Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

A terrorist organisation...

and, if you can't distinguish then who the fuck are we to tell Israel what they should do and what they shouldn't?

West has done destabilization of Africa, Asia including Middle East in the past with no accountability.

Both Israel and Hamas needs to be held accountable for their actions and Palestinians deserve the state...

A terrorist organization in the eyes of the west, not in the eyes of international laws. You need to understand VERY CLEARLY which refers to the subjectivity of a state or not on a group of fighters. Everyone rebels are terrorists for an oppressive state.

"Who the fuck are we to say what Israel should do or not"??

Being there such things called international LAW and ETHICS.

- Colonizing a country > Unethical
- Resisting an oppressor even through armed conflict > Ethical
- Resisting an oppressor with war crimes > Unethical
- Genociding a country > Unethical
- Apartheid > Unethical

This is the types of BASIC ethical conclusion that you guys are ALL capable of understanding in stories like One Piece, but because of your reactionnary biases, for some reason here, you are not even able to distinguish the BASIC ethical action from the BASIC unethical one.

West has done destabilization of Africa, Asia including Middle East in the past with no accountability.

AND? Because you neightboor beats his wife, you think it gives you the right to do it too?

Both Israel and Hamas needs to be held accountable for their actions and Palestinians deserve the state...

Yeah. That's what International Laws are for. But observe your reactionnary bias here:

When you consider (legitimately) that both party needs to be held accountable, your are ONLY denying the legitimacy of the existence of Hamas and at no point I see you explaining that Israel as a state should not exist....

When in reality, Israel is an oppressive, genocidal, apartheid and colonizing state that by nature can't exist without being oppressive when Hamas is simply a political group, that despite being responsible for war crimes and autoritarists tendancies does not hold the same oppressive and colonial intrensic nature. As such, where Hamas could evolve and become a benefic partyfor the population, Israel is a state that can only be colonial as it's standing in a stolen land.

So yeah.

Hamas AND Israel leaders and those who participated in the killings of october 7th must be brought to justice, but Israel, must be systematically dismantled and replaced by a binational state including both Israelian and Palestinian as it is the ONLY way peace will be restored.

 

[Reborn]

A terrorist organization in the eyes of the west, not in the eyes of international laws. You need to understand VERY CLEARLY which refers to the subjectivity of a state or not on a group of fighters. Everyone rebels are terrorists for an oppressive state.

"Who the fuck are we to say what Israel should do or not"??

Being there such things called international LAW and ETHICS.

- Colonizing a country > Unethical
- Resisting an oppressor even through armed conflict > Ethical
- Resisting an oppressor with war crimes > Unethical
- Genociding a country > Unethical
- Apartheid > Unethical

This is the types of BASIC ethical conclusion that you guys are ALL capable of understanding in stories like One Piece, but because of your reactionnary biases, for some reason here, you are not even able to distinguish the BASIC ethical action from the BASIC unethical one.



AND? Because you neightboor beats his wife, you think it gives you the right to do it too?



Yeah. That's what International Laws are for. But observe your reactionnary bias here:

When you consider (legitimately) that both party needs to be held accountable, your are ONLY denying the legitimacy of the existence of Hamas and at no point I see you explaining that Israel as a state should not exist....

When in reality, Israel is an oppressive, genocidal, apartheid and colonizing state that by nature can't exist without being oppressive when Hamas is simply a political group, that despite being responsible for war crimes and autoritarists tendancies does not hold the same oppressive and colonial intrensic nature. As such, where Hamas could evolve and become a benefic partyfor the population, Israel is a state that can only be colonial as it's standing in a stolen land.

So yeah.

Hamas AND Israel leaders and those who participated in the killings of october 7th must be brought to justice, but Israel, must be systematically dismantled and replaced by a binational state including both Israelian and Palestinian as it is the ONLY way peace will be restored.

Pardon my language but you have to be delusional to think both Israelis and Palestinians can co-exist in the same state now.


You are so far away from reality that you made sociological theories as your reality.

The hatred between Israel and Palestinians runs so deep right now even two states won't solve this problem - well, atleast it's better than nothing like now.


