Anime & Manga How did Sanji fans cope with the fact Zoro has kingly ambitions?

[Salah WG]

Shall I use this panel of Zoro telling Sanji not to fight the CP9 and state Zoro is a weakwilled pussy.

Sanji didnt want Zoro to face Mihawk, cause he cared more about his life than his dream. Same way Zoro never wanted Sanji to face the CP9, cause he cares more about his life. Although Zoro himself would face them in his place. Same way Sanji would sacriface himself for Zeff's treasure but doesnt want Zoro to sacriface his life for his dream.

Like yall just dont know how to read.

Hugely Bad Comparison
The Panel isn't about facing a dangerous situation, it's about ambition

Zoro wasn't facing a Stronger Opponent only, he was literally facing his own Dream
Zoro vs Mihawk is literally like Sanji reaching the Entrance of All Blue or Luffy collecting Four Road Poneglyphs ... etc
You're so close to fulfilling your Ambition

Sanji says: "Throw away your Ambition"
In other words, he isn't asking him to not fight a Stronger Opponent (Luffy also ran from certain encounters)
But he is telling him to drop his Dream because only failure awaits him
That's not Quality of a King at all

And btw that wasn't the only Panel, in Chapter 49, Zoro explained his Way of Bushido after Sanji called Luffy & Zoro fools for wanting to go to Grand Line to fulfill their Dreams, and even after Zoro showed his Resolve, Sanji still called him "Stupid". While Zeff on the other hand loved Luffy, Zoro & Usopp's Resolve & is always angry at Sanji who refuses to leave Baratie

No one is saying Sanji doesn't have Leader Qualities, & no one is saying Sanji is Weak
But it's pretty obvious that Sanji is not a CoC User, only Luffy & Zoro are
Usopp will Unlock it too but he will most probably discover the origin of CoC, rather than just Unlock it like Luffy/Zoro
Cuz after all, it's part of his Dream

 

[Chrono]

Yes Sanji believes someone’s life is more important than their ambition because he didn’t know how important Zoros ambition was to him.
Simultaneously sanji believes someone’s life is less important than their ideals also shown In Baratie when he showed that he’d rather die than let Zeff who he sees as a father die.

Both we’re always willing to die for what they see as most important to them.
Good bait thread tho!

Nah Sanji doesnt believe that. Its just that hes hypocritical, doesnt care about Zoro's dream and doesnt wanna see Zoro die. Sanji was willing to sacriface himself for the All Blue and then the Baratie. He believe in those and was willing to die for it.

 

[mrtsrdr]

all coc user dont have kingly ambition.
sanjis dream is just a myth . No need for kingly ambition.
also , even though sanji dont prefer to fight if it is unnecessary, he got the third guy who is very close the zoros opponent in terms of
and just think about this question
Why did zoro join crew and why did sanji join crew .
You can see the differences clearly.

 

[Salah WG]

So the panels chrono shared are non canon too?

Panels he shared neither deny nor confirm Sanji having CoC, but they would be a nice callback if Sanji unlocks it one day
However the Panel Comrade shared denies Sanji having CoC

 

[comrade]

Nah Sanji doesnt believe that. Its just that hes hypocritical, doesnt care about Zoro's dream and doesnt wanna see Zoro die. Sanji was willing to sacriface himself for the All Blue and then the Baratie. He believe in those and was willing to die for it.

He assaulted Jeff with a knife, ready to backstab him in order to steal his food. Yet you think Sanji told Zoro to throw his ambition away to survive. Luffy would've never said that, because he understands what ambition means. Also what @Salah WG said.

