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I completely agree with you here.
That is why ethics exist. They give us the north.
You have the right to a good life without exploitation but you fight against that.
I had the meltdown already my dear, multiple times over. It is the reason why I can't give up on you. I know how it feels.
Do you really want to know ?
Did you ever felt once like I was attacking anyone's family specifically on this forum?
That is why ethics exist. They give us the north.
You have the right to a good life without exploitation but you fight against that.
My family supported me for years until it was not possible anymore and I had to move out. Tension rised too sharp and our shared sanism ran rampant.
Then Covid happened. And my family finally understood that staying locked without interactions, peers or movements for years was not the choice of the sane under the light pressure of lazyness.
So when the world locked itself up, I was finally set free.
People who ignored my cries started to listen, people who didn't listen started to understand and people who didn't understand started to feel what I had lived for many years.
I locked myself up, yes. On my own also. Perhaps because of a childhood full of conflict, perhaps because of who I felt I was becoming, perhaps because my perception of reality was completely changing, perhaps because I got scarred by love too deep or perhaps because capitalism scared me so much that it paralyzed me on the spot. I don't freaking know
What I do know, is that I still cannot move. Not physically, not mentally. A few steps and a few minutes of concentration high on dopamine are the only tools I have.
I've cried many times over this predicament, wondering if by death would I set myself free. I do not remember once sleeping fine or by a complete night. Not one day was passing without the feeling of inhabiting the limbo of hell. I did not suffer physically (it would be for later) but until a few years ago, my body was but a shell.
Despite all of that, despite the questions, sufferings, conflicts, incomprehensions, the years and anger, my family never gave up on me, so no matter our shared flaws, I won't give up on them or myself. I will fight to see the light, find the best way to make people around me happy and of course become the best version of myself.
I can't go back under their protection, it's possible no more. I've been facing precarity ever since. My family stays in my shadow, but they can't do much more. Yes I'm alone yet I'm listened to, I can finally try to fly. Step after step.
Until the day it happens, I will project my past insecurities onto you my dear maties.
Then Covid happened. And my family finally understood that staying locked without interactions, peers or movements for years was not the choice of the sane under the light pressure of lazyness.
So when the world locked itself up, I was finally set free.
People who ignored my cries started to listen, people who didn't listen started to understand and people who didn't understand started to feel what I had lived for many years.
I locked myself up, yes. On my own also. Perhaps because of a childhood full of conflict, perhaps because of who I felt I was becoming, perhaps because my perception of reality was completely changing, perhaps because I got scarred by love too deep or perhaps because capitalism scared me so much that it paralyzed me on the spot. I don't freaking know
What I do know, is that I still cannot move. Not physically, not mentally. A few steps and a few minutes of concentration high on dopamine are the only tools I have.
I've cried many times over this predicament, wondering if by death would I set myself free. I do not remember once sleeping fine or by a complete night. Not one day was passing without the feeling of inhabiting the limbo of hell. I did not suffer physically (it would be for later) but until a few years ago, my body was but a shell.
Despite all of that, despite the questions, sufferings, conflicts, incomprehensions, the years and anger, my family never gave up on me, so no matter our shared flaws, I won't give up on them or myself. I will fight to see the light, find the best way to make people around me happy and of course become the best version of myself.
I can't go back under their protection, it's possible no more. I've been facing precarity ever since. My family stays in my shadow, but they can't do much more. Yes I'm alone yet I'm listened to, I can finally try to fly. Step after step.
Until the day it happens, I will project my past insecurities onto you my dear maties.
I had the meltdown already my dear, multiple times over. It is the reason why I can't give up on you. I know how it feels.
Do you really want to know ?
Did you ever felt once like I was attacking anyone's family specifically on this forum?
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So, is it the first half of my question?
Regardless, discounting everyone else's input because I am genuinely interested in your point of view, I haven't seen anyone spout neo-nazi stuff except some 'truther' a few years back. Who are you referring to? I assume the pedo comments are referring to Trump supporters since his Epstein ties?
How are you even judging people to be what you accused them of?
Bizarre.
I do, but not at the risk of you doxxing yourself to prove it. If you can share in a way that doesn't then I'd be happy to listen.
My reason why is that I just cannot see who you currently are in whom you claim to have once been. Granted, I've had my fair share of transformations that I've also shared, so I guess I'm being overly suspicious. My bad.
Regardless, discounting everyone else's input because I am genuinely interested in your point of view, I haven't seen anyone spout neo-nazi stuff except some 'truther' a few years back. Who are you referring to? I assume the pedo comments are referring to Trump supporters since his Epstein ties?
How are you even judging people to be what you accused them of?
Bizarre.
I do, but not at the risk of you doxxing yourself to prove it. If you can share in a way that doesn't then I'd be happy to listen.
My reason why is that I just cannot see who you currently are in whom you claim to have once been. Granted, I've had my fair share of transformations that I've also shared, so I guess I'm being overly suspicious. My bad.
@Uncle Van do you have me on ignore?