And, stop trying to justify Hamas. I clearly said Palestinians deserve the state but Hamas needs to go - a terrorist organisation in the power would not solve anything.

Palestinians need their own government.

And, Israel needs to be held accountable for War crimes.


As I said, you have to be delusional and far away from reality to even consider Hamas as a possibility.

 

[AverageBuggyEnjoyer]

Reading the thread today had me dying...never change @Logiko

 

[sanjikun]

It's more nuanced than that.

But no matter what happened, it's not up to us to impose anything on them. The contrary would be imperialism and it's a whitesupremacist, unethical and dehumanizing vision of the world.

Bro are you on crack? Saying a bunch of terrorists stopped having elections is "imperalist and white supremacist" is straight up brainwashed garbage.

They're denying their OWN people elections, when they only won by 3% in 2006. That's what dictators do.

 

[Reborn]

Bro are you on crack? Saying a bunch of terrorists stopped having elections is "imperalist and white supremacist" is straight up brainwashed garbage.

They're denying their OWN people elections, when they only won by 3% in 2006. That's what dictators do.

Bruh it won't matter to these morality preachers.

They will turn blind eye to it.

Taliban is widely recognised as a terrorist organization. UN has imposed sanctions on many of it's leaders. Even Haqqani network is recognised as terror outfit.


And, look what's going on in Afghanistan - women are going through exclusion...they don't have access to even secondary education. Their movements and participation are restricted.

Recently, they even banned fibre optic internet and have heavy censorship on press and speech.

Public executions for moral crimes are taking place.

And, this is just the tip of the iceberg

Yet, these so called moral preachers won't say a word why? Because it doesn't serve their agenda or bring them into limelight.

And, now they will defend Hamas to take power in Palestine and when things would become worse, they will turn blind eye to it.

Bunch of hypocrites....

 

[Midnight Delight]

Hamas and their allies in Sinai have been massacring Christians for a while now lmao, there's a reason to why people are predicting a mass Influx of Copts the Moment Sisi falls from power

 

[Logiko]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1970881039812661432

Pardon my language but you have to be delusional to think both Israelis and Palestinians can co-exist in the same state now.

I keep telling you guyz and girlz..

In this thread I'm the ONLY simili-materialist (at least in my knowledge). I'm not thinking with ideas, but with material realities. (which is the reason why I'm a pain in the ass for everyone, even leftists)

Here, it's simple socio-political logic, this is not only possible but inevitable.

The reasons people enter in conflict are material NOT ideological. You know, the very concept that I keep bringing up. This means poverty, this means institutionnal security, this means political safety etc. There is absolutely NO reasons for conflict to arise on a big scale if a equitable state is created. In fact, it can even be a major advancement for the state of the entire world and create a snowball effect.

The hatred between Israel and Palestinians runs so deep right now even two states won't solve this problem - well, atleast it's better than nothing like now.

Again, as I said, you are reasonning with ideas, and not material realities.

Hatred has no place in a world where people can live is the right material conditions of existence, we are a social specie by nature. As such hatred is not something that remains when people remain in good material conditions of existence.

Man has never been a wolf to man.

And, stop trying to justify Hamas. I clearly said Palestinians deserve the state but Hamas needs to go - a terrorist organisation in the power would not solve anything.

Palestinian will deal with Hamas as they see fit. You can have your vision just like I can explain to you that it's not up to us to think for the population of the global south.

Hamas is a resistance group. This is not an idea or a justification, this is a factual data. They are LEGITIMATE in their resistance against an oppressive an colonial state, just like the french resistance was legitimate in the resistance against Nazism or any other country against oppressive regime.

You better swallow that. Because if you refuse oppressed people to be legitimate in their resistance, we will have a problem.

The fact that a resistance group or a state do war crimes doesn't change their nature, it does not magically transform them into terrorist. That is the rethoric of the oppressor.

Let me give you a simple and very CLEAR exemple for you because I see that you are struggling here :

The rebels in Star Wars did something that Hamas would never be able to do in its ENTIRE existence. 2 MILLION people - from maintenance workers to army members - were active on the death star when it exploded because of Luke.

And yet, would you consider Luke as a terrorist ?

THis is a basic ethical test to make you understand the importance of contextual informations.

