Controversial General Political Discussion

[Uncle Van]

"They only care about information that validates their beliefs." This is what you said. You said "THEY." The only other conservatives in here are Rav and Herrera. Can YOU prove that I believe conservatives do no wrong? If you can't, well... YOU ARE BEING HYPOCRITICAL!

Having confirmation bias ≠ believing conservatives can do no wrong. I never said the second half.

You hate the left. You hate them so much that you play whataboutism with any hint of good, and said textbook right wingers like Mussolini Hitler were leftist. You even said Facism, a texbook far right ideology, was somehow a left wing thing. That is evidence to suggest conformation bias.

You on other hand have provided no evidence of me having conformation bias, and assume things I've never said nor implied like celebrating Kirk or Thompson getting popped.

It wasn't exactly what you said. I don't relly remember what you said, maybe I'm mistaking your for someone else, but i do recall you had a condescending attitude towards the murder of both men. You said something along the lines that you weren't sad about their deaths. To me this sounds extremely cynical

Not being surprised or feeling bad that someone got murdered again/being cynical ≠ celebrating deaths. You blatantly lumped me with people who were celebrating, and just claimed I did the same without any evidence.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Van said twice in that post that it is both lmao
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Never happened

in case you missed it, I was making fun of him by saying it's both.
Fine, Even if it's Democrats being a bunch of babies, Because We aren't giving the baby what they want, It's both side. There you happy??!

Bro says a bunch of bullshit, expecting me to think otherwise, I could literally throw his argument right back at him. It's a dumb ass arguement.

 

[NAMELESS]

Having confirmation bias ≠ believing conservatives can do no wrong. I never said the second half.

You hate the left. You hate them so much that you play whataboutism with any hint of good, and said textbook right wingers like Mussolini Hitler were leftist. You even said Facism, a texbook far right ideology, was somehow a left wing thing. That is evidence to suggest conformation bias.

You on other hand have provided no evidence of me having conformation bias, and assume things I've never said nor implied like celebrating Kirk or Thompson getting popped.



Not being surprised or feeling bad that someone got murdered again/being cynical ≠ celebrating deaths. You blatantly lumped me with people who were celebrating, and just claimed I did the same without any evidence.

I did say Hitler was left, but I didn't say the same about Fascism. I did say Mussolini had a left-leaning upbringing and education. What I did say was the leftists of today act like the fascists of yesterday. You are just putting words in my mouth at this point. Who is doing what again, mate?
The whole reason I quoted you is because you said to Zemmi that the left always brings change for the better, which is just an EXTREMELY biased thing to say. You need to ignore the whole history of the past century to say such a thing, and yet here you are saying we are the only ones that say biased things. You are being hypocritical, mate. Sorry, but not sorry. You need to look at yourself in the mirror before pointing fingers.
Yeah, saying such a thing after a bunch of morons made jokes about someone dying makes you look like that. Maybe you should consider not doing that in such situations, mr. moderator.

 

[Uncle Van]

I did say Hitler was left, but I didn't say the same about Fascism. I did say Mussolini had a left-leaning upbringing and education. What I did say was the leftists of today act like the fascists of yesterday. You are just putting words in my mouth at this point. Who is doing what again, mate?
The whole reason I quoted you is because you said to Zemmi that the left always brings change for the better, which is just an EXTREMELY biased thing to say. You need to ignore the whole history of the past century to say such a thing, and yet here you are saying we are the only ones that say biased things. You are being hypocritical, mate. Sorry, but not sorry. You need to look at yourself in the mirror before pointing fingers.
Yeah, saying such a thing after a bunch of morons made jokes about someone dying makes you look like that. Maybe you should consider not doing that in such situations, mr. moderator.

Where is the evidence for conformation bias?

 

[NAMELESS]

Where is the evidence for conformation bias?

"The left always brings changes for the better." Are you blind or just arguing in bad faith again?

 

[Uncle Van]

"The left always brings changes for the better." Are you blind or just arguing in bad faith again?

Where is the evidence for confirmation bias?

 

[NAMELESS]

Where is the evidence for conformation bias?

Are you trolling now? Also, it's confirmation bias. Learn English.

So once again, instead of giving counter arguments, you just show aggression and throw insults. Enough with the anti-intellectualism. You cant keep saying someone is wrong without evidence. And constantly showing right leaning channels who entire content is anti-left isn't evidence.

What was Martin Luther King? As a black American, you should know this.

