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I mean, it's not like I made up the phrase myself. It was created by economists to describe the events on how capitalism lead to facism taking root in countries like Italy and Germany.
The end result of capitalism is always monopoly capitalism, and then starts to decay of the economy ans society. Monopoly capitalism slows down the economy due to wealth hoarding, which in term increases inflation and unemployment. The Great Depression of 1929 that shook the global economy was due to monopoly capitalism, and social unrest was at an all time high. When the government can longer keep up with the needs of the people, they need to resort to violence in order to start rejuvenating the nation, and need a scapegoat to direct the ire of the people.
Italy under Mussolini blamed socialist and the US, Germany falling into the hands of Adolf Hitler blamed Jews and communists. Even America played that game by blaming Mexicans.
The end result of capitalism is always monopoly capitalism, and then starts to decay of the economy ans society. Monopoly capitalism slows down the economy due to wealth hoarding, which in term increases inflation and unemployment. The Great Depression of 1929 that shook the global economy was due to monopoly capitalism, and social unrest was at an all time high. When the government can longer keep up with the needs of the people, they need to resort to violence in order to start rejuvenating the nation, and need a scapegoat to direct the ire of the people.
Italy under Mussolini blamed socialist and the US, Germany falling into the hands of Adolf Hitler blamed Jews and communists. Even America played that game by blaming Mexicans.
No. Once again you are equating me distancing myself from or criticizing your biases with me calling you a biggot. I don't think you are Ravager or Nameless or Hererra bro.
Stop twisting my words pleazze.
Ok let's start:
FIRST : In your first sentence you critic "overly getto black people" as if it's something bad to be a getto black people. This comes from the domination system that is "whiteness" (I won't explain it here go look for socialogical ressources about it) that considers (but not only) that black people should be silent or more "civilized" in white spaces or as a lot of white people call it : "civilized spaces".
The fact that you are showing me a kid just vibing, without context or so, about the fact that he should play the system while not understanding that its the main solution people have to fight white supremacy in a systemically racist society tells me that you have major racist biases/massive conservative biases that equate to "look they are stealing OUR money" > They as "these low class people"
Yeah, you don't say all of this. But this is what systemism is. This is what sociology is here for. You don't have to speak to be heard by black people. They will see RIGHT THROUGH your whiteness mindset.
SECOND : And this will be very fast because I've already used all my patronizing credits. By explaining to me that you can't criticize women without being called a misogynist, you are showing me you still don't understand why we should not do this type of essentializationg about women or perpetuate the idea that somehow women are wrong in criticizing you when you are criticizing them.
The overally patronizing POV you are taking, screams "man who don't like when women are calling him a mysogynist when he actually is being one" Again, it's the reactionnary idea that there is something wrong with feminism.
Women on the left, just like black people before that, would see this sentence and raise red flags. For those two reason, I can't call you an ally of leftism yet. And I bet nothing here will make you understand that there was problem.
Prove me wrong.
No.
Media literacy.
Stop twisting my words pleazze.
Ok let's start:
FIRST : In your first sentence you critic "overly getto black people" as if it's something bad to be a getto black people. This comes from the domination system that is "whiteness" (I won't explain it here go look for socialogical ressources about it) that considers (but not only) that black people should be silent or more "civilized" in white spaces or as a lot of white people call it : "civilized spaces".
The fact that you are showing me a kid just vibing, without context or so, about the fact that he should play the system while not understanding that its the main solution people have to fight white supremacy in a systemically racist society tells me that you have major racist biases/massive conservative biases that equate to "look they are stealing OUR money" > They as "these low class people"
Yeah, you don't say all of this. But this is what systemism is. This is what sociology is here for. You don't have to speak to be heard by black people. They will see RIGHT THROUGH your whiteness mindset.
SECOND : And this will be very fast because I've already used all my patronizing credits. By explaining to me that you can't criticize women without being called a misogynist, you are showing me you still don't understand why we should not do this type of essentializationg about women or perpetuate the idea that somehow women are wrong in criticizing you when you are criticizing them.
The overally patronizing POV you are taking, screams "man who don't like when women are calling him a mysogynist when he actually is being one" Again, it's the reactionnary idea that there is something wrong with feminism.
Women on the left, just like black people before that, would see this sentence and raise red flags. For those two reason, I can't call you an ally of leftism yet. And I bet nothing here will make you understand that there was problem.