You and others here need to understand something very important. What you guy are doing in this thread has a name, it's call "morality". YOu are treating situations based on a moral point of view quasi universalistic.

But that's not how reality works. In reality, context matters.

Hamas is not fighting in the void, it's fighting an oppressive, colonizing and apartheid regime. As such they are legitimate in their action. The only problem is that a resistance is never like in movies, it's never clean, and many people go too far. Here they killed children and civilian and abducted children. Which is an ethical problem as children are never responsible and should be spared from anything. SO, they made a war crime on top of their action.

But tell that to people who lived under the threat of a shotgun, mass oppression and dehumanization all their lives... not that easy.

Context matter.

It's not up to me to consider Hamas as a possibility, it's for Palestinian to decide. I'm refusing to perpetuate the racist and imperialist thinking that I'm better equiped to judge the choices of global south's populations better than said populations themselves. And you should do the same.

Reading the thread today had me dying...never change @Logiko

Bro are you on crack? Saying a bunch of terrorists stopped having elections is "imperalist and white supremacist" is straight up brainwashed garbage.

I told you "banana" and you interpretated "Kiwi"

That's what dictators do.

It's not for us to intervene in this. Unless said people are asking for DIRECT help. Stop your imperialist wired brain from thinking that you are better equiped for deciding the future of a people than said people.

They want dictature ? Let them have dictature. They want to end dictature? Let them fight their OWN battle and only intervene if they ASK YOU for help or if you see that they are in complete incapacity to ask you for help

That's basic respect that every human should learn to understand

I see that you have a Luffy picture. Maybe it's time for you to REALLY understand why he acts like he does and why he does NOT intervene in conflict unless people are DIRECTLY asking him for help or are showing to him direct evidences that they want help.

As an handicap person, this is one of the MAIN things that I wish people would understand. You are not saviors, your are not masters, so quit trying to impose your benevolence on people that have their OWN fight and OWN cross to bear. It's dehumanizing.

Do I believe Hamas is a danger for Palestinians? Yes.
Will I fight as a westerner for Hamas to go? No. It's not my fight. It's not my place. It's for Palestinians to decide.

BUT

Palestinian directly asked us to help them destroy the threat of their oppressor which is the colonial state of Israel. So I will do what I can to help them do just that. And you should do to. This is the ethical things to do.

 

[Reborn]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1970881039812661432

I keep telling you guyz and girlz..

In this thread I'm the ONLY simili-materialist (at least in my knowledge). I'm not thinking with ideas, but with material realities. (which is the reason why I'm a pain in the ass for everyone, even leftists)

Here, it's simple socio-political logic, this is not only possible but inevitable.

The reasons people enter in conflict are material NOT ideological. You know, the very concept that I keep bringing up. This means poverty, this means institutionnal security, this means political safety etc. There is absolutely NO reasons for conflict to arise on a big scale if a equitable state is created. In fact, it can even be a major advancement for the state of the entire world and create a snowball effect.


Again, as I said, you are reasonning with ideas, and not material realities.

Hatred has no place in a world where people can live is the right material conditions of existence, we are a social specie by nature. As such hatred is not something that remains when people remain in good material conditions of existence.

Man has never been a wolf to man.



Palestinian will deal with Hamas as they see fit. You can have your vision just like I can explain to you that it's not up to us to think for the population of the global south.

Hamas is a resistance group. This is not an idea or a justification, this is a factual data. They are LEGITIMATE in their resistance against an oppressive an colonial state, just like the french resistance was legitimate in the resistance against Nazism or any other country against oppressive regime.

You better swallow that. Because if you refuse oppressed people to be legitimate in their resistance, we will have a problem.

The fact that a resistance group or a state do war crimes doesn't change their nature, it does not magically transform them into terrorist. That is the rethoric of the oppressor.

Let me give you a simple and very CLEAR exemple for you because I see that you are struggling here :

The rebels in Star Wars did something that Hamas would never be able to do in its ENTIRE existence. 2 MILLION people - from maintenance workers to army members - were active on the death star when it exploded because of Luke.

And yet, would you consider Luke as a terrorist ?

THis is a basic ethical test to make you understand the importance of contextual informations.

