Speculations God Valley IS the Ancient Weapon Uranus
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Im not ignoring what you said. It doesnt make sense.
It defeats the purpose of CP9 needing Robin lol. If they already had VP and had him create Pluton, then why would the WG have Lucci infiltrate Galley La for 5 years? It would entirely ruin the scene of franky destroying the blueprints.
Plus, the story is already casting doubt on VP creating any ancient weapon for the WG. Dragon and Ivankov mention this and I posted the pic in the OP. The man couldnt even power the ancient robot on Egghead, but we expect him to full replicate an ancient weapon that can fly and delete islands?
This is likely why Mother Flame exists, to at least allow them to use the lasers, and probably not even something Vegapunk intended to use as a weapon. If you read my post, youll see that I argue that Vegapunk didnt create a weapon, but an energy source.
This is the same guy who invented GP flowers lol, but we think he purposefully engineered a pluton copy?
It defeats the purpose of CP9 needing Robin lol. If they already had VP and had him create Pluton, then why would the WG have Lucci infiltrate Galley La for 5 years? It would entirely ruin the scene of franky destroying the blueprints.
Plus, the story is already casting doubt on VP creating any ancient weapon for the WG. Dragon and Ivankov mention this and I posted the pic in the OP. The man couldnt even power the ancient robot on Egghead, but we expect him to full replicate an ancient weapon that can fly and delete islands?
This is likely why Mother Flame exists, to at least allow them to use the lasers, and probably not even something Vegapunk intended to use as a weapon. If you read my post, youll see that I argue that Vegapunk didnt create a weapon, but an energy source.
This is the same guy who invented GP flowers lol, but we think he purposefully engineered a pluton copy?
Why mention Flowers & forget He created Pacifista & Seraphim?
S-Hawk can literally cut an Island in Half
First of all, it was Spandam who wanted to get his hands on Pluton, Gorosei simply approved it cuz why not.
It doesn't matter if Franky burned Blueprints or not, cuz the fact that Oda created such Sub-Plot, means We should be ready for existence of 2nd Pluton? Cuz pls tell me, what's the point of adding Blueprints if we will never see a Second Pluton? like ever
Are u gonna say Franky will build a 2nd Pluton? If that's the case, then no reason why Vegapunk can't
And if u will say, we will never see a 2nd Pluton, then it doesn't only make that Scene worse, it makes the entire Sub-Plot of Water 7 Pointless
U should re-read that Ancient Robot Part, Vega failed to discover what powered it, it doesn't mean He can't create a Similar Robot with his own-made Power Source (Just like the many Robots he built, He was literally introduced with one)
It's like saying We can't build Pyramids today cuz We don't know how Egyptians did it
Vega can't find that "Exact" Power Source, doesn't mean He can't build similar stuff
If Vega can Power-Up an Island Destroying Weapon, then what's stopping him from creating such weapon? lol
Also please tell me, why was Vega born Smart? You believe it's Random & have no explanation?
S-Hawk can literally cut an Island in Half
First of all, it was Spandam who wanted to get his hands on Pluton, Gorosei simply approved it cuz why not.
It doesn't matter if Franky burned Blueprints or not, cuz the fact that Oda created such Sub-Plot, means We should be ready for existence of 2nd Pluton? Cuz pls tell me, what's the point of adding Blueprints if we will never see a Second Pluton? like ever
Are u gonna say Franky will build a 2nd Pluton? If that's the case, then no reason why Vegapunk can't
And if u will say, we will never see a 2nd Pluton, then it doesn't only make that Scene worse, it makes the entire Sub-Plot of Water 7 Pointless
U should re-read that Ancient Robot Part, Vega failed to discover what powered it, it doesn't mean He can't create a Similar Robot with his own-made Power Source (Just like the many Robots he built, He was literally introduced with one)
It's like saying We can't build Pyramids today cuz We don't know how Egyptians did it
Vega can't find that "Exact" Power Source, doesn't mean He can't build similar stuff
If Vega can Power-Up an Island Destroying Weapon, then what's stopping him from creating such weapon? lol
Also please tell me, why was Vega born Smart? You believe it's Random & have no explanation?
