Questions & Mysteries How did Mihawk make a black blade and Roger couldn't??
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As to how you know Oda hadn't finished his design, not sure where you sourced that information from.
It is still canon if you can't give an official source, so we can't say he doesn't use guns especially being roughly 20 years after God Valley.
Chapter 0 is pretty UpToDate, it's 2 years or so before he became Pirate King and 3 years before he died. Hard to say he wasn't also a sharpshooter, or was not solely a Swordsman in other words as these are in the final moments of his life.
On top of that, he was said to have the strongest Haki, so it doesn't appear to me that Haki is the main thing that determines a Black blade. Looks like there's more to a Black Blade than just Haki, and Swordsmanship is possibly also a criteria.
- Who else's design didn't he finish, did he say this?
- Is this from the SBS or a magazine?
It is still canon if you can't give an official source, so we can't say he doesn't use guns especially being roughly 20 years after God Valley.
Chapter 0 is pretty UpToDate, it's 2 years or so before he became Pirate King and 3 years before he died. Hard to say he wasn't also a sharpshooter, or was not solely a Swordsman in other words as these are in the final moments of his life.
On top of that, he was said to have the strongest Haki, so it doesn't appear to me that Haki is the main thing that determines a Black blade. Looks like there's more to a Black Blade than just Haki, and Swordsmanship is possibly also a criteria.
I didn’t even downplay roger there u dumbfuck
All I said is that ‘ roger not following path of the sword ‘ or ‘ roger not giving a flying fuck abt his sword ‘ is a lot of copium
that’s people simply making the character something else which he isn’t
bb can be anything but saying roger don’t give a fuck abt swords ( especially when he has a supreme grade and he named his son after his sword ) is bullshit
All I said is that ‘ roger not following path of the sword ‘ or ‘ roger not giving a flying fuck abt his sword ‘ is a lot of copium
that’s people simply making the character something else which he isn’t
bb can be anything but saying roger don’t give a fuck abt swords ( especially when he has a supreme grade and he named his son after his sword ) is bullshit
You're right, it was Zoro who said that.
My overall point is there is a distinction between Swordsmen, King said he never understood why people would stick to a school or style in the Viz (and in the TCB King says he doesn't understand why anyone would stick to traditional forms or techniques) which follows with Zoro saying King is right since he never claimed to be a Swordsman.
It has been stated, or strongly implied.
Chinjao said in order to be Pirate King, you need to have the most powerful King's Haki.
Kaido also said Roger was able to become Pirate King without a Devil fruit because Haki can surpass everything, so it does suggest Roger did have the most powerful Haki.
Doesn't change the fact we have seen him use a gun too.
We saw him with a Sword in God Valley, in Oden's Flashback, but it doesn't change the fact he used a Gun as well 2 years before he became Pirate King.
Can't dismiss it just because, just stating the facts.
End of the day, it doesn't look like Roger is solely a Swordsman... I don't recall ever seeing Mihawk or Zoro who we know are pure swordsmen with guns.
Vista is also said to be the strongest Swordsman in the WBP, doesn't mean he is stronger than Whitebeard, but it does suggest he is more of a Swordsman than Whitebeard iirc from the Vivre cards.
My overall point is there is a distinction between Swordsmen, King said he never understood why people would stick to a school or style in the Viz (and in the TCB King says he doesn't understand why anyone would stick to traditional forms or techniques) which follows with Zoro saying King is right since he never claimed to be a Swordsman.
It has been stated, or strongly implied.
Chinjao said in order to be Pirate King, you need to have the most powerful King's Haki.
Kaido also said Roger was able to become Pirate King without a Devil fruit because Haki can surpass everything, so it does suggest Roger did have the most powerful Haki.
Doesn't change the fact we have seen him use a gun too.
We saw him with a Sword in God Valley, in Oden's Flashback, but it doesn't change the fact he used a Gun as well 2 years before he became Pirate King.
Can't dismiss it just because, just stating the facts.
End of the day, it doesn't look like Roger is solely a Swordsman... I don't recall ever seeing Mihawk or Zoro who we know are pure swordsmen with guns.
Vista is also said to be the strongest Swordsman in the WBP, doesn't mean he is stronger than Whitebeard, but it does suggest he is more of a Swordsman than Whitebeard iirc from the Vivre cards.
Yes and we have the oden flashback who directly contradict what were don chinjao and kaido because that's the thing, they are the losers of this era. We literally see Luffy flat out saying he don't want to conquer, he wants to be friend which is what we saw in oden's flashback and yes vista is more of a swordsman than wb because WB is not a swordsman and guess what? He has a blade and every blade can become black so black blade got nothing to do with swordsmanship.
Oden who is canonically relative to Roger based on kaido's top 5 is way weaker than ryuma who got a black blade so what's the conclusion?
Oden who is canonically relative to Roger based on kaido's top 5 is way weaker than ryuma who got a black blade so what's the conclusion?
This doesn’t make sense man go look at both divine departures… it’s clear Roger was not trying to cut oden up he send out an attack testing him with the intention of not cutting oden but sent him flying.
chapter 194 There are swordsmen that can cut through anything this includes steel, and there are swordsmen that are able to cut nothing these same swordsmen can cut through steel with the same instrument(sword). Shanks did exactly this, and remember what hyogoro said in chapter 939 a good katana can cut through steel when you want it to and it will not break a sheet of paper if you do not wish it so. It’s all according to the desire of the swordsman! Shanks and Roger desire was not to cut through oden and kidd shanks in using this ability also curbs through the steel railgun but does not cut through Kidd.
Black blade shusui only when Enma turns black and raises rank will it be the superior blade imo… oda told us in road to laughtale that black blades are the most elite blades in existence so for me shusui sits at the top of its class in the 21 blade class, but if any of those other 20 blades become black and raise in rank then they are superior to shusui as they would then be in the same class as the 12 supreme grade blades.
chapter 194 There are swordsmen that can cut through anything this includes steel, and there are swordsmen that are able to cut nothing these same swordsmen can cut through steel with the same instrument(sword). Shanks did exactly this, and remember what hyogoro said in chapter 939 a good katana can cut through steel when you want it to and it will not break a sheet of paper if you do not wish it so. It’s all according to the desire of the swordsman! Shanks and Roger desire was not to cut through oden and kidd shanks in using this ability also curbs through the steel railgun but does not cut through Kidd.
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Black blade shusui only when Enma turns black and raises rank will it be the superior blade imo… oda told us in road to laughtale that black blades are the most elite blades in existence so for me shusui sits at the top of its class in the 21 blade class, but if any of those other 20 blades become black and raise in rank then they are superior to shusui as they would then be in the same class as the 12 supreme grade blades.
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