Not the post I'm looking for, but using an exception to pretend the left isn't chronically violent is bad faith.

 

[Uncle Van]

Are you trolling now? Also, it's confirmation bias. Learn English.

Not the post I'm looking for, but using an exception to pretend the left isn't chronically violent is bad faith.

...that's the best you got? More strawmanning and assumptions?

He said the left is the problem is the US. I was pointing out historically, it was the left making good progress and he has them to thank for the workers rights that were obtained. I used MLK as another example since him and the Civil rights movement(thousands of people), fought for basic human rights. Apparently saying this is "sucking off" the left.

You take it as "you think the left isn't chronically violent!!"

Rav made a blatant claim that the left is the problem in the US. My posts were pointing out how that's not really the case.

 

[Logiko]

The left always brings changes for the better.

Yup

 

[Jew D. Boy]

...that's the best you got? More strawmanning and assumptions?

He said the left is the problem is the US. I was pointing out historically, it was the left making good progress and he has them to thank for the workers rights that were obtained. I used MLK as another example since him and the Civil rights movement(thousands of people), fought for basic human rights. Apparently saying this is "sucking off" the left.

You take it as "you think the left isn't chronically violent!!"

Rav made a blatant claim that the left is the problem in the US. My posts were pointing out how that's not really the case.

Why would workers rights matter to someone who doesn’t have a job or any prospects?? Ravager has never struck me as the type of person with responsibilities or commitments, he either relies on the same social services he thinks are evil or on someone else (Mommy) doing the actual work

 

[Ravagerblade]

...that's the best you got? More strawmanning and assumptions?

He said the left is the problem is the US. I was pointing out historically, it was the left making good progress and he has them to thank for the workers rights that were obtained. I used MLK as another example since him and the Civil rights movement(thousands of people), fought for basic human rights. Apparently saying this is "sucking off" the left.

You take it as "you think the left isn't chronically violent!!"

Rav made a blatant claim that the left is the problem in the US. My posts were pointing out how that's not really the case.

But it is, It is a problem, If you don't like it, IDC. Antifa/Chaz/Chop/Portland "Summer of Love" "mostly peaceful protests" Give me a fucking break man You're just going to ignore all those? BLM was another problem.
You have Jay Jones Calling for Conservatives/Republicans and their children to be killed/Fantasizing about doing it, Pritzker Whatever giving cover for him etc. Nancy Polisi insider trading. I could continue.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

But it is, It is a problem, If you don't like it, IDC. Antifa/Chaz/Chop/Portland "Summer of Love" "mostly peaceful protests" Give me a fucking break man You're just going to ignore all those? BLM was another problem.
You have Jay Jones Calling for Conservatives/Republicans and their children to be killed/Fantasizing about doing it, Pritzker Whatever giving cover for him etc. Nancy Polisi insider trading. I could continue.

You only care about this shit when liberals do it but you absolutely refuse to acknowledge the copious amounts of news and evidence routinely presented to you in this thread regarding the same crimes (and worse) committed by MAGAts every day of the week, it’s mindblowing how disingenuous you still are
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I just don’t get why it’s so hard for Ravager et. al. to understand reciprocity…most left-leaning posters in this thread fully admit that Democratic politicians are sleazy, manipulative, uninterested in following through on campaign promises, and incapable of sympathizing with the plight of the proletariat, but every single rightie here thinks Republicans can do no wrong despite mountains of irrefutable evidence to the contrary. Nobody’s asking you dolts to turn on your own party (although you would if you had any self-awareness), it’d just be nice to hear one of you cop to the audacity and atrocities of Donnie and his cronies, if only just once. The whole point of compromising is to acknowledge that there is both merit and fault on either side, then you can start from a position of understanding and decency rather than just blurting out “LiBs Is ViOlEnT!!!1” and expecting to be treated with an ounce of respect.

 

[Zenos7]

You are tiring. I'm in a loop with you. You cannot understand that your vision of the world might be inexact and unethical, so we arrive constantly at the same point.

Lmao, no such thing is happening buddy.

Feel free to point out me denying scientific data though.

My disagreements with you are demonstrably not that.

 

[Logiko]

But it is, It is a problem, If you don't like it, IDC. Antifa/Chaz/Chop/Portland "Summer of Love" "mostly peaceful protests" Give me a fucking break man You're just going to ignore all those? BLM was another problem.
You have Jay Jones Calling for Conservatives/Republicans and their children to be killed/Fantasizing about doing it, Pritzker Whatever giving cover for him etc. Nancy Polisi insider trading. I could continue.