Sure, he creates weapons, but again, he could not reverse engineer the ancient robot. Why are we assuming he can reverse engineer pluton?
Nothing states Pluton can fly either lol. Why is this being assumed
"Cuz why not" is a lame excuse lol. Who do you think orders Cipher Pol?
No it doesnt. The whole point of a 2nd pluton was to counter the first. Franky took a gamble by destroying it, because if they captured her, they would have tortured her for the location of the first.
Yes, with the blueprints, yes, Franky could build it. Doesnt mean he could power it. Vegapunk doesnt have the blueprints.
There is no "2nd pluton" plotline lol. It never existed beyond the blueprint. Now theres only one, located under Wano, and if it fell into the wrong handss, nobody could stop it.
Again, I ask you, how?
He reversed engineered the robot to the best of his ability for Vegaforce. He literally does not have the blueprint or the original Pluton to reverse engineer. Do you not see how your entire argument falls apart here?
we literally can see how the egyptians built pyrimids today though lmfao
We also didnt have some ancient civilazation far more advanced than modern tech that mysteriously vanished.
The comparison you are looking for is learning that some ancient country or Kingdom invented space travel to Mars before modern science ever could, and we could still not understand how they did it because we couldnt reverse engineer tech that we cant find, only the existance of it in text (i.e. real life books akin to poneglyphs).
Theres a complete difference between creating pacifista vs creating a literal island sized weapon that flies and vaporizes islands. Why would he ever create such a weapon? How do you even know he can lol.
Again, Ivankov and Dragon specifically mention its more likely an ancient weapon over Vegapunk creating anything:
What does someone being born smart have to do with anything? There are many natural geniouses in real life lmao
That does not mean hes the living will of pluton
Nothing states Pluton can fly either lol. Why is this being assumed
"Cuz why not" is a lame excuse lol. Who do you think orders Cipher Pol?
No it doesnt. The whole point of a 2nd pluton was to counter the first. Franky took a gamble by destroying it, because if they captured her, they would have tortured her for the location of the first.
Yes, with the blueprints, yes, Franky could build it. Doesnt mean he could power it. Vegapunk doesnt have the blueprints.
There is no "2nd pluton" plotline lol. It never existed beyond the blueprint. Now theres only one, located under Wano, and if it fell into the wrong handss, nobody could stop it.
Again, I ask you, how?
He reversed engineered the robot to the best of his ability for Vegaforce. He literally does not have the blueprint or the original Pluton to reverse engineer. Do you not see how your entire argument falls apart here?
we literally can see how the egyptians built pyrimids today though lmfao
We also didnt have some ancient civilazation far more advanced than modern tech that mysteriously vanished.
The comparison you are looking for is learning that some ancient country or Kingdom invented space travel to Mars before modern science ever could, and we could still not understand how they did it because we couldnt reverse engineer tech that we cant find, only the existance of it in text (i.e. real life books akin to poneglyphs).
Theres a complete difference between creating pacifista vs creating a literal island sized weapon that flies and vaporizes islands. Why would he ever create such a weapon? How do you even know he can lol.
Again, Ivankov and Dragon specifically mention its more likely an ancient weapon over Vegapunk creating anything:
What does someone being born smart have to do with anything? There are many natural geniouses in real life lmao
That does not mean hes the living will of pluton
Kind of a possible "eureka" moment I had in trying to understand what exactly Rocks was trying to do with God Valley.
Shanks originally claims he's from West Blue, and yet he is conspicuously found as a baby from Roger at God Valley. But one thing people seem to not realize is that God Valley has never been mentioned to be anywhere in Grand Line. It could have easily been located in West Blue 38 years ago.
More importantly is the fact that God Valley entirely "vanished" from maps. Now people have come to the conclusion that God Valley met the same fate as Lulusia because of that scene in 1060, but what if this IS God Valley? A literal island weapon, otherwise known as Uranus?