You and others here need to understand something very important. What you guy are doing in this thread has a name, it's call "morality". YOu are treating situations based on a moral point of view quasi universalistic.

But that's not how reality works. In reality, context matters.

Hamas is not fighting in the void, it's fighting an oppressive, colonizing and apartheid regime. As such they are legitimate in their action. The only problem is that a resistance is never like in movies, it's never clean, and many people go too far. Here they killed children and civilian and abducted children. Which is an ethical problem as children are never responsible and should be spared from anything. SO, they made a war crime on top of their action.

But tell that to people who lived under the threat of a shotgun, mass oppression and dehumanization all their lives... not that easy.

Context matter.

It's not up to me to consider Hamas as a possibility, it's for Palestinian to decide. I'm refusing to perpetuate the racist and imperialist thinking that I'm better equiped to judge the choices of global south's populations better than said populations themselves. And you should do the same.





I told you "banana" and you interpretated "Kiwi"



It's not for us to intervene in this. Unless said people are asking for DIRECT help. Stop your imperialist wired brain from thinking that you are better equiped for deciding the future of a people than said people.

They want dictature ? Let them have dictature. They want to end dictature? Let them fight their OWN battle and only intervene if they ASK YOU for help or if you see that they are in complete incapacity to ask you for help

That's basic respect that every human should learn to understand

I see that you have a Luffy picture. Maybe it's time for you to REALLY understand why he acts like he does and why he does NOT intervene in conflict unless people are DIRECTLY asking him for help or are showing to him direct evidences that they want help.

As an handicap person, this is one of the MAIN things that I wish people would understand. You are not saviors, your are not masters, so quit trying to impose your benevolence on people that have their OWN fight and OWN cross to bear. It's dehumanizing.

Do I believe Hamas is a danger for Palestinians? Yes.
Will I fight as a westerner for Hamas to go? No. It's not my fight. It's not my place. It's for Palestinians to decide.

BUT

Palestinian directly asked us to help them destroy the threat of their oppressor which is the colonial state of Israel. So I will do what I can to help them do just that. And you should do to. This is the ethical things to do.

TLDR

 

[BleakAsh]

Muslim hate from the political right wing is not theological... Its zionist politics.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOooSz1DR1y/?igsh=a2t6cmR0MjNmd2s0

 

[Logiko]

TLDR

 

[BleakAsh]

Hamas and their allies in Sinai have been massacring Christians for a while now lmao, there's a reason to why people are predicting a mass Influx of Copts the Moment Sisi falls from power

Quesiton : Has Hamas Massacred Christians in Sinai Region in Egypt


Chatgpt:

I did not find credible evidence that Hamas has carried out any massacres or killings of Christians in the Egyptian Sinai region. What is documented are multiple attacks on Christians in Sinai (and elsewhere in Egypt) by other militant groups, especially those affiliated with the Islamic State (ISIS/Daesh), as well as instances of kidnapping, assassinations, and displacement.

Here’s a summary of what I discovered in Sinai:

What is documented in Sinai affecting Christians

• ISIS/Daesh activity:
  There are well-documented cases of Christians being murdered in North Sinai by Islamic State‑affiliated militant groups. For example, in 2021, the Egyptian security forces neutralized three militants involved in the execution of a Coptic Christian man, reportedly carried out by Daesh in North Sinai. (Anadolu Ajansı)
• Displacement and fleeing:
  Many Coptic Christian families have fled Al‑Arish (a city in North Sinai) because of a series of violent attacks. (BBC)
  According to Amnesty International: “Coptic Christians in North Sinai hunted down and murdered by armed groups.” (Amnesty International)
• Kidnappings, assassinations:
  There are reports of Christians being specifically targeted — abducted, shot, or murdered — by Islamist militants in North Sinai. (Amnesty International)
  Example: a Christian father and son were killed by IS operatives near Al‑Qantara East (which is near Sinai, or adjacent governorate) in 2022. (csw.org.uk)

What isn’t supported by evidence

• No sources attribute such killings in Sinai to Hamas. The perpetrators are generally identified as ISIS affiliates or other Islamist militant groups.
• No verifiable mass “massacre” event (many people killed at once for being Christian) in Sinai is clearly linked to Hamas.