Ok so let me give you a little bit of context first:
During multiple discussions on this thread, I tried to convince Zemmi, who seemed to be open to discussion about the danger of Trump and conservatism. Especially because she had told me that she was racialized and I was fearing for her safety. Multiple time, she replicated by bringing up the fact she had witnessed the danger of liberals thinking through her children.
She told me that her children had told her that teachers were teaching themabout the notion of black people still being dominated (a social science fact) and since she didn't feel like it was the case for her, she repetitively told me that she had removed her children from "liberal school".
I thought that she would be open to discussion. In fact I made the mistake of thinking that she would be most likely to listen to people telling her to be afraid of Trump, especially because she was not completely sold on Trump (or so I thought)
So I didn't gave up on her, thinking that there was a good discussion happening. Then one day, she told me that she finally voted for Trump. Thus allowing fascism to appear and putting her and her family in danger by result.
So, disappointed, I told her this:
As you can see, the one attacked here is Zemmi. Not her daughter, not her son, not her family. Yet EVERYYYYYYONE dunked on me. I was called a fear mongerer, exagerator. That Trump was so scary or dangerous. I was told that I shouldn't attack the family of people (which I hadn't)
THis is what you recall. Not my words to Zemmi. Your own preconception of these words through the social pressure that followed. The social pressure was so strong that for the first time I apologized in fear on having gotten too far.
I was not even close. Trump voters voted willlingly for a fascist despite the warnings and Zemmi defended Musk who proved his fascistic tendancies himself (without mentionning all the horrible things that he did).
This jab was completely deserved. Yes, it's was a low blow, but far nicer that most things you people are willing to send toward me everyday.
I will not dox myself so you will have to believe the following:
I was never full fledge far rightist. Like I told many times, I only had the same MINDSET as one, not the complete belief system.
YET....
I was borderline islamophobic, sexist, sanist with myself and others, bordeline antisemitic even. I thought that my disdain of SJW was ethical, that Islam was the problem even tho I had nothing against muslims (or so I thought), that governements were completely run by jewish lobbies (yeah, I was a fan of a guy named Dieudo at the time, ask Mathias, he will tell you about him). I thought world leaders were behind the world trade center collapse, that people in power were hidding the truth about the pyramids.
I thought we should force people to get a permit to vote. That being a man was to suffer without complaints as my duty was to overcome my disability on my own, that poor people should not make families (literally). I remember a conversation about my wish that we would select genes in the future to get rid of disabilities (was even called a eugenist at the time by the girl of my brother at the same table at the time). Although I didn't hate racialized people, I believed in the racist propaganda about what I thought was the reason for their superior number in prison. I thought we should allow any compagnies to fire anyone if they deemed it so to protect projects, I thought people who didn't work (like I was) were just lazy
I thought that I was lazy and I just needed to "try harder"
I thought we should have a leader who do not care about politics, someone not on the right and not on the left, and the center, because ... i didn't know why, I just hated political debate and PC langage. I thought feminists were ruining their fights. I started to believe the words of the far rightist on youtube about masculinity. I thought muslims had a responsibility with the terrorist attack... for not doing more to eject the bad apples.. I thought we should also get a permit to make families.
But.. I had other more contradictory beliefs. I never believed in frontiers, I was still believing in the potential of humanity, I had gay friends at the beginning who prevented me from becoming homophobic (even tho I would have been probably transphobic over time if I had been aware of them). I believed in science (I was completely ignorant about it).
With enough time, I could have become a straight up fascist, worst than most people here. I was heading straight toward that point at FULL speed. So far that I repeatitively had argument siblings who were leftist already. I wish my words were exagerations, but they are not.
BUT
One day, don't ask me how, I asked myself if there was a contradictor for a specific domain of my belief system. So I checked. Words started to pop up.. "confirmation biases", "heuristics", "self-conving thinking", "circular argumentations"... I had no idea these terms existed. . The world of critical thinking had just opened up to me.
That's how I started to think. Not by myself, not for myself, but critically, carefully and patiently.
I was so shocked and full of shame that I had defended and said fucked up shits while making people around me confused and worried, that I created a big mantra :
Always choose the most ethical path.
During multiple discussions on this thread, I tried to convince Zemmi, who seemed to be open to discussion about the danger of Trump and conservatism. Especially because she had told me that she was racialized and I was fearing for her safety. Multiple time, she replicated by bringing up the fact she had witnessed the danger of liberals thinking through her children.
She told me that her children had told her that teachers were teaching themabout the notion of black people still being dominated (a social science fact) and since she didn't feel like it was the case for her, she repetitively told me that she had removed her children from "liberal school".
I thought that she would be open to discussion. In fact I made the mistake of thinking that she would be most likely to listen to people telling her to be afraid of Trump, especially because she was not completely sold on Trump (or so I thought)
So I didn't gave up on her, thinking that there was a good discussion happening. Then one day, she told me that she finally voted for Trump. Thus allowing fascism to appear and putting her and her family in danger by result.
So, disappointed, I told her this:
As you can see, the one attacked here is Zemmi. Not her daughter, not her son, not her family. Yet EVERYYYYYYONE dunked on me. I was called a fear mongerer, exagerator. That Trump was so scary or dangerous. I was told that I shouldn't attack the family of people (which I hadn't)
THis is what you recall. Not my words to Zemmi. Your own preconception of these words through the social pressure that followed. The social pressure was so strong that for the first time I apologized in fear on having gotten too far.
