Controversial General Political Discussion
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It's a wonder because it's a contradiction, how can self reflection be matter if it observes matter?
This is a philosophical dilemma
This is a philosophical dilemma
The brain is one big movie theatre. The mind is the projection on the screen, the Brain is the projector. The process happens inside the brain and is interpretated by it's own machine as a consciousness but your sense of self is just a seat in front of the screen.
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We are animals. Some animals have a form a sentience too, even if limited. Our sentience just go beyond, we reflect on said sentience.
But the process? It's material and is a consequence of material conditions of existence.
There is nothing really magical or divine about consciousness, it's just a consequence of our material biology.
personal incredulity. this guy is catching logical fallacies like they are fucking pokemon
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what about non-human consciousness that is capable of self reflection?
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another mofo that doesnt give animals the credit they deserve.
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what about non-human consciousness that is capable of self reflection?
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another mofo that doesnt give animals the credit they deserve.
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u got a favorite animal?
It's a legit questionning but I think it's a step ahead from our current debate. Currently, we are quesitonning the validity of the materiality of the process of consciousness itself under a political lens rather than the qualia (raw feeling of consciousness.) itself
I don't have a definite opinion on the subject. Even tho I lean toward the idea of a false problem & consciousness being an illusion.
No. Your sense of self is like an imaginary person seating in front of a movie screen.
It's a machine that is wired - in our case - to observe itself.
Like I explain with the hard problem above. Why you could question the materiality of the raw feeling of consciousness.
Self reflection as a process is not immaterial, it is but a consequence of a material process.
Actually it can, if you consider the hard problem as a false problem or with other types of reasonning. But this is not the subject here. And the potential materiality of a raw feeling does not equate to a divine immaterial condition of consciousness rather something we still don't fully understand yet. On top of that, it's irrelevant politically in our current debate.
I don't have a definite opinion on the subject. Even tho I lean toward the idea of a false problem & consciousness being an illusion.
No. Your sense of self is like an imaginary person seating in front of a movie screen.
It's a machine that is wired - in our case - to observe itself.
Like I explain with the hard problem above. Why you could question the materiality of the raw feeling of consciousness.
Self reflection as a process is not immaterial, it is but a consequence of a material process.
Imagine when you discover that no physicalist approach can answer the hard problem 
So a mentally ill sociopath killing his wife and 2 children and then killing himself is not evil/wrong, but just a "perspective"?
What about the torturing and abuse cartells in South Korea? What is their perspective?
What about a capable person saving someone's life after a heart attack? Isn't that "good" as per definition?
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What AL is saying here I think, he is subjectively practicing "Null Philosophy" and he thinks it's the absolute perspective.