Questions & Mysteries How Big Mom will fall/Oda's recipe for durable people: Weaken internals, KO externally
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So you're telling me that Kid's plotline in Wano which is "avenging Kaido for his crew" means that he will take down Big Mom? How did you even come up to that conclusion? Kid's biggest *W* is going to be against Kaido not Meme, Kid's entire plotline in Wano is to punish Kaido not Meme. So if Kid is not going to take down Meme then the only logical candidate is Luffy, especially when Ode spent the entire post-timskip setting up Luffy vs Big Mom narrative.
No, what I said and you yourself can see based on the scans posted by you is that Oda doesn't care about some of the "established" plotline he made. Despite Kid having the grudges against Kaido, he went after BM instead now. The Kid vs Kaido is already dead, same for Luffy vs Big Mom (this last in this arc I mean, at least).
We could have a Kid & Luffy vs Kaido with Kid contributing a lot to that defeat and making that plotline have sense, but since author only wants to wank the main character above any other, we have this. Kid couldnt even shine vs Kaido in the roof like against BM is doing now since Luffy and Zoro couldn't have their spotlight taken out.
We could have a Kid & Luffy vs Kaido with Kid contributing a lot to that defeat and making that plotline have sense, but since author only wants to wank the main character above any other, we have this. Kid couldnt even shine vs Kaido in the roof like against BM is doing now since Luffy and Zoro couldn't have their spotlight taken out.
Kid's purpose against Kaido was never to defeat him, Kid's purpose against Kaido is to do something NASTY to him, something that would hurt him as much as Kaido hurt Kid and the pepole of Wano. We've been talking a lot about whether Kaido will die or not since Kaido isn't afraid of death, so punishing Kaido by killing him will not work, and Kid is the right guy to figure out Kaido's weakness since he's infamous for torturing people.
Now when it comes to Kid's showings in the rooftop fight: people are going to lose their shit because of what I'm going to say now, but I'm 100% sure (and this is my headcanon so you're more than free to disagree with me) that Oda robbed Kid's intended feats and gave it to Zoro. I'm pretty sure that originally Zoro and Killer were never intended to be in the rooftop fight, it was spoused to be the "sobody archipelago's" trio that were going to reunite once again and face off against Kaido.
But Oda changed few things because of unexpected events that took place even before Wano: first, Oda realized that he had to bring Meme to Wano, he couldn't finish her plotline in WCI so he brought Meme into Wano; Second, is that the infamous ZKK movement took place and there was no way for Oda to avoid it. Whether we wanna admit it or not but marketing is part of storytelling as well, Oda wouldn't be as sexesful as he is if he wasn't a genius marketologist. Zoro and Luffy are Oda's backbone, their popularity is the key factor in one piece's success as a storytelling, their fanbase alone is as big as other manga audiences. So when Oda was faced with the dilemma to give Zoro fans their so much desired Zoro vs Kaido action and do something against Meme, then he decided to add Zoro and Killer into the rooftop fight.
Oda made the choice to dump Kid into the garbage bucket because there weren't enough feats for all 5 supernovas, so he decided to satisfy Zoro fans by giving him Kid's feats. So it made Kid look like garbage, but even a lazy author as Oda cannot throw away years of buildup and narrative progression dispite sacrificing Kid for sake of Zoro, there's simply too much narrative left for Meme to fulfill and Kid doesn't fit there at all. It is something that only Luffy can accommodate because his character has been tied to Meme. Let me ask you this: do you think it's coincidence that Meme's childhood friends are now part of Luffy's fleet?
The answer is no! Hajrudin and Gertha are meant to play an enormous role in Big Mom's character progression, they are going to tell Meme what happened in Elbaf and what happened to Mother Carmel. All of these characters are tied to Luffy, not Kid, they have nothing to do with Kid, Big Mom has nothing to do with Kid for god's sake.
