So what if two 6'1 robbers built like a wall of titanium broke into your house and robbed you blind?
What idiot robber would take out someone's eyeballs? They have no use for them. :kaidowhat:
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The idea that the police is necessary IS PART OF the material interests that I talked about. It's a myth created by the system and the ruling class to push cops to defend and justify their positions and itself. The police must be defund first, the funds reinvested where it matters, then.. the police must go. Repression must not be the answer against the result of marginalization, domination systems and capitalism
Yes I agree with you. We should replace the police with citizen-organized neighborhood watch teams, each of them armed, in fact every citizen should be armed to the teeth so they can defend themselves as well as anyone else in danger. Europe needs a second amendment NOW!
 
So what if two 6'1 robbers built like a wall of titanium broke into your house and robbed you blind?
Do you have any evidence for this?

can you point to a single society on earth where laws aren’t enforced?
The problem is your short sided vision. You don't understand that when I say "defund the police" I only say "defund the police" when in reality I say a lot more things like "create the conditions for crimes not to exist", "destroy domination systems", "end capitalism". Getting rid of the police alone is stupid. This must be done alongside many other political change in society.

Do you have any evidence for this?
As for the evidences, you will understand that it is hard in a capitalist society where the police and the results of capitalism is everywhere to create the condition to understand if getting rid of the police is viable. It's like saying "water is useless to make things grow, it evaporates when we throw it on the ground (that is all in fire)". First you can go look Here you will have a better understanding already.

Asking all the hard-hitting questions here. Soft-on-crime policies would tell the cashier to let the perpetrator take all the cash at hand and then call the police afterward to deal with the issue. However, chances are, if firearms are involved, that cashier isn't walking away with their life intact.
There is nothing "hard hitting" in these question. It's a dumb question taht apoliticized liberal usually make because they don't understand the root cause of these problematics in the first place and thus they don't understand the value of multi-tasking.

Defund the police, means also destroying capitalism, raising social services, creating the material condition for crimes not to happen.


To be honest, any discussion with you is pointless since you always change the goalpost and make assumptions whenever you're wrong.
yea yea sure

You're the one who always saying you are surprised at what I say, always has to assume, and always forget what I said.
Look closer. You miss the important part. You live with unethical contradictions I wouldn't be able to live with. So yeah, I'm surprised. But this only means that I listen and understand your words, something you do not with mine. And here lie the problem. I always work on my shortcomings, but you seems to think you have all of them figured out. Like many of people here, this makes you blind.

This recent debate has been nothing but you repeating what I said and assuming, cause you always need to find some sort of wrongdoing to cling to and educate someone with your enlightenment(and you yourself admitted to your stubbornness about always wanting to "win")
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As explained. I know & even state my shortcomings. I can adjust and even reflect when I'm wrong or pushy (three lines?). None of you people seems to be able to do this. So it's useless, I can't be the only one to make efforts and reflect. It goes both ways. Sadly.. I've pointed out enough evidence of shortcomings with you. As long as you won't accept self reflection, this will be useless indeed.


Yes I agree with you. We should replace the police with citizen-organized neighborhood watch teams, each of them armed, in fact every citizen should be armed to the teeth so they can defend themselves as well as anyone else in danger. Europe needs a second amendment NOW!
:zosleepy:
 
The idea that the police is necessary IS PART OF the material interests that I talked about. It's a myth created by the system and the ruling class to push cops to defend and justify their positions and itself. The police must be defund first, the funds reinvested where it matters, then.. the police must go. Repression must not be the answer against the result of marginalization, domination systems and capitalism.

These are fine. But do not concern all issues. For instance, terrorist attacks.
 
These are fine. But do not concern all issues. For instance, terrorist attacks.
Terrorist attack are the product of domination systems just as much as crime. And they are not stopped by the police, but intelligence agencies. We create our own condition of lack of security. Anticapitalism implies the fight against imperialism, which breeds terrorism. So while it won't stop everything all together, it will reduce the risk. For the rest, we can create defensive alternatives.
 
