Questions & Mysteries How did Mihawk make a black blade and Roger couldn't??

Black blade shusui only when Enma turns black and raises rank will it be the superior blade imo… oda told us in road to laughtale that black blades are the most elite blades in existence so for me shusui sits at the top of its class in the 21 blade class, but if any of those other 20 blades become black and raise in rank then they are superior to shusui as they would then be in the same class as the 12 supreme grade blades.
Shuishui may be elite blade only in terms of class, but in terms of raw strength enma is greater than shushui since it a power up tool for zoro, secondly kaido was afraid of it more than other swords.
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People say Mihawk > Roger due to black blade
We know, Whitebeard (WSM) > Mihawk (WSS)
And, Roger =~ Whitebeard
Idiot ODA and his powerscalings....
:kriwhat:
 
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Swordsman…not of all time.

I’m just going by the story’s emphasis.
Oda has already stated that Zoro will the the strongest swordsman of all time, and how will he do that if not by defeating the second person in the past 900 to make a black blade?

Meaning Mihawk is the strongest of all time, something the story is emphasizing!
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People say Mihawk > Roger due to black blade
We know, Whitebeard (WSM) > Mihawk (WSS)
And, Roger =~ Whitebeard
Idiot ODA and his powerscalings....
:kriwhat:
When was Whitebeard ever stated to be stronger than Mihawk or Kaidou?
 
Mihawk trained, wield, focused, and used his sword in battles all the time because he's a swordsman primarily... Roger used sword just to complement his battle skills, he can fight without sword because he doesn't need it all the time...
 
Oda has already stated that Zoro will the the strongest swordsman of all time, and how will he do that if not by defeating the second person in the past 900 to make a black blade?

Meaning Mihawk is the strongest of all time, something the story is emphasizing!
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When was Whitebeard ever stated to be stronger than Mihawk or Kaidou?
He had the legitimate title of World strongest man until the marineford gauntlet killed him.
 
He had the legitimate title of World strongest man until the marineford gauntlet killed him.
that's not how those titles work, you agenda driven casuals say that because you can't accept the truth!

Whitebeard, Mihawk and Kaidou reached the peak of the world and they were given those titles after, but since Whitebeard had his title when Mihawk and Kaidou were still children, by the time those 2 were as strong if not strongest than Whitebeard they were given the title of creature and swordsman.

Nothing other than baseless agenda drivel has ever implied Whitebeard was stronger than the other 2 world's strongest
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Mihawk trained, wield, focused, and used his sword in battles all the time because he's a swordsman primarily... Roger used sword just to complement his battle skills
I see is it why Roger loved his sword so much he named his kid after it? or is it because Mihawk is a "pure" swordsman and Roger is a "hakiman"?

he can fight without sword because he doesn't need it all the time...
yes I remember the ZERO times we saw him fighting without a sword, it reminds me of when Mihawk and Shanks used to compete in kickboxing matches
 
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Oda does not even know. Its like the one piece, he will drag to not answer until needed.

We all agree that Zoro and Mihawk are swordsman only.

Hard to tell why Roger or Shanks are seen differently but for me its only because Mihawk is all alone and Zoro too ( he must carry weak trio ) and Sanji is a non swordsman.
Roger and Shanks have a big crew so may be they dont have what it needs to black blade a blade...
 
Whitebeard, Mihawk and Kaidou reached the peak of the world and they were given those titles after, but since Whitebeard had his title when Mihawk and Kaidou were still children, by the time those 2 were as strong if not strongest than Whitebeard they were given the title of creature and swordsman.

Nothing other than baseless agenda drivel has ever implied Whitebeard was stronger than the other 2 world's strongest
Whitebeard had the title card seen in manga panel even during the time of marineford.
We cannot assume just that mihwak is stronger than whitebeard, when there is 0 implications of it, otherwise mihawk would be named as world strongest man not only swordsman.
 
Whitebeard had the title card seen in manga panel even during the time of marineford.
We cannot assume just that mihwak is stronger than whitebeard, when there is 0 implications of it, otherwise mihawk would be named as world strongest man not only swordsman.
you didn't read what I said did you? or did you not understand?