Kid vs Meme is a great opportunity to give kid some feats and stall Meme until Luffy finishes off Kaido. Kid will damage Meme and wear her off for Luffy, then after Luffy finishes off Kaido Oda will switch them together. Luffy will go to finish off Meme while Kid will go to punish Kaido.
Now when it comes to Kid's showings in the rooftop fight: people are going to lose their shit because of what I'm going to say now, but I'm 100% sure (and this is my headcanon so you're more than free to disagree with me) that Oda robbed Kid's intended feats and gave it to Zoro. I'm pretty sure that originally Zoro and Killer were never intended to be in the rooftop fight, it was spoused to be the "sobody archipelago's" trio that were going to reunite once again and face off against Kaido.
But Oda changed few things because of unexpected events that took place even before Wano: first, Oda realized that he had to bring Meme to Wano, he couldn't finish her plotline in WCI so he brought Meme into Wano; Second, is that the infamous ZKK movement took place and there was no way for Oda to avoid it. Whether we wanna admit it or not but marketing is part of storytelling as well, Oda wouldn't be as sexesful as he is if he wasn't a genius marketologist. Zoro and Luffy are Oda's backbone, their popularity is the key factor in one piece's success as a storytelling, their fanbase alone is as big as other manga audiences. So when Oda was faced with the dilemma to give Zoro fans their so much desired Zoro vs Kaido action and do something against Meme, then he decided to add Zoro and Killer into the rooftop fight.
Oda made the choice to dump Kid into the garbage bucket because there weren't enough feats for all 5 supernovas, so he decided to satisfy Zoro fans by giving him Kid's feats. So it made Kid look like garbage, but even a lazy author as Oda cannot throw away years of buildup and narrative progression dispite sacrificing Kid for sake of Zoro, there's simply too much narrative left for Meme to fulfill and Kid doesn't fit there at all. It is something that only Luffy can accommodate because his character has been tied to Meme. Let me ask you this: do you think it's coincidence that Meme's childhood friends are now part of Luffy's fleet?
The answer is no! Hajrudin and Gertha are meant to play an enormous role in Big Mom's character progression, they are going to tell Meme what happened in Elbaf and what happened to Mother Carmel. All of these characters are tied to Luffy, not Kid, they have nothing to do with Kid, Big Mom has nothing to do with Kid for god's sake.
Kid vs Meme is a great opportunity to give kid some feats and stall Meme until Luffy finishes off Kaido. Kid will damage Meme and wear her off for Luffy, then after Luffy finishes off Kaido Oda will switch them together. Luffy will go to finish off Meme while Kid will go to punish Kaido.
That's some headcanon. Never was stated that Kid likes to torture wtf. He killed those guys. You don't know if they were tortured or Kidd impaled them with those weapons at once.
What you said is pretty far away from reality, there's no more story between Kid and Kaido right now. Kid himself said that now he is finally before a Yonko (despite fought Kaido with Killer some time ago -> like you see, Oda doesn't even remember some basic things, funny to think he cares or remembers Kid's plotline with Kaido), which is BM, saying it like it is his only goal since he accepted Luffy as the Kaido's opponent.
Obviously Oda robbed Kid's (and Law's) feats against Yonko in the roof, or to be more precise their spotlight.
Now we saw that Kid and Law forced BM to go seriously and use Adv CoC attacks while in the roof Kid was doing shit to Kaido (or BM) alongside Zoro despite these giving them the chance for free hits (Kaido at least since he didnt dodge anything until Red Hawk). That obviously doesnt make any sense if now Kid can force BM to use Adv CoC.
And Law forgot to use Gamma Knife against hybrid Kaido and BM, he only used against the only form of Kaido where this skill is useless because of the difference in size and possibly different body internal structure.
Nah, even without the marketing stuff, this guy is a Zorostan as well. Though that helped for sure.