I mean, it's shadow is literally the size of, if not larger than Lulusia:
IMO, Vegapunk has a futuristic mind, but he's not THAT advanced in his knowledge. He could not even power the ancient robot hidden at Egghead. The fact that Egghead has been used as a home base for him to better understand ancient energy and tech from 800 years ago is pretty telling that things like this may not be from his own creation. Plus, 38 years ago, he was not with the World Government, so he ideally should not have been able to "create" the weapon, especially one the size of an island, even within that timeframe. Imu and the Elders speak of "Mother Flame" as if its the first time it ever been used, and there's no direct indication that God Valley was destroyed, just "gone from maps" as Sengoku states.
Even this scene implies that Imu and the WG has had the weapon, but could not "use" it until now, essentially until Vegapunk was able to provide the means (i.e. Mother Flame?). Vegapunk physically creating a weapon of mass destruction does not seem anything like him, especially of all his talk about "free energy for the world to use"
Why "wait" until now to use it? Because they couldn't before.
Finally, just think about Rocks' goal as a pirate. He wanted to be "King of the World". Oda specifically didn't have him go after a mermaid princess in Fishman Island for Poseidon, nor did he have him find out about Pluton in Wano, but he DID have him go to God Valley for "something". It was not explicitly stated he was there to attack CD's even, and Sengoku himself mentions that knowing why this incident occurred is even taboo. Of the things that we know can help someone achieve world domination, Ancient Weapons seem to be the key. Why "destroy" God Valley if there was nothing there for Rocks to obtain? How could it have been "destroyed" even if Vegapunk wasn't around at the time with the WG?
So what realistically could have been at God Valley if not Uranus? What if God Valley actually was Uranus, and eventually was activated (i.e. disappeared/moved from West Blue). What if the WG needed Vegapunk's fuel source (unbeknownst to VP) to actually fire it? What if his general investigation led him to the Mother Flame? Remember that while he states he could not "reverse engineer" the actual fuel source of the Ancient Robot, but it does not mean he does not have other means for producing energy sources like this. Additionally, if Uranus is already flying, it is powered by "something" ancient. The means to fire it may not need an ancient power source, just something extremely powerful (this Mother Flame).
After all, this scene exists for a reason:
The whole island runs on "fire". If there were such a thing as an eternal "flame". Vegapunk's Mother "Flame". This really does not sound like coincidence at all.
So to kind of put it down on a "rough" timeline (pure speculation):
- The World Government found out the existence of Uranus, aka a little known island in West Blue.
- The Figarland family were assigned to guard the island and investigate a means to use it. They called this island "God Valley" and claimed it sacred land.
- Rocks D. Xebec eventually caught wind of this weapon (however he did isn't important, just that he targeted God Valley for a reason.)
- After amassing his crew, he intended to take over this island by slaughtering the CD's there.
- Somehow Roger and Garp caught wind of this plot separately, and together with the CD's, put a stop to Rocks and his crew.
- The WG after eventually found out how to "move" the island by getting it to work. They could not however, use it the way it was meant to be used.
- In comes Vegapunk, desperate for research funding, joins the WG at their advantage.
- After investigating many fuel sources, the WG finally had a source that worked, albeit limited fashion.
- After at least 38 years, they finally used Mother Flame to power Uranus and destroy Lulusia.
Tldr: God Valley is the flying ancient weapon Uranus. Shanks was not lying about being born in West Blue, it originally was in West Blue when Roger found him. Rocks wanted this power after finding out about it, but was stopped by Roger, Garp and the CD's powerful enough to fight there. It then "disappeared" from maps because it was activated, but could not be fired without Vegapunk's fuel source.
A ship, a flying island and a mermaid walk into a bar....
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Shanks originally claims he's from West Blue, and yet he is conspicuously found as a baby from Roger at God Valley. But one thing people seem to not realize is that God Valley has never been mentioned to be anywhere in Grand Line. It could have easily been located in West Blue 38 years ago.
More importantly is the fact that God Valley entirely "vanished" from maps. Now people have come to the conclusion that God Valley met the same fate as Lulusia because of that scene in 1060, but what if this IS God Valley? A literal island weapon, otherwise known as Uranus?
