Controversial General Political Discussion

[Jew D. Boy]

bro unironically said charlie kirk wasn't racist or homophobic lol
he's hopefully just trolling

He probably isn’t, he’s just stupid and comes by this hatemongering naturally like any other conservative :risicheck:

 

[Zenos7]

It's not an appeal to nature, you are using the definition of nature as = in the wild, I am using it in the teleological/philosophical sense where it is a synonym for essence

eh, you are really just using a different word for natural, so you are still kind of doing an appeal to nature, just with a different basis than i used in my hypothetical.

but that was my point of the post you quoted here, because you said i was doing an appeal to nature, depsite me only doing a hypothetical.

 

[RyoQ]

Why do you always specifically say LGB and not LGBT

Obviously because Trump, Kirk (and most normies conservatives) only take issue with transgenders but almost never attack gay marriage?

Hence why I don't even identify with the mainstream conservative or Republicans, they represent a different faction than the far-right which bare minimum calls for ending gay marriage. The right is not a hegemon

 

[Zenos7]

the end of our reproductive organs are reproductive ends, so them committing inherently sterile actions like gay sex is a failure in it achieving it's end, making it unnatural and thus evil

so blowjobs, boobjobs, handjobs, anal, masturbation, all evil since they are sterile actions. gotcha.
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The fact that some even thought that homosexuality can be manufactured and transferred is stupid and hilarious.

this is why i thought of the regular meaning of "natural", because i have talked to religious folks telling me people arent born gay, they are made gay in some way, and therefore not "natural".
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you're comparing one sexual dysfunction to another

asexuality is unnatural and thus evil, but not as unnatural nor evil as homosexuality

and how do we distinguish between less and more evil deviations from the nature of our sexuality?

 

[RyoQ]

so blowjobs, boobjobs, handjobs, anal, masturbation, all evil since they are sterile actions. gotcha

Sexual acts have to be ordered towards sexual ends so yes

Some of these things, morally, can fall under "foreplay" if during sex they are used but the action still concludes in copulation. Homosexual acts can never conclude in that so they are always evil

 

[Zenos7]

ok but your point is the body feels a pleasure for pleasure's sake

like no? there is a biological purpose and end to such a pleasure, just as there is a purpose to the pleasure we get from eating, we don't eat for the sake of eating

actually all pleasure is good only insofar as it serves it's proper end

my point is that you describing our reproductive organs with having the nature to reproduce is not painting the full picture for the convenience of your argument.
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Humanity is marked by evolution.
I'm sure the first gays had anal sex with females and then justified anal sex with men.

Alot of the STDs now a days are because of anal sex then using the same genitalia for vaginal sex.

Which results from mass promiscuity.

Which results from lack of moral order in the society

So alot of it needs to go down the drain in a society for homosexuality to be normalized.

Thats not to say homosexuals are evil.. NO

But its certainly disingenuous to conflate homosexuality as an act to homosexual as a person where latter has been told its the right thing to do and it is right to express yoir desires in the sense.

the issue lies within the promiscuity then, not homosexuality. straight people of today are promiscuous as fuck
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Something being legal that corrupts morals and perverts society > something that may worsen bodily health to some people

Gay sex is inherently gravely disordered, sterile behavior and is perverse as such and it being legal = tells society it's good when it is not

thats not at all what legality is about. legality is about whether you have the right to do it, not whether its good or not.

 

[Uncle Van]

"Homosexuality is unnatural"

Yet it has proven to occur naturally in nature, and scientist spent centuries trying to find some sort of "gay gene" within humans to prove it is a genetic mutation/abnormality and found nothing.

People really be saying dumb shit to fuel to their own personal biases.

 

[Zenos7]

Why are y’all still giving Roku the time of day?? I don’t see any reason to entertain the notion of him being an actual human, nothing he says can be taken seriously unless you’re as pathetic and small as he is

i somewhat agree, BUT i think its weird for you to dehumanize him considering you criticize dehumanization elsewhere. him being radical doesnt make him any less human.
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Ejac'ing in peoples mouths is evil yeah

Once you realize homosexuality is evil, it naturally follows many of the sexual behavior people engage in is quite lewd because of how perverted society has become

what about jizzing on peoples faces?!?!?! please dont tell me that is evil as well
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Why do you always specifically say LGB and not LGBT

because trump and kirk are against transgenderism but not gays, lesbians and bisexual people.
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He probably isn’t, he’s just stupid and comes by this hatemongering naturally like any other conservative :risicheck:

 

[BleakAsh]

nothing here makes any sense.

What part?

i just threw in the pleasure aspect of sex because our genitals are definitely designed to experience pleasure, so their nature cant be solely about reproduction, because then our genitals feeling pleasure wouldnt be necessary at all.

I mean if you had read what you typed it'd be apprent that you are talking about what is nature of anything derived from and then you proceed to talk about how pleasure has a lot to do with sex than reproduction because of our genitals natrual basic function aside from excretion which is pleasure. You then follow it up with "how come that part isnt natrual also the nature of sexual relations in humans?" obviously meaning homosexuality.

