Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Isn’t pedophilia an actual disease though. I don’t see how you can “fix it”

You don't fix it. It's not a pathology or a pulsion - contrary to what psychiatrist would let you to believe - but the result of the intersections of multiple domination through conscious actions.

Take rape for example : we don't "fix" a rapist, we make them learn consent, understand the agentivity of women, educate them on the dangerosity of objectification and allow for a reparative justice, first for the victim and then for the perpetuator. With rape and pedophilia, it's not about attraction or pulsions, it's also about power, control and exploitation. That's why rape is used as a weapon of war or in conflict or torture camps and why pedophilia here was used as a tool of recognition.

The first thing we must do to prevent those behavior, is negate the potential power that can hold a person for as long as necessary.

Aside from the number, the Epstein case is no different, it's all about power and social recognition. It's just that in this case, they had almost an "unlimited power". While horrible, their actions are not something new and they will be repeated by other because we don't learn as a society and we think patriarchy and adultism are just woke fairy tails

 

[Uncle Van]

Pedophilia isn't a mental illness. It is a deliberate choice in the same category as rape and murder, often using mental illness as a cop out to dismiss external factors and get lighter scrutiny. Things like down syndrome, autism and anxiety n' depression are mental conditions outside of the individual's control and can occur/spike without any external factors.

Society simply deems anything uncomfortable or outside their norm as mental illness. A gang member murders rival gang members who shot at him first in a shoot out? Mentally ill. A soldier murders enemy soldiers who shot at him first in a shoot out? Mentally sound. These are 100% fully functioning people who knows what they do is wrong, but choose to do it anyway. I'm talking pedos, rapists, and murderers here.

 

[Roo]

You don't fix it. It's not a pathology or a pulsion - contrary to what psychiatrist would let you to believe - but the result of the intersections of multiple domination through conscious actions.

It is a psychiatric disorder tho, there’s a general consensus on that.

Pedophilia isn't a mental illness. It is a deliberate choice in the same category as rape and murder, often using mental illness as a cop out to dismiss external factors and get lighter scrutiny. Things like down syndrome, autism and anxiety n' depression are mental conditions outside of the individual's control and can occur/spike without any external factors.

Society simply deems anything uncomfortable or outside their norm as mental illness. A gang member murders rival gang members who shot at him first in a shoot out? Mentally ill. A soldier murders enemy soldiers who shot at him first in a shoot out? Mentally sound. These are 100% fully functioning people who knows what they do is wrong, but choose to do it anyway. I'm talking pedos, rapists, and murderers here.

You think actual professionals want to find excuses for pedophiles? Lmao

or is it more likely that they are accurately describing what they see to better treat it?

when did you two become anti intellectuals

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Pedophilia isn't a mental illness. It is a deliberate choice in the same category as rape and murder, often using mental illness as a cop out to dismiss external factors and get lighter scrutiny. Things like down syndrome, autism and anxiety n' depression are mental conditions outside of the individual's control and can occur/spike without any external factors.

Society simply deems anything uncomfortable or outside their norm as mental illness. A gang member murders rival gang members who shot at him first in a shoot out? Mentally ill. A soldier murders enemy soldiers who shot at him first in a shoot out? Mentally sound. These are 100% fully functioning people who knows what they do is wrong, but choose to do it anyway. I'm talking pedos, rapists, and murderers here.

if we’re being pedantic about terminology here, child abuse is a deliberate choice

of those people who sexually abuse children, some of them have a mental disorder where they have a sexual obsession with children.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Personally I think the term “pedophile” should be retired from medical/legal lexicon, as I feel like the term is so loaded that it makes it hard to have a dialogue with the public about these topics.

that said I have no qualms about using the term to disparage people who engage in or advocate for abusing kids.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

This type of shit has tbh made it to where the word “pedophile” or “pedophilia” has completely lost its meaning.

Is it a mental illness? An Ideology? Criminal behavior? If so, how is it defined?

If you think about it for a second, you realize that most folks have no coherent definition of this word and just use it in the same vein as “pervert”, “fornicator”, “sodomite”, etc. Where it’s less about the actually describing a phenomenon and more about using the word to express moral condemnation.

And while people who abuse children certainly deserve moral condemnation, I do worry about the ways in which this sort of emotion-heavy language can lead people into hysteria and irrational thinking.

I'm pretty sure pedophilia is a mental illness? Or that it's at least not a deliberate choice?
I think most people seem to conflate pedophiles with child molesters. They're not the exact same, a child molester can be a pedophile but a pedophile isn't always a child molester.
I don't think pedophiles *choose* to be attracted to children, the same way a gay man doesn't *choose* to be attracted to men.
Which may sound weird, but I'm not really of the belief that pedophiles are inherently bad for being pedophiles. Do they need to get therapy? Yes. But unless they actually go out and hurt children, or endorse that type of behavior,I wouldn't be too outraged at them. It's not their fault, and as long as they get the help they need, they'll hopefully be alright.
I have this mindset for everything, by the way. I would only want someone with murderous thoughts to get therapy, unless they actually do go out and murder someone, to which they should get the death sentence.