 

[mrtsrdr]

Hugely Bad Comparison
The Panel isn't about facing a dangerous situation, it's about ambition

Zoro wasn't facing a Stronger Opponent only, he was literally facing his own Dream
Zoro vs Mihawk is literally like Sanji reaching the Entrance of All Blue or Luffy collecting Four Road Poneglyphs ... etc
You're so close to fulfilling your Ambition

Sanji says: "Throw away your Ambition"
In other words, he isn't asking him to not fight a Stronger Opponent (Luffy also ran from certain encounters)
But he is telling him to drop his Dream because only failure awaits him
That's not Quality of a King at all

And btw that wasn't the only Panel, in Chapter 49, Zoro explained his Way of Bushido after Sanji called Luffy & Zoro fools for wanting to go to Grand Line to fulfill their Dreams, and even after Zoro showed his Resolve, Sanji still called him "Stupid". While Zeff on the other hand loved Luffy, Zoro & Usopp's Resolve & is always angry at Sanji who refuses to leave Baratie

No one is saying Sanji doesn't have Leader Qualities, & no one is saying Sanji is Weak
But it's pretty obvious that Sanji is not a CoC User, only Luffy & Zoro are
Usopp will Unlock it too but he will most probably discover the origin of CoC, rather than just Unlock it like Luffy/Zoro
Cuz after all, it's part of his Dream

please tell me do every coc user have kingly ambition ? Why are we looking for this standard ?

 

[comrade]

please tell me do every coc user have kingly ambition ? Why are we looking for this standard ?

Yes, because that is what color of the supreme king/color of the conqueror means.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Yes, because that is what color of the supreme king/color of the conqueror means.

Katakuri?

 

[Chrono]

That's not ambition. That is Sanji being angry at some pirate crew beating the crap out of him and humiliating him. At the island he was ready to kill Jeff, his savior, for food. Only acknowledged his debt once he realized Jeff gave him all the food. So you say the same Sanji who assaulted Jeff with a knife to survive, had an inner monologue about throwing your ambition away and live because he cared for Zoro?

What biased nonsense is this. Are you fucking blind....

How can you even make seem like that. Sanji was the only one who went out and faced them...knowing they wanna kill him

Everyone else bitched out

Sanji then took a kick and then showed he was gonna die for the All Blue

But sure it was about humilation and anger lmao. Yall spiteful hoes flopped hard.

Fucking Zoro's pathetic ass was crying about losing 2000 times to Stair girl.

 

[mrtsrdr]

Yes, because that is what color of the supreme king/color of the conqueror means.

Please let me ask one more question.
What is ace yamato,ace,whitebeard,rayleigh kingly ambition ?

 

[Salah WG]

please tell me do every coc user have kingly ambition ? Why are we looking for this standard ?

Having Kingly Ambition =/= You're a CoC User
However
Having Anti-Kingly Ambition = You're not a CoC User
As simple as that

 

[Chrono]

He assaulted Jeff with a knife, ready to backstab him in order to steal his food. Yet you think Sanji told Zoro to throw his ambition away to survive. Luffy would've never said that, because he understands what ambition means. Also what @Salah WG said.

Cause in Sanji's eyes...Zeff is the villain. He caused everything. Its his fault that they attacked his ship. Sanji didnt owe him shit at that point to his knowledge as well.. Plus Sanji was near starvation. Nearly gonna die. Try harder.

 

[Lion of Olympus]

Yes, because that is what color of the supreme king/color of the conqueror means.

What “kingly ambition” does someone like Katakuri have? The dude was didn’t even wanna show his face out of insecurity lol

 

[mrtsrdr]

guys dont cheat yourself .
sanji has blue flame. If there is consensus about sanji generate hotter flame , the only way is coating .

if you say no powerup anymore , okay no coc for sanji

 

[BillSlipton]

Good strategy

Stole it from the zboys

 

[mrtsrdr]

Having Kingly Ambition =/= You're a CoC User
However
Having Anti-Kingly Ambition = You're not a CoC User
As simple as that

if creating family or protecting family count kingly ambition , sanji absolutely has coc :)

 

[Chrono]

Hugely Bad Comparison
The Panel isn't about facing a dangerous situation, it's about ambition

Zoro wasn't facing a Stronger Opponent only, he was literally facing his own Dream
Zoro vs Mihawk is literally like Sanji reaching the Entrance of All Blue or Luffy collecting Four Road Poneglyphs ... etc
You're so close to fulfilling your Ambition

Sanji says: "Throw away your Ambition"
In other words, he isn't asking him to not fight a Stronger Opponent (Luffy also ran from certain encounters)
But he is telling him to drop his Dream because only failure awaits him
That's not Quality of a King at all