If you like, I can try to pull up academic / human rights investigations to see if there are any less‑publicized claims implicating Hamas in Sinai, so we have a more complete picture.

 

[Zenos7]

The reasons people enter in conflict are material NOT ideological.

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Muslim hate from the political right wing is not theological... Its zionist politics.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOooSz1DR1y/?igsh=a2t6cmR0MjNmd2s0

not mutually exclusive

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I keep telling you guyz and girlz..

In this thread I'm the ONLY simili-materialist (at least in my knowledge). I'm not thinking with ideas, but with material realities. (which is the reason why I'm a pain in the ass for everyone, even leftists)

Here, it's simple socio-political logic, this is not only possible but inevitable.

The reasons people enter in conflict are material NOT ideological. You know, the very concept that I keep bringing up. This means poverty, this means institutionnal security, this means political safety etc. There is absolutely NO reasons for conflict to arise on a big scale if a equitable state is created. In fact, it can even be a major advancement for the state of the entire world and create a snowball effect

So you are saying that only people who are personally experiencing a lack of funds, institutionnal security and political safety may ever sympathize with and adhere to progressive or left values?

That's not how it works. The belief that equal rights for everyone is the way to go is inherently tied to ideology.

 

[BleakAsh]

not mutually exclusive

But is mutually true.

Zionist politics heavily influences Right wing views about Islam and Muslims right?

 

[Rej]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1970881039812661432

I keep telling you guyz and girlz..

In this thread I'm the ONLY simili-materialist (at least in my knowledge). I'm not thinking with ideas, but with material realities. (which is the reason why I'm a pain in the ass for everyone, even leftists)

Here, it's simple socio-political logic, this is not only possible but inevitable.

The reasons people enter in conflict are material NOT ideological. You know, the very concept that I keep bringing up. This means poverty, this means institutionnal security, this means political safety etc. There is absolutely NO reasons for conflict to arise on a big scale if a equitable state is created. In fact, it can even be a major advancement for the state of the entire world and create a snowball effect.


Again, as I said, you are reasonning with ideas, and not material realities.

Hatred has no place in a world where people can live is the right material conditions of existence, we are a social specie by nature. As such hatred is not something that remains when people remain in good material conditions of existence.

Man has never been a wolf to man.



Palestinian will deal with Hamas as they see fit. You can have your vision just like I can explain to you that it's not up to us to think for the population of the global south.

Hamas is a resistance group. This is not an idea or a justification, this is a factual data. They are LEGITIMATE in their resistance against an oppressive an colonial state, just like the french resistance was legitimate in the resistance against Nazism or any other country against oppressive regime.

You better swallow that. Because if you refuse oppressed people to be legitimate in their resistance, we will have a problem.

The fact that a resistance group or a state do war crimes doesn't change their nature, it does not magically transform them into terrorist. That is the rethoric of the oppressor.

Let me give you a simple and very CLEAR exemple for you because I see that you are struggling here :

The rebels in Star Wars did something that Hamas would never be able to do in its ENTIRE existence. 2 MILLION people - from maintenance workers to army members - were active on the death star when it exploded because of Luke.

And yet, would you consider Luke as a terrorist ?

THis is a basic ethical test to make you understand the importance of contextual informations.

You and others here need to understand something very important. What you guy are doing in this thread has a name, it's call "morality". YOu are treating situations based on a moral point of view quasi universalistic.

But that's not how reality works. In reality, context matters.

Hamas is not fighting in the void, it's fighting an oppressive, colonizing and apartheid regime. As such they are legitimate in their action. The only problem is that a resistance is never like in movies, it's never clean, and many people go too far. Here they killed children and civilian and abducted children. Which is an ethical problem as children are never responsible and should be spared from anything. SO, they made a war crime on top of their action.

But tell that to people who lived under the threat of a shotgun, mass oppression and dehumanization all their lives... not that easy.

Context matter.

It's not up to me to consider Hamas as a possibility, it's for Palestinian to decide. I'm refusing to perpetuate the racist and imperialist thinking that I'm better equiped to judge the choices of global south's populations better than said populations themselves. And you should do the same.