I mean, it's shadow is literally the size of, if not larger than Lulusia:
IMO, Vegapunk has a futuristic mind, but he's not THAT advanced in his knowledge. He could not even power the ancient robot hidden at Egghead. The fact that Egghead has been used as a home base for him to better understand ancient energy and tech from 800 years ago is pretty telling that things like this may not be from his own creation. Plus, 38 years ago, he was not with the World Government, so he ideally should not have been able to "create" the weapon, especially one the size of an island, even within that timeframe. Imu and the Elders speak of "Mother Flame" as if its the first time it ever been used, and there's no direct indication that God Valley was destroyed, just "gone from maps" as Sengoku states.
Even this scene implies that Imu and the WG has had the weapon, but could not "use" it until now, essentially until Vegapunk was able to provide the means (i.e. Mother Flame?). Vegapunk physically creating a weapon of mass destruction does not seem anything like him, especially of all his talk about "free energy for the world to use"
Why "wait" until now to use it? Because they couldn't before.
Finally, just think about Rocks' goal as a pirate. He wanted to be "King of the World". Oda specifically didn't have him go after a mermaid princess in Fishman Island for Poseidon, nor did he have him find out about Pluton in Wano, but he DID have him go to God Valley for "something". It was not explicitly stated he was there to attack CD's even, and Sengoku himself mentions that knowing why this incident occurred is even taboo. Of the things that we know can help someone achieve world domination, Ancient Weapons seem to be the key. Why "destroy" God Valley if there was nothing there for Rocks to obtain? How could it have been "destroyed" even if Vegapunk wasn't around at the time with the WG?
So what realistically could have been at God Valley if not Uranus? What if God Valley actually was Uranus, and eventually was activated (i.e. disappeared/moved from West Blue). What if the WG needed Vegapunk's fuel source (unbeknownst to VP) to actually fire it? What if his general investigation led him to the Mother Flame? Remember that while he states he could not "reverse engineer" the actual fuel source of the Ancient Robot, but it does not mean he does not have other means for producing energy sources like this. Additionally, if Uranus is already flying, it is powered by "something" ancient. The means to fire it may not need an ancient power source, just something extremely powerful (this Mother Flame).
After all, this scene exists for a reason:
The whole island runs on "fire". If there were such a thing as an eternal "flame". Vegapunk's Mother "Flame". This really does not sound like coincidence at all.
So to kind of put it down on a "rough" timeline (pure speculation):
- The World Government found out the existence of Uranus, aka a little known island in West Blue.
- The Figarland family were assigned to guard the island and investigate a means to use it. They called this island "God Valley" and claimed it sacred land.
- Rocks D. Xebec eventually caught wind of this weapon (however he did isn't important, just that he targeted God Valley for a reason.)
- After amassing his crew, he intended to take over this island by slaughtering the CD's there.
- Somehow Roger and Garp caught wind of this plot separately, and together with the CD's, put a stop to Rocks and his crew.
- The WG after eventually found out how to "move" the island by getting it to work. They could not however, use it the way it was meant to be used.
- In comes Vegapunk, desperate for research funding, joins the WG at their advantage.
- After investigating many fuel sources, the WG finally had a source that worked, albeit limited fashion.
- After at least 38 years, they finally used Mother Flame to power Uranus and destroy Lulusia.
Tldr: God Valley is the flying ancient weapon Uranus. Shanks was not lying about being born in West Blue, it originally was in West Blue when Roger found him. Rocks wanted this power after finding out about it, but was stopped by Roger, Garp and the CD's powerful enough to fight there. It then "disappeared" from maps because it was activated, but could not be fired without Vegapunk's fuel source.
A ship, a flying island and a mermaid walk into a bar....
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Sure, he creates weapons, but again, he could not reverse engineer the ancient robot. Why are we assuming he can reverse engineer pluton?
Nothing states Pluton can fly either lol. Why is this being assumed
"Cuz why not" is a lame excuse lol. Who do you think orders Cipher Pol?
No it doesnt. The whole point of a 2nd pluton was to counter the first. Franky took a gamble by destroying it, because if they captured her, they would have tortured her for the location of the first.
Yes, with the blueprints, yes, Franky could build it. Doesnt mean he could power it. Vegapunk doesnt have the blueprints.
There is no "2nd pluton" plotline lol. It never existed beyond the blueprint. Now theres only one, located under Wano, and if it fell into the wrong handss, nobody could stop it.
Again, I ask you, how?
