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They are the "Official government" army
They enabled this genocide all the way back to the 80s, and allied with the Janjaweed to stage a coup against Bashir (not for morals as they served him for decades, but for Saudi money)
The only reason why they and the Janjaweed had a fallout is because of the Saud UAE feud, they got caught on camera stealing from civilians and telling the tribes who are victims of said genocide "we don't care"
It's actually interesting how the pointless weird beef between UAE Qatar and Saudi Arabia (and Egypt Iran and Turkey lol) is destroying so many countries
What's makes Sudan so weird is that UAE had absolutely zero reason to go against Egypt and Saudi Arabia like that, with many Speculating that Russia "planted" ideas about UAE becoming independent Geopolitics wise like Qatar into the minds of the emirs , others blame the way Saud Arabia got "pressured" by China into mending ties with Iran and Qatar as it destroyed the Soft Power Saudi had
They enabled this genocide all the way back to the 80s, and allied with the Janjaweed to stage a coup against Bashir (not for morals as they served him for decades, but for Saudi money)
The only reason why they and the Janjaweed had a fallout is because of the Saud UAE feud, they got caught on camera stealing from civilians and telling the tribes who are victims of said genocide "we don't care"
It's actually interesting how the pointless weird beef between UAE Qatar and Saudi Arabia (and Egypt Iran and Turkey lol) is destroying so many countries
What's makes Sudan so weird is that UAE had absolutely zero reason to go against Egypt and Saudi Arabia like that, with many Speculating that Russia "planted" ideas about UAE becoming independent Geopolitics wise like Qatar into the minds of the emirs , others blame the way Saud Arabia got "pressured" by China into mending ties with Iran and Qatar as it destroyed the Soft Power Saudi had
Ok that's what I thought. Yeah, they seems to be partly responsible. I here eco from the leftist group there that they completely betrayed the revolutionnary movement and the interest of Sudan's population overall. But overall, it's an imperialist battle. That's why this conflict is a lot more complex that what is happening in Palestine at the moment and why it doesn't get much attention.
Ethnonationalism and Nazism are not the same thing.
nazism is a very specific manifestation of ethnonationalism.
equating Zionism with Nazism is just an anti-intellectual talking point. It’s not true, you know it’s not true, you’re just saying this to win an argument.
Back to my point. Obama is a Zionist. Is being an Obama supporter the same as being a Nazi? It obviously isn’t. There’s absolutely no comparison between the two.
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Nazism is a hate movement. Zionism is just belief in a Jewish state.
There is obviously a lot you can critique of the Zionist movement and actions of Zionists. But it’s not the same as an ideology that explicitly advocates for the hatred of various racial, sexual, and other groups.
It’s probably more comparable to Islamic nationalism or Christian nationalism, which can be seen in countless countries across the world.
nazism is a very specific manifestation of ethnonationalism.
equating Zionism with Nazism is just an anti-intellectual talking point. It’s not true, you know it’s not true, you’re just saying this to win an argument.
Back to my point. Obama is a Zionist. Is being an Obama supporter the same as being a Nazi? It obviously isn’t. There’s absolutely no comparison between the two.
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Nazism is a hate movement. Zionism is just belief in a Jewish state.
There is obviously a lot you can critique of the Zionist movement and actions of Zionists. But it’s not the same as an ideology that explicitly advocates for the hatred of various racial, sexual, and other groups.
It’s probably more comparable to Islamic nationalism or Christian nationalism, which can be seen in countless countries across the world.
Didn't say it was. I'm saying that all the elements combined with this ethnonationalism (for ex the fascism in Israel currently) is like Nazism, not just ethnonationalism.
I'm sorry, but you are completely biased on the question. You have been ignoring MAJOR problems for a long time now. Zionism is like Nazism, not only in ideology but also in practice. The only difference at the moment is the fact that Zionism is still restricted by the territory, by the social pressure of the world and by the resources, but the comparison is solid and stands on real data.
