretending like he was the only moral authority in town. Honestly, I have no clue why anyone would want to immigrate to this country anyway when there are so many colossal fiends like him and you; they’re better off going to an actual first world nation, because people of your ilk have made this place a real shithole.

It’s two different subjects

You can be against his views about immigrants and still be against him being killed

him having those ideas doesn’t mean he deserved to be killed

to be fought, to be named and shit but not killed

Did I say in my post that he deserved it? He advocated for violence under the guise of justice; dead or alive, that’s bully behavior, and I absolutely believe he should be excoriated for it even from beyond the grave.

 

[NAMELESS]

He quoted the old testament and then said it's the perfect response to gay people
You don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand the implications

If he did, shame on him. I would still like to see where he said this. The actual source material.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Conservatives loved lynching people for their skin color so....

You mean democrates that build KKK?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

It can be
But it is mostly indoctrinated people and/or bigoted ones

its not really an illness, or there are huge ass number of people who are mentally ill

Saying they are mentally ill diminishes their responsibility about what they are saying or doing

The accusation of mental illness has become the go to way to discredit people who express opinions one disagrees with.

Eg if homosexuality is a mental illness to some, so can be homophobia to others

 

[Uncle Van]

You mean democrates that build KKK?

Your point being? Seriously you guys are saying a lot of nothing.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

Your point being? Seriously you guys are saying a lot of nothing.

"Muhhh I want to say republicans are racists when democrats literally made a clan to hunt down black people"

 

[Uncle Van]

"Muhhh I want to say republicans are racists when democrats literally made a clan to hunt down black people"

Again, what point are you trying to make?

The KKK was founded by confederates who supported the democratic party, the party that was fighting to keep slaves. Democratic President Andrew Johnson tried undoing policies that Ab Lincoln implemented and violated the constitution, which got him impeached. The democratic party even funded the resurgence of the KKK in the 1910s-1920s, with Democratic Pres Woodrow Wilson having dinner with them in the White House. He even vocally defended them



But naw let's call it fake.

 

[NAMELESS]

Your point being? Seriously, you guys are saying a lot of nothing.

Finally found footage showing the shooting from all angles on YT. Charlie wasn't going to survive this. Do we have any information on what he was shot with? Looked like rifle bullet at work. Why is people think the shooter was among the crowd.

 

[Ravagerblade]

The problem is that political violence happens all the time in America, and people pick n' choose when it's bad depending on their political agenda. Because of simple disagreements, they use Charlie Kirk's death was a tool to push their political beliefs. One side says he is the embodiment of evil and had it coming, while the other says his death is indicative of leftists in general.

People will use anything they can to justify their beliefs and actions.

Sorry but there's more to it than what you're saying.
It's the Media, it's South Park, it shouldn't but it does.
Portrayal by these things will motivate people to do stupid shit

 

[Logiko]

You mean democrates that build KKK?

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...did-not-found-kkk-start-civil-war/3253803001/

 

[Ravagerblade]

Your point?



Conservatives loved lynching people for their skin color so....

That's false. Why ate you lying. Shouldn't be surprised though.