He reversed engineered the robot to the best of his ability for Vegaforce. He literally does not have the blueprint or the original Pluton to reverse engineer. Do you not see how your entire argument falls apart here?
we literally can see how the egyptians built pyrimids today though lmfao
We also didnt have some ancient civilazation far more advanced than modern tech that mysteriously vanished.
The comparison you are looking for is learning that some ancient country or Kingdom invented space travel to Mars before modern science ever could, and we could still not understand how they did it because we couldnt reverse engineer tech that we cant find, only the existance of it in text (i.e. real life books akin to poneglyphs).
Theres a complete difference between creating pacifista vs creating a literal island sized weapon that flies and vaporizes islands. Why would he ever create such a weapon? How do you even know he can lol.
Again, Ivankov and Dragon specifically mention its more likely an ancient weapon over Vegapunk creating anything:
What does someone being born smart have to do with anything? There are many natural geniouses in real life lmao
That does not mean hes the living will of pluton
Nothing states Pluton can fly either lol. Why is this being assumed
"Cuz why not" is a lame excuse lol. Who do you think orders Cipher Pol?
No it doesnt. The whole point of a 2nd pluton was to counter the first. Franky took a gamble by destroying it, because if they captured her, they would have tortured her for the location of the first.
Yes, with the blueprints, yes, Franky could build it. Doesnt mean he could power it. Vegapunk doesnt have the blueprints.
There is no "2nd pluton" plotline lol. It never existed beyond the blueprint. Now theres only one, located under Wano, and if it fell into the wrong handss, nobody could stop it.
Again, I ask you, how?
He reversed engineered the robot to the best of his ability for Vegaforce. He literally does not have the blueprint or the original Pluton to reverse engineer. Do you not see how your entire argument falls apart here?
we literally can see how the egyptians built pyrimids today though lmfao
We also didnt have some ancient civilazation far more advanced than modern tech that mysteriously vanished.
The comparison you are looking for is learning that some ancient country or Kingdom invented space travel to Mars before modern science ever could, and we could still not understand how they did it because we couldnt reverse engineer tech that we cant find, only the existance of it in text (i.e. real life books akin to poneglyphs).
Theres a complete difference between creating pacifista vs creating a literal island sized weapon that flies and vaporizes islands. Why would he ever create such a weapon? How do you even know he can lol.
Again, Ivankov and Dragon specifically mention its more likely an ancient weapon over Vegapunk creating anything:
What does someone being born smart have to do with anything? There are many natural geniouses in real life lmao
That does not mean hes the living will of pluton
I said Pluton-Like Weapon
It won't be named Pluton & Vega doesn't necessarily know anything about Pluton
Just a Modern Weapon that can Rival Pluton
Only connection i made is that Vega was born with same Intellect of the person who designed Pluton
Not same Memories or same anything, just Intellect
....bro this doesnt matter. For the 3rd time, Ivankov and Dragon doubt Vegapunk would ever create a weapon and even start to believe its an ancient weapon.
Just read the dialogue on the page lol. Why would he create a "pluton-like" weapon? Where was pluton ever confirmed to fly? Why not a "Uranus-like" weapon, something that makes more sense lol?
Just read the dialogue on the page lol. Why would he create a "pluton-like" weapon? Where was pluton ever confirmed to fly? Why not a "Uranus-like" weapon, something that makes more sense lol?
I told you Vega's Weapon is comparable to Pluton in Power, why are you still talking about whether Pluton can Fly or not?
I told you They aren't the same, and Vega isn't trying to make it like Pluton or anything
It's just that both Creators are comparable in Intellect
We know nothing about Uranus & you think Uranus-Like makes more sense? lol
Dragon & Ivankov doubting Vegapunk means nothing, you didn't see what York did? And She isn't even Vega's Evilness
As i said, i'm not saying your Theory can't be true, it's a good scenario nonetheless
But to claim Uranus which we know nothing about makes more sense than simply a New Weapon is really weird
What's the issue with existence of a New Weapon other than Three Ancient Weapons?