Lmao, no such thing is happening buddy.

Feel free to point out me denying scientific data though.

My disagreements with you are demonstrably not that.

 

[Zenos7]

And also this:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/german-police-arrest-author-over-144423914.html

Btw, I think that the comparison is unfair and inaccurate, but having the police investigate the guy is nuts.

Well, this much is obvious. I know the origins of my beliefs.

The guy wasnt actually arrested,but the police opened an investigation. Seems to be for relativizing the holocaust and not just criticising israel though. And apparently some other remarks about another german politician that might be libel.

And in your other examples pro palestine protests were mentioned. Dont know every single instance of police arresting people there, but they will do it if there is anything unconstitutional going on (shouting slogans like from the river to the sea is interpreted as a call to violence, and if they hidd their faces during a protest thats also illegal in germany).

Not that i agree with the above, but going from that to arguing you are not allowed to criticise israel in germany is a stretch to say the least
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No actual substance once again?

Color me surprised.

 

[Uncle Van]

But it is, It is a problem, If you don't like it, IDC. Antifa/Chaz/Chop/Portland "Summer of Love" "mostly peaceful protests" Give me a fucking break man You're just going to ignore all those? BLM was another problem.
You have Jay Jones Calling for Conservatives/Republicans and their children to be killed/Fantasizing about doing it, Pritzker Whatever giving cover for him etc. Nancy Polisi insider trading. I could continue.

You said the left is the problem, not a problem. Nancy Pelosi isn't even a leftist, and insider trading has nothing to do with the left.

-removal of unions and worker's rights
-hoarding of wealth
-rampant inflation
-dismantling education
-blaming minorities for all the issues and advocating for their removals
-tons of shootings and hate crime aimed at minority groups

Is all this leftism?

 

[Logiko]

No actual substance once again?

Color me surprised.

I swear it feels like I'm talking to myself 7 to 10 years ago

 

[NAMELESS]

...that's the best you got? More strawmanning and assumptions?

He said the left is the problem is the US. I was pointing out historically, it was the left making good progress and he has them to thank for the workers rights that were obtained. I used MLK as another example since him and the Civil rights movement(thousands of people), fought for basic human rights. Apparently saying this is "sucking off" the left.

You take it as "you think the left isn't chronically violent!!"

Rav made a blatant claim that the left is the problem in the US. My posts were pointing out how that's not really the case.

I guess you are just dumb then. I should have known... Do you even know what these logical fallacies that you keep accusing me of performing are? I really doubt the average American knows much about dialectics (logic).
Nobody in their right mind denies that workers' rights are a good thing, but to pretend that multiple dictatorships were created under the pretense of equality (and blah blah blah) and other left-wing ideals is just being dishonest.
The same people that claim to be for freedom, life, and equality (and so on) are also the ones that committed the worst atrocities of the past century. Atrocities even worse than Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.
My posts weren't even about Ravager or even the American left-wing movement itself, but I do agree that the American left-wing movement is ruining what it means to be American. Rav isn't wrong. If you didn't figure it out yet that comment was about the international left wing movement as whole. Your problem is you think everything revolves around America.
I'm trying to find that one post where you explained your ideas and quoted Zemmi. I can't find it for some reason.

You asked for proof of bias, here you go:

The Trump Administration are thinking of taking stake in quantum computing firms like they did with Intel and mineral companies. People are saying that it makes them communist when in reality, its Facism. A characteristic of Facism is state-owned capitalism, and has happened in the past leading up everyone's favorite war in history(WW2).

State-owned capitalism isn't exclusive to fascism, for fuck's sake. Multiple nations have mixed-capital companies and state-owned companies. It's very common for governments to own companies that deal with strategic sectors like defense, energy, and so on...
Seeing fascism and Nazism in anything a conservative politician does is typical left-wing paranoia.
"Leading to everyone's favorite war in history (WW2)." You like to sound grandiose, don't you? lmfaooooooooo
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The guy wasnt actually arrested,but the police opened an investigation. Seems to be for relativizing the holocaust and not just criticising israel though. And apparently some other remarks about another german politician that might be libel.

And in your other examples pro palestine protests were mentioned. Dont know every single instance of police arresting people there, but they will do it if there is anything unconstitutional going on (shouting slogans like from the river to the sea is interpreted as a call to violence, and if they hidd their faces during a protest thats also illegal in germany).

