Yeah, it's a bit contradictory with their diplomatic stance about Israel but that's good. Maybe it's the pressure that is happening in-land that are forcing their hands

It's a lot more violent that what we have in Fr for Gaza.


Right, of course it's the unarmed activists that are pursuing a violent course of action🀑
Terrorists with baby milk and paracetamol

:shocking:
 
Italy has the perfect stance on Palestine. Get rid of Hamas, and we'll recognize you. Otherwise what are you recognizing? Hamas is a terrorist organization that bans elections. They are impoverishing their own people.

Let Fatah take over, have elections/democracy, and you can have recognition.
 
Italy has the perfect stance on Palestine. Get rid of Hamas, and we'll recognize you. Otherwise what are you recognizing? Hamas is a terrorist organization that bans elections. They are impoverishing their own people.

Let Fatah take over, and you can have recognition.
Hamas is a group of resistance. No political group is perfect and war crime or authoritarism happens, even in groups like that. But they are a resistance anyway and still legitimated by the current state of colonization, the appartheid and the genocide.

It's perfectly unethical and unfair to ask for a population to reject one of the only resistance group that fight their oppressor.

This stance is dehumanizing, racist, imperialist and depoliticizing. It completely denies the agency of a population.

Who the fuck are we to impose to a population what is good or not for them?
 

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This entire headline is a lie: Nintendo's not touching this, because they have so many Green Card holders in the US. Isn't that cute?

The Gaming Company that constantly fucks with gamers, over the stupidest crap, and fucks with other game companies like spoiled brats who act like they created monster catching games...

Won't sue people using their game to kidnap human beings, including children, the target audience of Pokemon.

Nintendo says no to fan Super Smash Bros Tournaments

But, child trafficking? M'kay, Nintendo's fine with Trump's ICE kidnapping kids like the little chubby Drifloon ghouls they are, using their series

Nintendo deserves the same boycott Disney got.

What scum.
 
Italy has the perfect stance on Palestine. Get rid of Hamas, and we'll recognize you. Otherwise what are you recognizing? Hamas is a terrorist organization that bans elections. They are impoverishing their own people.

Let Fatah take over, have elections/democracy, and you can have recognition.
Netanyahu favored Hamas decades ago so that Palestinians would be split between west bank and gaza. Because Netanyahu and the zionists didn't want a two-state solution.

The best stance would be to push israelis to get rid of netanyahu and his shills who are criminals because they're terrorists. Then we'll recognize the state of israel.


Anyway, iirc you're italian right ?
 

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Italy has the perfect stance on Palestine. Get rid of Hamas, and we'll recognize you. Otherwise what are you recognizing? Hamas is a terrorist organization that bans elections. They are impoverishing their own people.

Let Fatah take over, have elections/democracy, and you can have recognition.
I agree with this. Hamas needs to go.

But, at the same time, Israel needs change in leadership as well. An accountability is due here.

Palestinians deserve statehood but Hamas? Nope....need to get rid of Hamas as well
 
I agree with this. Hamas needs to go.

But, at the same time, Israel needs change in leadership as well. An accountability is due here.

Palestinians deserve statehood but Hamas? Nope....need to get rid of Hamas as well
Hamas is a group of resistance. No political group is perfect and war crime or authoritarism happens, even in groups like that. But they are a resistance anyway and still legitimated by the current state of colonization, the appartheid and the genocide.

It's perfectly unethical and unfair to ask for a population to reject one of the only resistance group that fight their oppressor.

This stance is dehumanizing, racist, imperialist and depoliticizing. It completely denies the agency of a population.

Who the fuck are we to impose to a population what is good or not for them?
 

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A terrorist organisation...

and, if you can't distinguish then who the fuck are we to tell Israel what they should do and what they shouldn't?

West has done destabilization of Africa, Asia including Middle East in the past with no accountability.

Both Israel and Hamas needs to be held accountable for their actions and Palestinians deserve the state...
 

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And, I don't know whether you people realize it or not, but there is a massive hurdle in the statehood of Palestinians.

First, they need to meet the criteria of statehood as per Montevideo Convention and as of now, biggest missing link is a unified government in Palestine.

Even if you overlook this then biggest hurdle comes from the west itself - regardless of the government because US and most of it's allied European nations always had similar stance


Hurdle is without Security council recommendation, UN General Assembly cannot admit Palestine.

And, US will simply veto it in security council as it has done in 2011 under Obama.

And, Palestinians need UN membership as a state to get universal recognition or you can say they need - Majority votes in security council with no Veto for UNGA to admit Palestine as the state.
 
A terrorist organisation...

and, if you can't distinguish then who the fuck are we to tell Israel what they should do and what they shouldn't?

West has done destabilization of Africa, Asia including Middle East in the past with no accountability.

Both Israel and Hamas needs to be held accountable for their actions and Palestinians deserve the state...
A terrorist organization in the eyes of the west, not in the eyes of international laws. You need to understand VERY CLEARLY which refers to the subjectivity of a state or not on a group of fighters. Everyone rebels are terrorists for an oppressive state.

"Who the fuck are we to say what Israel should do or not"??

Being there such things called international LAW and ETHICS.