I told you They aren't the same, and Vega isn't trying to make it like Pluton or anything
It's just that both Creators are comparable in Intellect
We know nothing about Uranus & you think Uranus-Like makes more sense? lol
Dragon & Ivankov doubting Vegapunk means nothing, you didn't see what York did? And She isn't even Vega's Evilness
As i said, i'm not saying your Theory can't be true, it's a good scenario nonetheless
But to claim Uranus which we know nothing about makes more sense than simply a New Weapon is really weird
What's the issue with existence of a New Weapon other than Three Ancient Weapons?
Uranus is the god of the sky, hence the idea about a "flying" weapon. The object in question also was the size of an island, so unless Vegapunk's "pluton-like" weapon is bigger than Lulusia, then its not that. Pluton itself was built on Water 7, so it implies its a reasonably sized warship, not larger than an island.
Im not saying nothing else could exist besides ancient weapons, but why should I expect it when Dragon and Ivankov say its likely an ancient weapon lol?
Sure, you can assume what you want about VP and a new weapon, but nothing this last chapter gave that impression. It implied the WG has an ancient weapon already and Vegapunk did something (i.e. Mother Flame) that allowed them to use it.
Edit: and yes, I saw your point about his sky island creation, but that doesnt change the fact that the beams themselves came from the object and covered the entire sky over lulusia, implying its absolutely massive. This..
.doesnt sound like something someone can just create in the current time period
Im not saying nothing else could exist besides ancient weapons, but why should I expect it when Dragon and Ivankov say its likely an ancient weapon lol?
Sure, you can assume what you want about VP and a new weapon, but nothing this last chapter gave that impression. It implied the WG has an ancient weapon already and Vegapunk did something (i.e. Mother Flame) that allowed them to use it.
Edit: and yes, I saw your point about his sky island creation, but that doesnt change the fact that the beams themselves came from the object and covered the entire sky over lulusia, implying its absolutely massive. This..
.doesnt sound like something someone can just create in the current time period
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Vegapunk created Ocean & Island Clouds, what's stopping him from creating Emperor Clouds?
They block sunlight & are bigger than Islands & can carry basically anything & mobile
And the fact that you still talk about Pluton & compare it to Vega's New Weapon in Shape & Functionality, show that you didn't understand what i said at all. Vega's New Weapon doesn't need to resemble Pluton in anything, except Dangerousness
We are both Speculating here, but if you believe Last Chapter confirmed it's an Ancient Weapon, then let's agree to disagree.
I just wanna tell you that if Uranus is God's Valley, then Shiki wouldn't ask Roger during Edd War the Location of an Ancient Weapon
Actually, Edd War happened before Oden's Flashback, meaning Roger didn't discover Location of Pluton & Poseidon yet, so it has to be Uranus, but if God's Valley was Uranus & the reason Rocks went there, then Shiki would have known about it, no need to demand it from Roger
They block sunlight & are bigger than Islands & can carry basically anything & mobile
And the fact that you still talk about Pluton & compare it to Vega's New Weapon in Shape & Functionality, show that you didn't understand what i said at all. Vega's New Weapon doesn't need to resemble Pluton in anything, except Dangerousness
We are both Speculating here, but if you believe Last Chapter confirmed it's an Ancient Weapon, then let's agree to disagree.
I just wanna tell you that if Uranus is God's Valley, then Shiki wouldn't ask Roger during Edd War the Location of an Ancient Weapon
Actually, Edd War happened before Oden's Flashback, meaning Roger didn't discover Location of Pluton & Poseidon yet, so it has to be Uranus, but if God's Valley was Uranus & the reason Rocks went there, then Shiki would have known about it, no need to demand it from Roger
Read my edit post lol. The lasers themselves come from a radius as large as the island. The object firing it is massive.
Note that when Chapter 0 was released, we did not know about Uranus yet in the story. He likely was asking Roger about Pluton or Poseidon's locations.
Even if Shiki knew about God Valley and Uranus, the WG made the island "disappear", so asking Roger this question (specifically about Uranus) doesnt make sense.
Note that when Chapter 0 was released, we did not know about Uranus yet in the story. He likely was asking Roger about Pluton or Poseidon's locations.
Even if Shiki knew about God Valley and Uranus, the WG made the island "disappear", so asking Roger this question (specifically about Uranus) doesnt make sense.