You are the one making assumptions that Whitebeard was stronger than Mihawk and Kaidou when the manga didn't!
Mihawk is the strongest because of his sword that's why his title, is this really that hard to grasp?
 
you didn't read what I said did you? or did you not understand?

You are the one making assumptions that Whitebeard was stronger than Mihawk and Kaidou when the manga didn't!
Mihawk is the strongest because of his sword that's why his title, is this really that hard to grasp?
Same here the whitebeards title of WSM still intact during his marineford days, so the heirarchy still counts until and unless proven otherwise.
 
Shuishui may be elite blade only in terms of class, but in terms of raw strength enma is greater than shushui since it a power up tool for zoro, secondly kaido was afraid of it more than other swords.
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People say Mihawk > Roger due to black blade
We know, Whitebeard (WSM) > Mihawk (WSS)
And, Roger =~ Whitebeard
Idiot ODA and his powerscalings....
:kriwhat:
What lol no. Shusui is elite in its class and the superior blade as it has hardness and cutting ability over Enma, yes in the end zoro got stronger using Enma but don’t forget it was all about him going all out with the blade zoros cutting power didn’t just randomly get a increase because he got Enma… he himself stated he was trying to hold Enma back so it wouldn’t kill him this is a problem we never saw with shusui in fact zoro was already doing massive cuts with shusui without the risk of his sword trying to exude extra haki and kill him. What does kaido being afraid of it have to do with it being the superior blade??? It’s the blade that permanently scarred him that doesn’t mean it’s superior to shusui which is black,harder, and would do more damage to kaido .

If you literally give zoro shusui, to me at least not only does he do much better vs kaido but he doesn’t get as tired and he has no need to fight against his blades. He will ultimately still need to go all out vs kaido and king which would still let him flow coc haki.
 
? Because he's updated rogers design in manga and it doesn't match the edd war.
And he doesnt have a pistol.
That is not an update.
That's just a different time.

It's like saying because Roger wore a Strawhat when we first saw him, and then didn't... that Roger never wore a strawhat. It's not an update, it's just a historical fact in the series, he wore a Strawhat just like he used a gun.

I think you've mistaken update for retcon. It's neither an update or a retcon. It's just a different time.

God valley was way before edd war and he doesn't have a pistol.
Doesn't matter.

Ed War and God Valley don't contradict each other, they're different times.
Simply means he had a gun at Ed war and didn't at God Valley.
Doesn't change the fact he had a gun, and we can't say Roger isn't also a sharpshooter.

Your logic here is like saying Shanks had 2 hands 20 years ago, but doesn't have 2 hands now, therefore, it's an update. It's not an update, just 2 different times.

Never said he had the strongest haki


Well.... I disagree, but each to their own.

You don't have to agree, I believe Kaido and Chinjao suggested it especially when saying the Pirate King is the person with the strongest King Haki user.
 

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That is not an update.
That's just a different time.

It's like saying because Roger wore a Strawhat when we first saw him, and then didn't... that Roger never wore a strawhat. It's not an update, it's just a historical fact in the series, he wore a Strawhat just like he used a gun.

I think you've mistaken update for retcon. It's neither an update or a retcon. It's just a different time.


Doesn't matter.

Ed War and God Valley don't contradict each other, they're different times.
Simply means he had a gun at Ed war and didn't at God Valley.
Doesn't change the fact he had a gun, and we can't say Roger isn't also a sharpshooter.

Your logic here is like saying Shanks had 2 hands 20 years ago, but doesn't have 2 hands now, therefore, it's an update. It's not an update, just 2 different times.





Well.... I disagree, but each to their own.

You don't have to agree, I believe Kaido and Chinjao suggested it especially when saying the Pirate King is the person with the strongest King Haki user.
They do.
Because chapter 0 isn't a real chapter in the series it's a special chapter for a film that was made years ago.

In the 1000 odd manga chapters Roger doesn't have a gun.

No it's not.


We've seen Roger pre and post edd war and he's not even carrying a gun

Anyone who doesn't know what Roger did to become pirate king has an irrelevant opinion
 
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