Versus Battle Harry Potter: Grindelwald vs Voldemort

Who wins, Grindelwald or Voldemort

  • Grindelwald

    Votes: 12 46.2%

  • Voldemort

    Votes: 14 53.8%
  • Total voters
    26
Seraphoenix

Seraphoenix

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#22
#22
Seth Rollins said:
Let's hope Fantastic Beast will deliver the fight not the gay plot :/
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I really do hope so. It was described as the greatest duel between wizards :steef:

Though I see they are dragging it out to 5 films. I really hope they don't get cancelled before we get to see the duel. I also hope they make the duel strictly a duel of skill and power.
RayanOO said:
Voldemort was the only one ever who created 7 horcruxes, he was also the only one managing to fly without a broom (and taught that to Snape). Voldemort was said everytime to be the strongest every time. Darker and better than Grindy.
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In the books they say Voldemort is the most dangerous. Not most powerful. I think it's also better to rely on what happened and look at what the more reliable characters say.

Dumbledore says that Grindelwald was only slightly less skillful than him. So if Voldemort is more skillful than Grindelwald, is he equal or better than Dumbledore? Based on portrayal there seems to be a gap between them. Voldemort was scared of him for a reason.
 
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Formerly Seth

#23
#23
Seraphoenix said:
I really do hope so. It was described as the greatest duel between wizards :steef:

Though I see they are dragging it out to 5 films. I really hope they don't get cancelled before we get to see the duel. I also hope they make the duel strictly a duel of skill and power.

In the books they say Voldemort is the most dangerous. Not most powerful. I think it's also better to rely on what happened and look at what the more reliable characters say.

Dumbledore says that Grindelwald was only slightly less skillful than him. So if Voldemort is more skillful than Grindelwald, is he equal or better than Dumbledore? Based on portrayal there seems to be a gap between them. Voldemort was scared of him for a reason.
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@Seraphoenix
How many years in we are currently with the two movies?

I heard Dumbledore vs Grindewald is set to close the franchise but something feels wrong with the timeline.
 
RayanOO

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
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#24
#24
Seth Rollins said:
I mean @playa4321 based his question on the power level not about how wise they were.
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Yes but it shows that Voldy must know a lot in dark arts dark spells etc. The guy can fly without broom too this is quite an advantage in a fight and about mobility.
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Seth Rollins said:
I heard Dumbledore vs Grindewald is set to close the franchise but something feels wrong with the timeline.
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they did a lot of mistakes in those new movies, they were really a mess
 
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Formerly Seth

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RayanOO said:
Yes but it shows that Voldy must know a lot in dark arts dark spells etc. The guy can fly without broom too this is quite an advantage in a fight and about mobility.
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they did a lot of mistakes in those new movies, they were really a mess
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The neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew Dumbledore bloodline:suresure::suresure::suresure::suresure:
 
Seraphoenix

Seraphoenix

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#28
#28
Seth Rollins said:
@Seraphoenix
How many years in we are currently with the two movies?

I heard Dumbledore vs Grindewald is set to close the franchise but something feels wrong with the timeline.
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Well based on this we have a way to go where they can insert filler:
https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Fantastic_Beasts_series

The crimes of Grindelwald is around 1927. The duel takes place in 1945. In between that we have a world war and Grindelwald's wizard war.
 
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Zara

#29
#29
99% of the stuff posted in this thread is incorrect and it seems like you all took Defence Against the Dark Arts with Professor Umbridge with the stuff you’re saying. Voldemort can defeat Grindlewald with his eyes closed and he can defeated Dumbledore as well. I will be writing a detailed post on why later on.

Keep underestimating the Dark Lord and you’re going to become a corpse with the Dark Mark floating over your house. Lord Voldemort is by far the greatest wizard in the Harry Potter universe.

