Versus Battle Hokage Minato vs Alive MS madara

[Forbidden Technique]

Kisame loses to Hidan without intel, I've proven this and there are no counterarguments.

Let's hear it. Even if we put Kisame in a worst case scenario situation where he's caught in Hidan's ritual from a CQC exchange, he's still way too versatile. Hidan, while in character, doesn't go straight for the stab to the heart and without any intel he has no idea how pain resistant Kisame is nor how easily he can simply heal himself. Once the Suiton comes out, intel or not, it renders Hidan's ritual ineffective. It's a low-diff fight.

A TBB is a highly condensed chakra. and it explodes immediately after contact. Good luck absorbing it fast enough. Also, long-range TBBs would be a nightmare for him.

Kisame literally can just avoid all TBB's by taking shelter deep underground.

 

[Daniel]

Just want to ask if Hokage Minato can have access to KCM mode or not for this match-up because the same day that Minato absorbed half of Kurama (Yin Kurama) into himself, he died alongside Kushida.

The version of Minato that is alive (and not an Edo Tensei) wouldn't have this. His strongest form accessible to him would most likely be Sage Mode (Toad sage mode?), but how effective is this transformation without the unlimited chakra reserves granted by Edo Tensei?

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Just want to ask if Hokage Minato can have access to KCM mode or not for this match-up because the same day that Minato absorbed half of Kurama (Yin Kurama) into himself, he died alongside Kushida.

The version of Minato that is alive (and not an Edo Tensei) wouldn't have this. His strongest form accessible to him would most likely be Sage Mode (Toad sage mode?), but how effective is this transformation without the unlimited chakra reserves granted by Edo Tensei?

This is the version of Minato when he's alive, so he doesn't have KCM. He's exactly the same as how he was when he died while Madara is restricted to MS, meaning he'll get the same kind of drawbacks that your average MS user does—although with the exception of him not having eye-sight issues.

 

[Daniel]

This is the version of Minato when he's alive, so he doesn't have KCM. He's exactly the same as how he was when he died while Madara is restricted to MS, meaning he'll get the same kind of drawbacks that your average MS user does—although with the exception of him not having eye-sight issues.

I'm getting the feeling that without EMS, Madara's abilities that are derived from the Sharingan may be greatly reduced compared to his EMS version. His Susanoo won't last as long and it probably won't be able to reach the completed state either. Even the armored state would drain his reserves and eyesight quicker than one would expect, as the one time Itachi (yes I know he was sick and all) showed it off, he went from looking relatively stable to vomiting blood and then dying pretty quick.

Minato did say that his Sage Mode takes time to prepare and he can't use it for long, but it's also less physically draining (Chapter 667), less crippling to its user, and could very well last longer than Madara's Susanoo with just his MS.

Him being hailed as the fastest Hokage of all time would mean that Minato is faster than Madara as well, so the speed advantage would go to him there.

There's also that weird space-time jutsu that Minato used to make a Tailed Beast Bomb disappear when it was heading straight towards the Hokage Rock. Do you think that the same jutsu may work on Madara's Susanoo? It's a large target and Minato is quick enough to evade its attacks and make contact with its blind spots.

 

[IsaziSempi]

Baby shakes Minato. Teleportation didn't even do anything against madara when he just finished off sasuke. Also without sage mode I don't even think you can push madara to midd diff.

 

[Daniel]

Teleportation didn't even do anything against madara when he just finished off sasuke.

That was an arguably stronger version of Madara that had access to Hashirama's sage mode powers though. Kabuto did say before that Madara was designed that his performace as Edo Tensei would be greater than the others, and upon revival as a living being it can be argued that Madara became even stronger.

 

[IsaziSempi]

That was an arguably stronger version of Madara that had access to Hashirama's sage mode powers though. Kabuto did say before that Madara was designed that his performace as Edo Tensei would be greater than the others, and upon revival as a living being it can be argued that Madara became even stronger.

Madara already had hashiramas cells since the creation of the valley. It's part of Madaras arsenal just like Uchiha eyes are a part of Danzo's. All that aside madara can casually change landscapes. Minato best bet is the death god but chances are madara knows it too. Can't remember if tobirama invented it or not.