I told you "banana" and you interpretated "Kiwi"



It's not for us to intervene in this. Unless said people are asking for DIRECT help. Stop your imperialist wired brain from thinking that you are better equiped for deciding the future of a people than said people.

They want dictature ? Let them have dictature. They want to end dictature? Let them fight their OWN battle and only intervene if they ASK YOU for help or if you see that they are in complete incapacity to ask you for help

That's basic respect that every human should learn to understand

I see that you have a Luffy picture. Maybe it's time for you to REALLY understand why he acts like he does and why he does NOT intervene in conflict unless people are DIRECTLY asking him for help or are showing to him direct evidences that they want help.

As an handicap person, this is one of the MAIN things that I wish people would understand. You are not saviors, your are not masters, so quit trying to impose your benevolence on people that have their OWN fight and OWN cross to bear. It's dehumanizing.

Do I believe Hamas is a danger for Palestinians? Yes.
Will I fight as a westerner for Hamas to go? No. It's not my fight. It's not my place. It's for Palestinians to decide.

BUT

Palestinian directly asked us to help them destroy the threat of their oppressor which is the colonial state of Israel. So I will do what I can to help them do just that. And you should do to. This is the ethical things to do.

What is a "simili-materialist"?
Google has no answers for me.

 

[Zenos7]

But is mutually true.

Zionist politics heavily influences Right wing views about Islam and Muslims right?

yes, but anti-zionist/antisemitic right wingers can also be against muslims

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

Normies when politicians blackmailed by a Mossad pedophile ring refuse to release the files that would expose them as involved in said Mossad pedophile ring:

Me because I've been reading @CoC: Color of Clowns' posts here the past year:

I'm a freaky idiot with a lot of problems, and realizing most of my problems have come from rich liars, and that most of the people I care about, within and outside of my personal life, have suffered the same, I just kinda snapped.

Like, look at prison: full of people who've committed serious crimes. When they get their hands on Epstein types? It's game over.

Some of the "worst" criminals in prison refuse to tolerate what international police, federal law enforcement agencies, and national police refuse to be honest about.

They taught us the "blacks savages" couldn't be trusted around women; so many tribes in Africa just have half-naked women and kids running around, and the men DON'T ASSAULT THEM AT ALL. We've just been lied to on every level that these parasites ruling over us is normal, through the fake history they've filled our schools with.

Honestly, are world is just like the world of One Piece: if you try to seriously study history, the government will either co-opt you, or remove you.

Ohhhhhh.

Argentina.

The country that was a tourist spot for the Nazi Germans, and is still very sympathetic to them?

That's interesting.

 

[BleakAsh]

yes, but anti-zionist/antisemitic right wingers can also be against muslims

They can be against Muslims sure like that's not the point.. Theological differences exists but on a political spectrum you don't find that voiced matter the fact most if not all Muslims hate post 9/11 has been artificially regulated by zionists but being against doesn't really mean they preach Islamophobia (hate) like Kirk, his peers in position public fame and the gov? Atleast they aren't even remotely popular.


I mean I did blanket my statement about zionist agendas because that usually is most where 99% (subjective could say Vast majority) of political opinions about Muslim and Islam come from. Mutual exclusivity isn't a thing with various facets to this issue.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

What is a "simili-materialist"?
Google has no answers for me.

You shouldn't have asked


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Muslim hate from the political right wing is not theological... Its zionist politics.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOooSz1DR1y/?igsh=a2t6cmR0MjNmd2s0

This means nothing but that woman was ignorant.

Other day I was thinking how we could explain Judaism, Christianism and Islamism using Naruto.

Judaism = Classic Naruto

Christianism = Naruto Shippuden

Islamism = Boruto

As far I understand the matter. For Jews Jesus Christ either didn't existed or wasn't the prophet they expected.

For Christianism, JC was the last phophet.

For Islamism after JC they had Muhammad as their last one.

So they all have a common source, supposedly essence. But after that they differ from each other.

You can also look as a generational thing. Jew = grandparent. Christians = parents. Musliams = kids.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Other day I was thinking how we could explain Judaism, Christianism and Islamism using Naruto.

Shut up
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