Thinking that Luffy will finish two Yonko in the same arc is delusional. And I never said btw that Kid will defeat her, I dont think so and she has potential for Elbath arc as well, but is more about the build up for her defeat, there isn't that much as with Kaido.
And like I said, the Kid and Kaido story seems to be pretty much done. Kid forgot his grudge with Apoo, and forgot his grudge with Kaido and switched to BM accepting Luffy as the one to face Kaido. Or Oda made him forgot those plotlines so casually.
What you said is pretty far away from reality, there's no more story between Kid and Kaido right now. Kid himself said that now he is finally before a Yonko (despite fought Kaido with Killer some time ago -> like you see, Oda doesn't even remember some basic things, funny to think he cares or remembers Kid's plotline with Kaido), which is BM, saying it like it is his only goal since he accepted Luffy as the Kaido's opponent.
Now when it comes to Kid's showings in the rooftop fight: people are going to lose their shit because of what I'm going to say now, but I'm 100% sure (and this is my headcanon so you're more than free to disagree with me) that Oda robbed Kid's intended feats and gave it to Zoro. I'm pretty sure that originally Zoro and Killer were never intended to be in the rooftop fight, it was spoused to be the "sobody archipelago's" trio that were going to reunite once again and face off against Kaido.
But Oda changed few things because of unexpected events that took place even before Wano: first, Oda realized that he had to bring Meme to Wano, he couldn't finish her plotline in WCI so he brought Meme into Wano; Second, is that the infamous ZKK movement took place and there was no way for Oda to avoid it. Whether we wanna admit it or not but marketing is part of storytelling as well, Oda wouldn't be as sexesful as he is if he wasn't a genius marketologist. Zoro and Luffy are Oda's backbone, their popularity is the key factor in one piece's success as a storytelling, their fanbase alone is as big as other manga audiences. So when Oda was faced with the dilemma to give Zoro fans their so much desired Zoro vs Kaido action and do something against Meme, then he decided to add Zoro and Killer into the rooftop fight.
Oda made the choice to dump Kid into the garbage bucket because there weren't enough feats for all 5 supernovas, so he decided to satisfy Zoro fans by giving him Kid's feats. So it made Kid look like garbage, but even a lazy author as Oda cannot throw away years of buildup and narrative progression dispite sacrificing Kid for sake of Zoro, there's simply too much narrative left for Meme to fulfill and Kid doesn't fit there at all. It is something that only Luffy can accommodate because his character has been tied to Meme. Let me ask you this: do you think it's coincidence that Meme's childhood friends are now part of Luffy's fleet?
The answer is no! Hajrudin and Gertha are meant to play an enormous role in Big Mom's character progression, they are going to tell Meme what happened in Elbaf and what happened to Mother Carmel. All of these characters are tied to Luffy, not Kid, they have nothing to do with Kid, Big Mom has nothing to do with Kid for god's sake.
Kid vs Meme is a great opportunity to give kid some feats and stall Meme until Luffy finishes off Kaido. Kid will damage Meme and wear her off for Luffy, then after Luffy finishes off Kaido Oda will switch them together. Luffy will go to finish off Meme while Kid will go to punish Kaido.
But Oda changed few things because of unexpected events that took place even before Wano: first, Oda realized that he had to bring Meme to Wano, he couldn't finish her plotline in WCI so he brought Meme into Wano; Second, is that the infamous ZKK movement took place and there was no way for Oda to avoid it. Whether we wanna admit it or not but marketing is part of storytelling as well, Oda wouldn't be as sexesful as he is if he wasn't a genius marketologist. Zoro and Luffy are Oda's backbone, their popularity is the key factor in one piece's success as a storytelling, their fanbase alone is as big as other manga audiences. So when Oda was faced with the dilemma to give Zoro fans their so much desired Zoro vs Kaido action and do something against Meme, then he decided to add Zoro and Killer into the rooftop fight.