Can't believe China would do this😞... what? USA? Glory to the motherland in that case!
https://news.sky.com/story/us-plans-to-start-checking-all-tourists-social-media-13481642
It's over for my american dream :josad:


Terrorist attack are the product of domination systems just as much as crime. And they are not stopped by the police, but intelligence agencies. We create our own condition of lack of security. Anticapitalism implies the fight against imperialism, which breeds terrorism. So while it won't stop everything all together, it will reduce the risk. For the rest, we can create defensive alternatives.
It can’t be solved at once, it’s decades of works. Intelligence service are police too by the way.
 
It's over for my american dream :josad:




It can’t be solved at once, it’s decades of works. Intelligence service are police too by the way.
Of course. There are things that we can't really deconstruct in one day. It needs preparation, and different type of fight on the side (anticapitalism etc.). Defunding the police can be done quite easily, the rest will take more time. There are entire system to restructure and think. But that can't be done without a big struggle sadly. The ruling class will not let us do that.
 
@Uncle Van perhaps you are right on one thing. My strategy is not good. It seems to constantly activate defense mechanism. And someone just made me realize that explaining stuff will actually never work, knowing is not enough to act. I don't know why I was so stubborn with this.. but maybe.. just maybe there is another way. I'll try it right now:

What do you think could be done for marginalized people like me to feel safer in this place?
 
Terrorist attack are the product of domination systems just as much as crime. And they are not stopped by the police, but intelligence agencies. We create our own condition of lack of security. Anticapitalism implies the fight against imperialism, which breeds terrorism. So while it won't stop everything all together, it will reduce the risk. For the rest, we can create defensive alternatives.
Human behavior isn’t entirely deterministic

some people legitimately choose to be evil
 


lol


Human behavior isn’t entirely deterministic

some people legitimately choose to be evil
Some people choose to do evil*
But this doesn't contradict with a deterministic vision of the world. Choices, even the wrong ones, are conditioned by many factors.


I personally don’t like dogpiling on C4N, but this is such an incredible burn that I have to give it the recognition it deserves :datas::youcraz:
Lmao really? I found it a little bit lacking... How about this: "I'm not sure, Jesters needed enough wits to entertain Kings without offending them" > Much better right? You create an indirect burn without pushing attention on the invective. Once thing that we learn very early in schools is that subtlety is key when we insult someone. The more subtle, the better.

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Uncle Van

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Look closer. You miss the important part. You live with unethical contradictions I wouldn't be able to live with. So yeah, I'm surprised. But this only means that I listen and understand your words, something you do not with mine. And here lie the problem. I always work on my shortcomings, but you seems to think you have all of them figured out. Like many of people here, this makes you blind.
Projection. Just because you cant live with it, doesnt mean others can't. Once again taking a very narcissistic stance that everyone but you is wrong, and they must do what you want to be acceptable.

As explained. I know & even state my shortcomings. I can adjust and even reflect when I'm wrong or pushy (three lines?). None of you people seems to be able to do this. So it's useless, I can't be the only one to make efforts and reflect. It goes both ways. Sadly.. I've pointed out enough evidence of shortcomings with you. As long as you won't accept self reflection, this will be useless indeed.
"I'm right and everyone else is wrong." See? You've been doing that since even before Worstgen. You have things you personally want, and do everything you can to make it seem like it's the law of the world and not just your opinion. Thats why you hate being wrong, because being wrong = not getting what you want like Carrot being a SH.

Right now, you claim I dont accept self reflection simply because I'm not giving you the outcome you personally want, which is quitting my job and helping defund the police.
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He reminds me of religious people, where every single thing can be explained by god or it ties back to god
What can be indeed a powerfull religious tool, can also be a powerfull political tool as well. How would you proceed to change your vision of the world and make people understand a new concept very easily?
 
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