 
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Formerly Seth

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#31
Seraphoenix

Seraphoenix

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#32
#32
Seth Rollins said:
I was just confused about a few things. I need to rewatch the movies but I remember after the premiere of the 2nd one. Me and my friend were super confused about one moment.
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I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there were some mistakes. I don't think Rowling is taking the care she usually took. She planned the books better because they were spread over years. Here she has to write quickly so that they can make movies every 2 years. Bound to have some mistakes.

She isn't the writer she used to be imo. Cursed child was so bad :josad:
 
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Formerly Seth

#33
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Seraphoenix said:
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there were some mistakes. I don't think Rowling is taking the care she usually took. She planned the books better because they were spread over years. Here she has to write quickly so that they can make movies every 2 years. Bound to have some mistakes.

She isn't the writer she used to be imo. Cursed child was so bad :josad:
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Cursed child was like this pointless plot in the manga where the child of X character shows up for no reason at all xD.
 
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Fallen Prince

#34
#34
Seth Rollins said:
It's not about horcruxes imo.

Also @Fallen Prince
I don't remember correctly so correct me if wrong but Voldemort needed 14 years to conquer Europe while it took only 6 years for Grindewald.
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No voldemort didnt conquer europe btw he was more relevant in terror activities across britain.

Key reason why voldy failed and griendrlwald had armies were the cause. Griendelwald wanted wizarding world to come out of hiding and live along with muggles or possibly rule over them in a political way.

Voldemort was obssesed with pure blood stuff and was okay to kill muggle born and sideline half blood .
 
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Fallen Prince

#36
#36
Seth Rollins said:
What a hypocrite he was don't you think?:suresure:

Either way, let's hope FB will deliver Grindewald's character.
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Voldemort poor childhood upbringing and adding to the salazar slytherin ideology , voldemort was insane . He def reminds you of ivan the terrible , adolf hitler he was combination of different rulers.


I dont think Griendelwald s cause were to kill muggle born but to have decent rights for wizard.
 
Tyki_Mikk

Tyki_Mikk

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#37
#37
For the one who wanna read the battle between Dumbledore and Voldemort from the book version:
“I have nothing more to say to you, Potter,” he said quietly. “You have irked me too often, for too long. AVADA KEDAVRA!”


Harry had not even opened his mouth to resist. His mind was blank, his wand pointing uselessly at the floor.


But the headless golden statue of the wizard in the fountain had sprung alive, leaping from its plinth, and landed on the floor with a crash between Harry and Voldemort. The spell merely glanced off its chest as the statue flung out its arms, protecting Harry.


“What — ?” said Voldemort, staring around. And then he breathed, “Dumbledore!”


Harry looked behind him, his heart pounding. Dumbledore was standing in front of the golden gates.


Voldemort raised his wand and sent another jet of green light at Dumbledore, who turned and was gone in a whirling of his cloak; next second he had reappeared behind Voldemort and waved his wand toward the remnants of the fountain; the other statues sprang to life too. The statue of the witch ran at Bellatrix, who screamed and sent spells streaming uselessly off its chest, before it dived at her, pin-ning her to the floor. Meanwhile, the goblin and the house-elf scuttled toward the fireplaces set along the wall, and the one-armed centaur galloped at Voldemort, who vanished and reappeared beside the pool. The headless statue thrust Harry backward, away from the fight, as Dumbledore advanced on Voldemort and the golden centaur can-tered around them both.


“It was foolish to come here tonight, Tom,” said Dumbledore calmly. “The Aurors are on their way —”


“By which time I shall be gone, and you dead!” spat Voldemort. He sent another Killing Curse at Dumbledore but missed, instead hitting the security guards desk, which burst into flame.


Dumbledore flicked his own wand. The force of the spell that em-anated from it was such that Harry, though shielded by his stone guard, felt his hair stand on end as it passed, and this time Voldemort was forced to conjure a shining silver shield out of thin air to deflect it. The spell, whatever it was, caused no visible damage to the shield, though a deep, gonglike note reverberated from it, an oddly chilling sound. …“You do not seek to kill me, Dumbledore?” called Voldemort, his scarlet eyes narrowed over the top of the shield. “Above such brutality, are you?”