 

[Uncle Van]

It is a psychiatric disorder tho, there’s a general consensus on that.

You think actual professionals want to find excuses for pedophiles? Lmao

or is it more likely that they are accurately describing what they see to better treat it?

when did you two become anti intellectuals

Don't believe I said professionals studying pedophilia are just tying to find excuses now did I?

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Tbh I really dislike how politicized the topic of child abuse has been. Not that there aren’t terrible child abusers in places of power, but it just seem cynical how I’ve noticed a lot of folk weaponize this issue.

The right obviously does it with the trans panic and QAnon/Pizzagate shit. Similarly I’ve noticed how folk on the left have started to use the Epstein files to basically characterize every conservative as a pedophile or pedophile adjacent. And like I get it, they did defend Trump. But also, folks need to have some empathy and consider the fact that Trump lied and these people were fooled by his lies.

It just seems like the conversation completely misses the fact that this is an actual phenomenon with real victims and instead just uses the topic of child abuse or pedophilia as a rhetorical bat to bash your opponents over the head with.

I know this is just gonna prove your point, but the reason it’s politicized is because conservatives never hold their elected officials accountable, they truly do not give a shit if kids are being molested unless the perpetrator is an inch left of center. No idea how someone can live with themselves knowing that their capacity for disgust and outrage comes to a screeching halt when it’s a Republican politician or donor; I’ve said many times that pedophiles deserve the most severe punishment even if I agree with their political ideology, but every fucking day, I have to watch the other side dig their empty heads in the sand so as to avoid admitting their guys are absolute, unrepentant monsters. I also don’t think this should be a polarizing issue, but since that’s exactly what it’s become, let’s not pretend like “both sides” are wrong here, there’s a line that only one party continuously crosses.

 

[Roo]

Don't believe I said professionals studying pedophilia are just tying to find excuses now did I?

You literally said it’s not a mental disorder, who exactly you think comes up with these terms?

 

[Uncle Van]

You literally said it’s not a mental disorder, who exactly you think comes up with these terms?

Yes pedophilia isn't a mental disorder but that doesn't mean the opposite is false. Any mental behavior that falls outside of the "normal" standards are cosnidered a disorder. Being gay was also considered a mental disorder as being attracted to the same sex as seen as wrong, and there must be something wrong with them for not having sexual attractions the "right" way. Gay people were deemed sexual predators who can't control their urges.

There are pedophiles who genuinely cant help it no matter how hard they try. Some of mental disorders that leads them to pedophilia. Others are perfectly functional and chooses to act on it, and those are ones I'm talking about(and conflating with child molestors). These guys made the choice of their own violation.

 

[Roo]

Yes pedophilia isn't a mental disorder but that doesn't mean the opposite is false. Any mental behavior that falls outside of the "normal" standards are cosnidered a disorder. Being gay was also considered a mental disorder as being attracted to the same sex as seen as wrong, and there must be something wrong with them for not having sexual attractions the "right" way. Gay people were deemed sexual predators who can't control their urges.

There are pedophiles who genuinely cant help it no matter how hard they try. Some of mental disorders that leads them to pedophilia. Others are perfectly functional and chooses to act on it, and those are ones I'm talking about(and conflating with child molestors). These guys made the choice of their own violation.

Pedophilia is the disorder, sexual assault is the action. I think you’re getting the words mixed up

 

[Reborn]

Hot take

Harrassment of bald people is historical and systemic. We need laws to protect them.

 

[AL sama]

cold take

touch grass

 

[Mathias]

Not so hot take

I hate puritans above anything.

Hot take

Harrassment of bald people is historical and systemic. We need laws to protect them.

We need to weaponise the baldies so that they can protect themselves.

 

[Rej]

Hot take:
Looking at Afghanistan, the next Genocide is in the making.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Yes pedophilia isn't a mental disorder but that doesn't mean the opposite is false. Any mental behavior that falls outside of the "normal" standards are cosnidered a disorder. Being gay was also considered a mental disorder as being attracted to the same sex as seen as wrong, and there must be something wrong with them for not having sexual attractions the "right" way. Gay people were deemed sexual predators who can't control their urges.

There are pedophiles who genuinely cant help it no matter how hard they try. Some of mental disorders that leads them to pedophilia. Others are perfectly functional and chooses to act on it, and those are ones I'm talking about(and conflating with child molestors). These guys made the choice of their own violation.

This is a good point but I think you meant to type "volition" not "violation"

Hot take

Harrassment of bald people is historical and systemic. We need laws to protect them.

You couldn't name a single bald person that isn't evil.

 

[Blax Blah]

Cold take

Penguins are awesome

 

[Blax Blah]

I wonder how many penguins God spawned today

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I wonder how many penguins God spawned today

about 6-7

 

[Midnight Delight]

Lmao Iran and Israel restarted it