I was not even close. Trump voters voted willlingly for a fascist despite the warnings and Zemmi defended Musk who proved his fascistic tendancies himself (without mentionning all the horrible things that he did).
This jab was completely deserved. Yes, it's was a low blow, but far nicer that most things you people are willing to send toward me everyday.
I will not dox myself so you will have to believe the following:
I was never full fledge far rightist. Like I told many times, I only had the same MINDSET as one, not the complete belief system.
YET....
I was borderline islamophobic, sexist, sanist with myself and others, bordeline antisemitic even. I thought that my disdain of SJW was ethical, that Islam was the problem even tho I had nothing against muslims (or so I thought), that governements were completely run by jewish lobbies (yeah, I was a fan of a guy named Dieudo at the time, ask Mathias, he will tell you about him). I thought world leaders were behind the world trade center collapse, that people in power were hidding the truth about the pyramids.
I thought we should force people to get a permit to vote. That being a man was to suffer without complaints as my duty was to overcome my disability on my own, that poor people should not make families (literally). I remember a conversation about my wish that we would select genes in the future to get rid of disabilities (was even called a eugenist at the time by the girl of my brother at the same table at the time). Although I didn't hate racialized people, I believed in the racist propaganda about what I thought was the reason for their superior number in prison. I thought we should allow any compagnies to fire anyone if they deemed it so to protect projects, I thought people who didn't work (like I was) were just lazy
I thought that I was lazy and I just needed to "try harder"
I thought we should have a leader who do not care about politics, someone not on the right and not on the left, and the center, because ... i didn't know why, I just hated political debate and PC langage. I thought feminists were ruining their fights. I started to believe the words of the far rightist on youtube about masculinity. I thought muslims had a responsibility with the terrorist attack... for not doing more to eject the bad apples.. I thought we should also get a permit to make families.
But.. I had other more contradictory beliefs. I never believed in frontiers, I was still believing in the potential of humanity, I had gay friends at the beginning who prevented me from becoming homophobic (even tho I would have been probably transphobic over time if I had been aware of them). I believed in science (I was completely ignorant about it).
With enough time, I could have become a straight up fascist, worst than most people here. I was heading straight toward that point at FULL speed. So far that I repeatitively had argument siblings who were leftist already. I wish my words were exagerations, but they are not.
BUT
One day, don't ask me how, I asked myself if there was a contradictor for a specific domain of my belief system. So I checked. Words started to pop up.. "confirmation biases", "heuristics", "self-conving thinking", "circular argumentations"... I had no idea these terms existed. . The world of critical thinking had just opened up to me.
That's how I started to think. Not by myself, not for myself, but critically, carefully and patiently.
I was so shocked and full of shame that I had defended and said fucked up shits while making people around me confused and worried, that I created a big mantra :
Always choose the most ethical path.
You're aware not all of these are right-wing views. In fact, the part about the poor not having children... I've heard that so many time from some leftists I know.
Regardless, thanks for sharing.
Funnily enough, I think I'm nicer to you than most people here are - left or right. I'd recommend you don't just call people 'you people' if you're trying to convert their way of thinking. :)
Regardless, thanks for sharing.
Funnily enough, I think I'm nicer to you than most people here are - left or right. I'd recommend you don't just call people 'you people' if you're trying to convert their way of thinking. :)
All these views are either liberatarian (which is a non conservative far rightism) or conservatism (which is a lower form of far rightism) or ultra liberal (which is the bridge toward far rightism) or straight up far rightist and racist (even eugenistic for one)
Perhaps it doesn't look bad for some, but for me who made the entire journey toward what I saw as more ethical beliefs, I am ashamed of my past self as any leftist (even liberals, not even revolutionnaries) should be.
Are you sure they are leftists?
It's true.
You are right. It's a bad reflex. I usually use it when political enemies don't try to understand. You are more open-minded than most of them here, I should make more efforts to be nicer as long as we try to understand eachothers. Sorry.
Perhaps it doesn't look bad for some, but for me who made the entire journey toward what I saw as more ethical beliefs, I am ashamed of my past self as any leftist (even liberals, not even revolutionnaries) should be.
Are you sure they are leftists?
It's true.
You are right. It's a bad reflex. I usually use it when political enemies don't try to understand. You are more open-minded than most of them here, I should make more efforts to be nicer as long as we try to understand eachothers. Sorry.
Ok, what I got is that you told Zemmi she should be ashamed of voting for Trump and you wouldn't be able to face your family if you were on her shoes. Which is still a fucked up thing to say, Zemmi voted what she believed was best for her kids. You poked at a sensible spot.
Btw, you had some pretty crazy takes. Needing a license to vote I can understand. Needing one to start a family is basically turning everyone into cattle. Are we in Sparta?
Btw, you had some pretty crazy takes. Needing a license to vote I can understand. Needing one to start a family is basically turning everyone into cattle. Are we in Sparta?