“We both know that there are other ways of destroying a man, Tom,” Dumbledore said calmly, continuing to walk toward Volde-mort as though he had not a fear in the world, as though nothing had happened to interrupt his stroll up the hall. “Merely taking your life would not satisfy me, I admit —”


“There is nothing worse than death, Dumbledore!” snarled Voldemort.


“You are quite wrong,” said Dumbledore, still closing in upon Voldemort and speaking as lightly as though they were discussing the matter over drinks. Harry felt scared to see him walking along, unde-fended, shieldless. He wanted to cry out a warning, but his headless guard kept shunting him backward toward the wall, blocking his every attempt to get out from behind it. “Indeed, your failure to un-derstand that there are things much worse than death has always been your greatest weakness —”


Another jet of green light flew from behind the silver shield. This time it was the one-armed centaur, galloping in front of Dumbledore, that took the blast and shattered into a hundred pieces, but before the fragments had even hit the floor, Dumbledore had drawn back his wand and waved it as though brandishing a whip. A long thin flame flew from the tip; it wrapped itself around Voldemort, shield and all. For a moment, it seemed Dumbledore had won, but then the fiery rope became a serpent, which relinquished its hold upon Voldemort at once and turned, hissing furiously, to face Dumbledore.


Voldemort vanished. The snake reared from the floor, ready to strike —There was a burst of flame in midair above Dumbledore just as Voldemort reappeared, standing on the plinth in the middle of the pool where so recently the five statues had stood.


“Look out!” Harry yelled.


But even as he shouted, one more jet of green light had flown at Dumbledore from Voldemort’s wand and the snake had struck —Fawkes swooped down in front of Dumbledore, opened his beak wide, and swallowed the jet of green light whole. He burst into flame and fell to the floor, small, wrinkled, and flightless. At the same mo-ment, Dumbledore brandished his wand in one, long, fluid move-ment — the snake, which had been an instant from sinking its fangs into him, flew high into the air and vanished in a wisp of dark smoke; the water in the pool rose up and covered Voldemort like a cocoon of molten glass —For a few seconds Voldemort was visible only as a dark, rippling, faceless figure, shimmering and indistinct upon the plinth, clearly struggling to throw off the suffocating mass —Then he was gone, and the water fell with a crash back into its pool, slopping wildly over the sides, drenching the polished floor.


“MASTER!” screamed Bellatrix.


Sure it was over, sure Voldemort had decided to flee, Harry made to run out from behind his statue guard, but Dumbledore bellowed, “Stay where you are, Harry!
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In the book Dumbledore not only hold himself back with a shape far away from his prime(weaker version) to not kill Voldemort, he also protect Harry alongside stomping Bellatrix easily and even in the end he had the upperhand not like in the movie.
You can see even with multiple nerfs Dumbledore truly win the battle and Voldemort run away, Dumbledore had the upperhand and was powerful enough to deal with Voldemort(overpowered him), protect Harry and stomp Bellatrix...
Let be honest here a Prime Dumbledore would pummel Voldemort so bad im not know if Voldemort could perform the same feat which Grindelwald perform against Voldemort in a 3hour all out battle.
 
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Fallen Prince

#38
#38
Seth Rollins said:
Cursed child was like this pointless plot in the manga where the child of X character shows up for no reason at all xD.
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It was like rowling probably wrote this script in an hour. She is doing lately for money now , i mean other than harry potter she hardly wrote other novels. She is just piggybanking by adding more nonsense.
 
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Formerly Seth

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#39
Fallen Prince said:
It was like rowling probably wrote this script in an hour. She is doing lately for money now , i mean other than harry potter she hardly wrote other novels. She is just piggybanking by adding more nonsense.
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That's the sad reality. People don't know when to step down as a legend. But I try to judge only the quality of her next creations because, to be honest? Let's be honest with each other all of us would try to milk as much $ as we could if we were in the boots of someone like J.K Rowling caliber.


Btw. That pic of Downey on your avy.

He would make a good Grindewald yooooo.
 
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