No. Like Nazism, it's not 1 or 0, but the fact that Obama is advocating for an ethnonationalist, white supremacist and fundamentally fascist ideology is a problem. Even if the guy is racialized and even if he is a democrat. Don't support Obama if you want to have a rational opinion. The guy is a war criminal anyway.
That's not how it works. Zionism is not just a belief, it's an applied system. Meaning that there are people and system and country AT THIS VERY MOMENT applying the Zionism principles and ideology. This is why there is a genocide, this is why there is a colonization, this is why there is an apartheid etc. Nazism and Zionism are not only ideologies, but SYSTEMS that have been applied in real life.
Yes it is. By essence, creating an ethnonationalist state IS a form of racism and white supremacism (and I won't explain why in detail, it would be to long). This idea is based on racist and ethnical exclusive principle.
I'm sorry, but you are completely biased on the question. You have been ignoring MAJOR problems for a long time now. Zionism is like Nazism, not only in ideology but also in practice. The only difference at the moment is the fact that Zionism is still restricted by the territory, by the social pressure of the world and by the resources, but the comparison is solid and stands on real data.
No. Like Nazism, it's not 1 or 0, but the fact that Obama is advocating for an ethnonationalist, white supremacist and fundamentally fascist ideology is a problem. Even if the guy is racialized and even if he is a democrat. Don't support Obama if you want to have a rational opinion. The guy is a war criminal anyway.
That's not how it works. Zionism is not just a belief, it's an applied system. Meaning that there are people and system and country AT THIS VERY MOMENT applying the Zionism principles and ideology. This is why there is a genocide, this is why there is a colonization, this is why there is an apartheid etc. Nazism and Zionism are not only ideologies, but SYSTEMS that have been applied in real life.
Yes it is. By essence, creating an ethnonationalist state IS a form of racism and white supremacism (and I won't explain why in detail, it would be to long). This idea is based on racist and ethnical exclusive principle.
Supporting Israel, Supporting the US's imperialism, supporting capitalist politics etc. He did it through politics. Supporting white supremacy sociologically doesn't necessarily mean sayin "I hate black people". White supremacy is a system of domination first. It's linked to many sub systems and political methods or ideologies. Even democrats ones. Especially democrat ones.
“Zionism” is a catch all term for a broad range of ideologies concerning the creation of a Jewish state in the levant.
Nazism is an explicitly fascist movement
It’s an apples to oranges comparison that you are only making because it’s politically convenient to you.
just for example, there are schools of Zionist thought that are socialist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Zionism
is that also “Nazism”? This is inane
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The way you talk about these things just seems to lack nuance
Nazism is an explicitly fascist movement
It’s an apples to oranges comparison that you are only making because it’s politically convenient to you.
just for example, there are schools of Zionist thought that are socialist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Zionism
is that also “Nazism”? This is inane
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The way you talk about these things just seems to lack nuance
No, the insanity is the fact of trying to defend zionism in the middle of a genocide resulting of this ideology. Zionism became Nazism, not because, it was nazism but because it has the ingredients ideologically. Again, ethnonationalism is a form of fascism by nature. Like it or not. What zionism is now can be compared to nazism
You don't need nuance on every subjects. We are witnessing a genocide because of zionism and imperialism. It's not the time for nuances. (this, is, in itself, a nuance. The fact of always requesting nuance is not a nuanced opinion, it's fake rationnalism and ethics).
You don't need nuance on every subjects. We are witnessing a genocide because of zionism and imperialism. It's not the time for nuances. (this, is, in itself, a nuance. The fact of always requesting nuance is not a nuanced opinion, it's fake rationnalism and ethics).
No, what you're trying to imply is that the left cannot, by definition by Authoritative, Which is wrong by how they act. You are hiding behind definitions. Very C4N like, snake ish. They try to remake definitions to suit their agenda.
They are Authoritative, just not Nationalistic. I'll call them Fascist in name, Does that make you feel better? smh.
Supression of Opposition, also something they do.
They are Authoritative, just not Nationalistic. I'll call them Fascist in name, Does that make you feel better? smh.
Supression of Opposition, also something they do.