Oda made the choice to dump Kid into the garbage bucket because there weren't enough feats for all 5 supernovas, so he decided to satisfy Zoro fans by giving him Kid's feats. So it made Kid look like garbage, but even a lazy author as Oda cannot throw away years of buildup and narrative progression dispite sacrificing Kid for sake of Zoro, there's simply too much narrative left for Meme to fulfill and Kid doesn't fit there at all. It is something that only Luffy can accommodate because his character has been tied to Meme. Let me ask you this: do you think it's coincidence that Meme's childhood friends are now part of Luffy's fleet?
The answer is no! Hajrudin and Gertha are meant to play an enormous role in Big Mom's character progression, they are going to tell Meme what happened in Elbaf and what happened to Mother Carmel. All of these characters are tied to Luffy, not Kid, they have nothing to do with Kid, Big Mom has nothing to do with Kid for god's sake.
Kid vs Meme is a great opportunity to give kid some feats and stall Meme until Luffy finishes off Kaido. Kid will damage Meme and wear her off for Luffy, then after Luffy finishes off Kaido Oda will switch them together. Luffy will go to finish off Meme while Kid will go to punish Kaido.
Now we saw that Kid and Law forced BM to go seriously and use Adv CoC attacks while in the roof Kid was doing shit to Kaido (or BM) alongside Zoro despite these giving them the chance for free hits (Kaido at least since he didnt dodge anything until Red Hawk). That obviously doesnt make any sense if now Kid can force BM to use Adv CoC.
And Law forgot to use Gamma Knife against hybrid Kaido and BM, he only used against the only form of Kaido where this skill is useless because of the difference in size and possibly different body internal structure.
Nah, even without the marketing stuff, this guy is a Zorostan as well. Though that helped for sure.
Thinking that Luffy will finish two Yonko in the same arc is delusional. And I never said btw that Kid will defeat her, I dont think so and she has potential for Elbath arc as well, but is more about the build up for her defeat, there isn't that much as with Kaido.
And like I said, the Kid and Kaido story seems to be pretty much done. Kid forgot his grudge with Apoo, and forgot his grudge with Kaido and switched to BM accepting Luffy as the one to face Kaido. Or Oda made him forgot those plotlines so casually.
I think it would be kinda ass for Oda to set up an alliance between kaido and big mom, have big mom be an antagonist 2 arcs in a row, have Kid and Law(rivals of Luffy) face off against big mom, then make Kid and Law lose so that Luffy can return to WCI and face off against big mom yet again after already defeating a guy stated to be stronger than her.
Luffy doesn't need to do everything. He's probably stronger than her anyways at this point, so why not let Kid and Law get one good moment.
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Luffy doesn't need to do everything. He's probably stronger than her anyways at this point, so why not let Kid and Law get one good moment.
Ever since Dressrosa, we saw a formula Oda has been applying over and over for people with high endurance/durability.
Assist (Targets Internals) = Concentrated STOMACH Attack
Finish (Strike) = External FULLBODY Attack
Doflamingo
Ulti
Sasaki. (Here he essentially did 2 of those strikes)
With Kaido we had plenty of internal attacks (Gamma Knife, Counter Shock, Sonic Scythe, etc...) + external attacks (Takt, Kid's attacks). Luffy can do both.
BUT for Big Mom, I think the same formula will apply.
Law will attack her INTERNALLY in the stomach, and nerf her.
Kid will CRUSH her EXTERNALLY to finish her off
Assist (Targets Internals) = Concentrated STOMACH Attack
Finish (Strike) = External FULLBODY Attack
Doflamingo
Ulti
Sasaki. (Here he essentially did 2 of those strikes)
With Kaido we had plenty of internal attacks (Gamma Knife, Counter Shock, Sonic Scythe, etc...) + external attacks (Takt, Kid's attacks). Luffy can do both.
BUT for Big Mom, I think the same formula will apply.
Law will attack her INTERNALLY in the stomach, and nerf her.
Kid will CRUSH her EXTERNALLY to finish her off