You literally drew a connection between homosexuality being natrual in human relations and genital functions while discussion "where is nature of X derived from" in this case humans.

Idk seemed like you are making a point about how pleasure and genitalia make homosexuality a natrual phenomenon.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

because trump and kirk are against transgenderism

 

[Kizaruber Eats]

Dudes who worship and obssess over topless buff anime men like the fathers they never had, complaining about "homosexuality is a sin", the irony is fucking hilarious. It's not a coincidence how the most machismo, most masculine stuff is always extremely homoerotic. The same dudes who idolise the Spartans and Romans without realising the complete sense of irony and hypocrisy too.

They'd sniff Green Bull, Akainu and Vergo's chairs if they were real.

 

[Zenos7]

Sexual acts have to be ordered towards sexual ends so yes

Some of these things, morally, can fall under "foreplay" if during sex they are used but the action still concludes in copulation. Homosexual acts can never conclude in that so they are always evil

so if my gf blows my cock but instead of jizzing on her face i do it in her vagina thats not evil?

oh boy here come the loopholes.
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Sexual acts have to be ordered towards sexual ends so yes

so having sex when you know the woman cant receive due to her status in her monthly cycle is evil since it doesnt lead to reproduction. right?
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"Homosexuality is unnatural"

Yet it has proven to occur naturally in nature, and scientist spent centuries trying to find some sort of "gay gene" within humans to prove it is a genetic mutation/abnormality and found nothing.

People really be saying dumb shit to fuel to their own personal biases.

he is pulling a logiko on us by using "natural" in a different way.

 

[RyoQ]

the issue lies within the promiscuity then, not homosexuality. straight people of today are promiscuous as fuck

they're both issues

thats not at all what legality is about. legality is about whether you have the right to do it, not whether its good or not

the state does not have an obligation to allow merely what people are capable of, but what is good

Homosexual marriage is not marriage at all, but perversion, and the state calling it such is state endorsed perversion that it is making normal, introducing immorality to those under the state
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so if my gf blows my cock but instead of jizzing on her face i do it in her vagina thats not evil

No actually, we have a word for that: foreplay

 

[Mathias]

Imagine logging in to this forum for the first time and you read this

Ejac'ing in peoples mouths is evil yeah

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Dudes who worship and obssess over topless buff anime men like the fathers they never had, complaining about "homosexuality is a sin", the irony is fucking hilarious. It's not a coincidence how the most machismo, most masculine stuff is always extremely homoerotic. The same dudes who idolise the Spartans and Romans without realising the complete sense of irony and hypocrisy too.

They'd sniff Green Bull, Akainu and Vergo's chairs if they were real.

Same dude who was freaking out over AL Sama having an AI pfp of Nami in an outfit that's more modest than what we see in the story lol
Wonder why that is.

 

[RyoQ]

Dudes who worship and obssess over topless buff anime men like the fathers they never had, complaining about "homosexuality is a sin", the irony is fucking hilarious. It's not a coincidence how the most machismo, most masculine stuff is always extremely homoerotic. The same dudes who idolise the Spartans and Romans without realising the complete sense of irony and hypocrisy too.

They'd sniff Green Bull, Akainu and Vergo's chairs if they were real.

Admiring masculinity is gay now


I mean you are a grown man simping over Perona and probably have a body pillow of her so your words mean ratshit

 

[Zenos7]

I mean if you had read what you typed it'd be apprent that you are talking about what is nature of anything derived from and then you proceed to talk about how pleasure has a lot to do with sex than reproduction because of our genitals natrual basic function aside from excretion which is pleasure. You then follow it up with "how come that part isnt natrual also the nature of sexual relations in humans?" obviously meaning homosexuality.

You literally drew a connection between homosexuality being natrual in human relations and genital functions while discussion "where is nature of X derived from" in this case humans.

Idk seemed like you are making a point about how pleasure and genitalia make homosexuality a natrual phenomenon.

yeah no. i am responding to ryo's claims with that one, and saying that he isnt capturing the nature of our sexuality correctly when he reduces our reproductive organs to reproduction, because thats not the only thing they are designed to do.

im not saying that is my opinion, im expanding on his opinion. shit being natural or unnatural doesnt make it good or bad, which is why its fallacious to appeal to nature.

 

[Kizaruber Eats]

Same dude who was freaking out over AL Sama having an AI pfp of Nami in an outfit that's more modest than what we see in the story lol
Wonder why that is.

Mommy issues. Its always mommy issues.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Admiring masculinity is gay now


I mean you are a grown man simping over Perona and probably have a body pillow of her so your words mean ratshit

he never made threads worshipping her and admiring her physique and what not lmfao
also never praised a permaed user that's a literal pedophile (critical) according to his friends on here and calling him the head of the vergo fanclub

 

[Zenos7]

the state does not have an obligation to allow merely what people are capable of, but what is good

Homosexual marriage is not marriage at all, but perversion, and the state calling it such is state endorsed perversion that it is making normal, introducing immorality to those under the state

Yeah, well, no bro... if it is legal it just means there are no negative consequences to be expected from the state. its not the state advocating for it to be good.