- Colonizing a country > Unethical
- Resisting an oppressor even through armed conflict > Ethical
- Resisting an oppressor with war crimes > Unethical
- Genociding a country > Unethical
- Apartheid > Unethical

This is the types of BASIC ethical conclusion that you guys are ALL capable of understanding in stories like One Piece, but because of your reactionnary biases, for some reason here, you are not even able to distinguish the BASIC ethical action from the BASIC unethical one.


West has done destabilization of Africa, Asia including Middle East in the past with no accountability.
AND? Because you neightboor beats his wife, you think it gives you the right to do it too?


Both Israel and Hamas needs to be held accountable for their actions and Palestinians deserve the state...
Yeah. That's what International Laws are for. But observe your reactionnary bias here:

When you consider (legitimately) that both party needs to be held accountable, your are ONLY denying the legitimacy of the existence of Hamas and at no point I see you explaining that Israel as a state should not exist....

When in reality, Israel is an oppressive, genocidal, apartheid and colonizing state that by nature can't exist without being oppressive when Hamas is simply a political group, that despite being responsible for war crimes and autoritarists tendancies does not hold the same oppressive and colonial intrensic nature. As such, where Hamas could evolve and become a benefic partyfor the population, Israel is a state that can only be colonial as it's standing in a stolen land.

So yeah.

Hamas AND Israel leaders and those who participated in the killings of october 7th must be brought to justice, but Israel, must be systematically dismantled and replaced by a binational state including both Israelian and Palestinian as it is the ONLY way peace will be restored.
 

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A terrorist organization in the eyes of the west, not in the eyes of international laws. You need to understand VERY CLEARLY which refers to the subjectivity of a state or not on a group of fighters. Everyone rebels are terrorists for an oppressive state.

"Who the fuck are we to say what Israel should do or not"??

Being there such things called international LAW and ETHICS.

- Colonizing a country > Unethical
- Resisting an oppressor even through armed conflict > Ethical
- Resisting an oppressor with war crimes > Unethical
- Genociding a country > Unethical
- Apartheid > Unethical

This is the types of BASIC ethical conclusion that you guys are ALL capable of understanding in stories like One Piece, but because of your reactionnary biases, for some reason here, you are not even able to distinguish the BASIC ethical action from the BASIC unethical one.



AND? Because you neightboor beats his wife, you think it gives you the right to do it too?



Yeah. That's what International Laws are for. But observe your reactionnary bias here:

When you consider (legitimately) that both party needs to be held accountable, your are ONLY denying the legitimacy of the existence of Hamas and at no point I see you explaining that Israel as a state should not exist....

When in reality, Israel is an oppressive, genocidal, apartheid and colonizing state that by nature can't exist without being oppressive when Hamas is simply a political group, that despite being responsible for war crimes and autoritarists tendancies does not hold the same oppressive and colonial intrensic nature. As such, where Hamas could evolve and become a benefic partyfor the population, Israel is a state that can only be colonial as it's standing in a stolen land.

So yeah.

Hamas AND Israel leaders and those who participated in the killings of october 7th must be brought to justice, but Israel, must be systematically dismantled and replaced by a binational state including both Israelian and Palestinian as it is the ONLY way peace will be restored.
Pardon my language but you have to be delusional to think both Israelis and Palestinians can co-exist in the same state now.


You are so far away from reality that you made sociological theories as your reality.

The hatred between Israel and Palestinians runs so deep right now even two states won't solve this problem - well, atleast it's better than nothing like now.


And, stop trying to justify Hamas. I clearly said Palestinians deserve the state but Hamas needs to go - a terrorist organisation in the power would not solve anything.

Palestinians need their own government.

And, Israel needs to be held accountable for War crimes.


As I said, you have to be delusional and far away from reality to even consider Hamas as a possibility.
 
It's more nuanced than that.

But no matter what happened, it's not up to us to impose anything on them. The contrary would be imperialism and it's a whitesupremacist, unethical and dehumanizing vision of the world.
Bro are you on crack? Saying a bunch of terrorists stopped having elections is "imperalist and white supremacist" is straight up brainwashed garbage.

They're denying their OWN people elections, when they only won by 3% in 2006. That's what dictators do.
 

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Bro are you on crack? Saying a bunch of terrorists stopped having elections is "imperalist and white supremacist" is straight up brainwashed garbage.

They're denying their OWN people elections, when they only won by 3% in 2006. That's what dictators do.
Bruh it won't matter to these morality preachers.

They will turn blind eye to it.

Taliban is widely recognised as a terrorist organization. UN has imposed sanctions on many of it's leaders. Even Haqqani network is recognised as terror outfit.


And, look what's going on in Afghanistan - women are going through exclusion...they don't have access to even secondary education. Their movements and participation are restricted.

Recently, they even banned fibre optic internet and have heavy censorship on press and speech.

Public executions for moral crimes are taking place.

And, this is just the tip of the iceberg

Yet, these so called moral preachers won't say a word why? Because it doesn't serve their agenda or bring them into limelight.

And, now they will defend Hamas to take power in Palestine and when things would become worse, they will turn blind eye to it.

Bunch of hypocrites....
 
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