Prove me wrong.
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No.
Media literacy.
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What do you think I mean when I say overly ghetto black people?
I mean the people who act like walking stereotypes. They loot, they participate in gang violence, they dress inappropriately, take very poor care of their kids, etc.
Those types of ghetto black people are a genuine problem. Do you think it's good parenting for your child to be on the internet saying he'll have 8 children and an ugly girlfriend while doing almost nothing to improve his life and purposefully stay in a dangerous and run down environment?
Saying that they're forced into it because of a systemically racist society removes all individuality, intelligence and free will from these people. I know several black men that are relatively good men- They love their wives and children, raised their children right, are in a safe neighbourhood, don't participate in any criminal activity, etc.
Not everyone HAS to cave to societal pressure and bigotry. A lot of people just CHOOSE to do so.
I never said there's anything wrong with feminism. I myself advocate for feminism and have found my self completely agreeing with feminists on several occasions. All I said is that it's fine to criticize a woman if she says something weird, i.e "It's fine for a woman to hit a man". That's highly abusive behavior and spreading it around can be dangerous for everyone, ESPECIALLY if it's done towards a man who has no self control or desire to simply restrain her and goes straight to WAILING on her in defense.
It's not bad to call such a thing out considering how it doesn't help neither men or women whatsoever. If you were really as politically aware as you claimed, you would know that treating women like princesses is the exact behavior that feminism is against. If you yearn for equality so badly, then apply that to basically everything. Don't put either gender on a pedestal in any case.
I mean the people who act like walking stereotypes. They loot, they participate in gang violence, they dress inappropriately, take very poor care of their kids, etc.
Those types of ghetto black people are a genuine problem. Do you think it's good parenting for your child to be on the internet saying he'll have 8 children and an ugly girlfriend while doing almost nothing to improve his life and purposefully stay in a dangerous and run down environment?
Saying that they're forced into it because of a systemically racist society removes all individuality, intelligence and free will from these people. I know several black men that are relatively good men- They love their wives and children, raised their children right, are in a safe neighbourhood, don't participate in any criminal activity, etc.
Not everyone HAS to cave to societal pressure and bigotry. A lot of people just CHOOSE to do so.
I never said there's anything wrong with feminism. I myself advocate for feminism and have found my self completely agreeing with feminists on several occasions. All I said is that it's fine to criticize a woman if she says something weird, i.e "It's fine for a woman to hit a man". That's highly abusive behavior and spreading it around can be dangerous for everyone, ESPECIALLY if it's done towards a man who has no self control or desire to simply restrain her and goes straight to WAILING on her in defense.
It's not bad to call such a thing out considering how it doesn't help neither men or women whatsoever. If you were really as politically aware as you claimed, you would know that treating women like princesses is the exact behavior that feminism is against. If you yearn for equality so badly, then apply that to basically everything. Don't put either gender on a pedestal in any case.
It's not about what you mean. Our interpretation of your words does not belong to you.
If you intend to prove me right, please, keep talking.
And that's why I can't consider you an ally of leftism.
There is a gap of systemic understanding that you need to cross first. Something that would need a daily labor of sociological demonstrations..
Rejecting systemic racism like that will simply alienate every racialized people, activist and overall human sciences scholar on the left around you
"Some of them are good" oh my goda
You don't have to.
That's not what you said tho
Indeed. It's bad. But that's not what I'm telling you here.
You mean universalism ? That's not how leftism works. In fact leftism is the opposite of the universalist mindset.
If you intend to prove me right, please, keep talking.
And that's why I can't consider you an ally of leftism.
There is a gap of systemic understanding that you need to cross first. Something that would need a daily labor of sociological demonstrations..
Rejecting systemic racism like that will simply alienate every racialized people, activist and overall human sciences scholar on the left around you
"Some of them are good" oh my goda
You don't have to.
That's not what you said tho
Indeed. It's bad. But that's not what I'm telling you here.
You mean universalism ? That's not how leftism works. In fact leftism is the opposite of the universalist mindset.
Yeah of course you're trying to twist my words into the "You're one of the good ones!" shit
I mean, sure, I'm a racist and a misogynist. You got me.
Black people are all evil thugs. Women belong in the kitchen. And even though I'm a black man who's been raised by women my whole life this totally makes sense for me to hate both groups.