Not that i agree with the above, but going from that to arguing you are not allowed to criticise israel in germany is a stretch to say the least

No actual substance once again?

Color me surprised.

Okay, maybe I misunderstood the situation. My bad.

 

[Uncle Van]

I guess you are just dumb then. I should have known... Do you even know what these logical fallacies that you keep accusing me of performing are? I really doubt the average American knows much about dialectics (logic).
Nobody in their right mind denies that workers' rights are a good thing, but to pretend that multiple dictatorships were created under the pretense of equality (and blah blah blah) and other left-wing ideals is just being dishonest.
The same people that claim to be for freedom, life, and equality (and so on) are also the ones that committed the worst atrocities of the past century. Atrocities even worse than Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.
My posts weren't even about Ravager or even the American left-wing movement itself, but I do agree that the American left-wing movement is ruining what it means to be American. Rav isn't wrong. If you didn't figure it out yet that comment was about the international left wing movement as whole. Your problem is you think everything revolves around America.
I'm trying to find that one post where you explained your ideas and quoted Zemmi. I can't find it for some reason.

You asked for proof of bias, here you go:

State-owned capitalism isn't exclusive to fascism, for fuck's sake. Multiple nations have mixed-capital companies and state-owned companies. It's very common for governments to own companies that deal with strategic sectors like defense, energy, and so on...
Seeing fascism and Nazism in anything a conservative politician does is typical left-wing paranoia.
"Leading to everyone's favorite war in history (WW2)." You like to sound grandiose, don't you? lmfaooooooooo

Again, thats the best you got? A said a characteristic of Facism is state-owned capitalism, can compared it to similar situations back in Facist Italy and Nazi Germany. You're personal disagreement without countering what I said isn't grounds to call bias.

Rav isn't wrong. If you didn't figure it out yet that comment was about the international left wing movement as whole. Your problem is you think everything revolves around America.

Rav clearly said the left is the problem in the US. I gave examples from the U.S. to counter that statement. Yet you respond with....that?

 

[NAMELESS]

You only care about this shit when liberals do it but you absolutely refuse to acknowledge the copious amounts of news and evidence routinely presented to you in this thread regarding the same crimes (and worse) committed by MAGAts every day of the week, it’s mindblowing how disingenuous you still are
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I just don’t get why it’s so hard for Ravager et. al. to understand reciprocity…most left-leaning posters in this thread fully admit that Democratic politicians are sleazy, manipulative, uninterested in following through on campaign promises, and incapable of sympathizing with the plight of the proletariat, but every single rightie here thinks Republicans can do no wrong despite mountains of irrefutable evidence to the contrary. Nobody’s asking you dolts to turn on your own party (although you would if you had any self-awareness), it’d just be nice to hear one of you cop to the audacity and atrocities of Donnie and his cronies, if only just once. The whole point of compromising is to acknowledge that there is both merit and fault on either side, then you can start from a position of understanding and decency rather than just blurting out “LiBs Is ViOlEnT!!!1” and expecting to be treated with an ounce of respect.

My guy, that isn't exactly true. I'm not a Republican. I'm not even American. Trump left a very good impression on me during his first run, but now he is kind of ruining that. I still think Donnie is the lesser of the two evils. I don't think highly of Bolsonaro either and would still vote for him again despite him betraying his voters. The lesser of the two evils is something that everyone should take in consideration when voting.

Again, thats the best you got? A said a characteristic of Facism is state-owned capitalism, can compared it to similar situations back in Facist Italy and Nazi Germany. You're personal disagreement without countering what I said isn't grounds to call bias.



Rav clearly said the left is the problem in the US. I gave examples from the U.S. to counter that statement. Yet you respond with....that?

Oh really? IS THAT THE BEST YOU GOT? BAHHHHHHHHH Communist regimes have state-owned corporations, and so did fascist regimes, theocracies, and actual modern social democracies. You mentioning fascism in that context is a clear bias against Trump. Touché. Now I need to take a nap. Bye.

But it is, It is a problem, If you don't like it, IDC. Antifa/Chaz/Chop/Portland "Summer of Love" "mostly peaceful protests" Give me a fucking break man You're just going to ignore all those? BLM was another problem.
You have Jay Jones Calling for Conservatives/Republicans and their children to be killed/Fantasizing about doing it, Pritzker Whatever giving cover for him etc. Nancy Polisi insider trading. I could continue.

Kirk being shot dead...