You're so right bro.
I mean, sure, I'm a racist and a misogynist. You got me.
Black people are all evil thugs. Women belong in the kitchen. And even though I'm a black man who's been raised by women my whole life this totally makes sense for me to hate both groups.
You're so right bro.
Can you tell me if I'm tripping or not here?
Is this all not nonsensical to say?
It's not about what you mean. Our interpretation of your words does not belong to you.
If you intend to prove me right, please, keep talking.
And that's why I can't consider you an ally of leftism.
There is a gap of systemic understanding that you need to cross first. Something that would need a daily labor of sociological demonstrations..
Rejecting systemic racism like that will simply alienate every racialized people, activist and overall human sciences scholar on the left around you
"Some of them are good" oh my goda
You don't have to.
That's not what you said tho
Indeed. It's bad. But that's not what I'm telling you here.
You mean universalism ? That's not how leftism works. In fact leftism is the opposite of the universalist mindset.
If you intend to prove me right, please, keep talking.
And that's why I can't consider you an ally of leftism.
There is a gap of systemic understanding that you need to cross first. Something that would need a daily labor of sociological demonstrations..
Rejecting systemic racism like that will simply alienate every racialized people, activist and overall human sciences scholar on the left around you
"Some of them are good" oh my goda
You don't have to.
That's not what you said tho
Indeed. It's bad. But that's not what I'm telling you here.
You mean universalism ? That's not how leftism works. In fact leftism is the opposite of the universalist mindset.
That's not it, because I also enjoy it (sometimes) and like to argue on it.
He just refuses to be wrong, no matter what.
Even if you tell him 1+1 = 2, he'd walk the earth trying to find a way to prove it's actually 3.
It's not that he enjoys to argue, he just enjoys to feel correct, no matter if he actually is correct.
He just refuses to be wrong, no matter what.
Even if you tell him 1+1 = 2, he'd walk the earth trying to find a way to prove it's actually 3.
It's not that he enjoys to argue, he just enjoys to feel correct, no matter if he actually is correct.
Wait if you’re just living in an unsafe area how is that bad
Everyone has to live somewhere.
“Several black men are RELATIVELY good people. I mean they have a wife and kids and live in my neighborhood!” The reason we think you’re racist is every good person gets swept up in your “overly ghetto black people” shit and then just “not dressing right” has you making judgements like “look how ghetto these black guys are. Reee why can’t I talk about what a problem they are. I mean I even have black friends.” Well, plenty of people might be from the “ghettos,” some might have family or friends there, and they plain disagree with you that “we need to talk about how these overly ghetto black kids aren’t speaking right” or whatever and think your focusing on that issue is weird. Why do we need to talk about how reeee this black kid is sagging or whatever in a one piece server? Wtf? And go to some rural white kids lmfao ever play Xbox live
And can you name some specific things you’ve been called misogynist over? Usually it will be called out when you make comments about how “women do this or that.” If it’s about like “equal rights equal fights” or whatever, it can be quite justifiably scary for a woman to hear a male friend say if a woman hits him he will gladly hit her back. Even if “justified” most will probably fear you more if they know you wouldn’t do it just because you don’t want to cause serious harm.
Everyone has to live somewhere.
“Several black men are RELATIVELY good people. I mean they have a wife and kids and live in my neighborhood!” The reason we think you’re racist is every good person gets swept up in your “overly ghetto black people” shit and then just “not dressing right” has you making judgements like “look how ghetto these black guys are. Reee why can’t I talk about what a problem they are. I mean I even have black friends.” Well, plenty of people might be from the “ghettos,” some might have family or friends there, and they plain disagree with you that “we need to talk about how these overly ghetto black kids aren’t speaking right” or whatever and think your focusing on that issue is weird. Why do we need to talk about how reeee this black kid is sagging or whatever in a one piece server? Wtf? And go to some rural white kids lmfao ever play Xbox live
And can you name some specific things you’ve been called misogynist over? Usually it will be called out when you make comments about how “women do this or that.” If it’s about like “equal rights equal fights” or whatever, it can be quite justifiably scary for a woman to hear a male friend say if a woman hits him he will gladly hit her back. Even if “justified” most will probably fear you more if they know you wouldn’t do it just because you don’t want to cause serious harm.