And btw that wasn't the only Panel, in Chapter 49, Zoro explained his Way of Bushido after Sanji called Luffy & Zoro fools for wanting to go to Grand Line to fulfill their Dreams, and even after Zoro showed his Resolve, Sanji still called him "Stupid". While Zeff on the other hand loved Luffy, Zoro & Usopp's Resolve & is always angry at Sanji who refuses to leave Baratie

No one is saying Sanji doesn't have Leader Qualities, & no one is saying Sanji is Weak
But it's pretty obvious that Sanji is not a CoC User, only Luffy & Zoro are
Usopp will Unlock it too but he will most probably discover the origin of CoC, rather than just Unlock it like Luffy/Zoro
Cuz after all, it's part of his Dream

It is similar. Im showing 2 scenarios where both Zoro and Sanji act hypocritical to each other. We know Zoro would face the CP9 in Sanji's shoes...but he still tells Sanji not to do it. We also know Sanji would sacriface himself...yet he still states what he said for Zoro.

And btw that wasn't the only Panel, in Chapter 49, Zoro explained his Way of Bushido after Sanji called Luffy & Zoro fools for wanting to go to Grand Line to fulfill their Dreams, and even after Zoro showed his Resolve, Sanji still called him "Stupid". While Zeff on the other hand loved Luffy, Zoro & Usopp's Resolve & is always angry at Sanji who refuses to leave Baratie

No one is saying Sanji doesn't have Leader Qualities, & no one is saying Sanji is Weak
But it's pretty obvious that Sanji is not a CoC User, only Luffy & Zoro are
Usopp will Unlock it too but he will most probably discover the origin of CoC, rather than just Unlock it like Luffy/Zoro
Cuz after all, it's part of his Dream

Yes cause st that point Sanji is deep in his debt and doesnt even think about his dream. He only cares about Zeff's treasure because he feels like he owes him for life. Again it isnt fair to compsre them. Your better off comparing them to Kid Sanji, back when he had no debt to Zeff.

Sanji isnt a CoC user, because he hasnt shown it. Hpwever his will has tremendously been potrayed with Luffy and Zoro constantly. Yall only ever bring up Baratie....because that was when he was fully devoted to his debt to Zeff.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Hugely Bad Comparison
The Panel isn't about facing a dangerous situation, it's about ambition

Zoro wasn't facing a Stronger Opponent only, he was literally facing his own Dream
Zoro vs Mihawk is literally like Sanji reaching the Entrance of All Blue or Luffy collecting Four Road Poneglyphs ... etc
You're so close to fulfilling your Ambition

Sanji says: "Throw away your Ambition"
In other words, he isn't asking him to not fight a Stronger Opponent (Luffy also ran from certain encounters)
But he is telling him to drop his Dream because only failure awaits him
That's not Quality of a King at all

And btw that wasn't the only Panel, in Chapter 49, Zoro explained his Way of Bushido after Sanji called Luffy & Zoro fools for wanting to go to Grand Line to fulfill their Dreams, and even after Zoro showed his Resolve, Sanji still called him "Stupid". While Zeff on the other hand loved Luffy, Zoro & Usopp's Resolve & is always angry at Sanji who refuses to leave Baratie

No one is saying Sanji doesn't have Leader Qualities, & no one is saying Sanji is Weak
But it's pretty obvious that Sanji is not a CoC User, only Luffy & Zoro are
Usopp will Unlock it too but he will most probably discover the origin of CoC, rather than just Unlock it like Luffy/Zoro
Cuz after all, it's part of his Dream

… Zeff states that Sanji has the same spear of grit that Luffy had… what do you think he was referring to?

 

[comrade]

How can you even make seem like that. Sanji was the only one who went out and faced them...knowing they wanna kill him

Do you understand the scope of what ambitions of the supreme king/conqueror means? It goes far beyond the desire to find a fish pond and defending himself against scrubs.

What “kingly ambition” does someone like Katakuri have? The dude was didn’t even wanna show his face out of insecurity lol

He hid his face to protect his family. As a child he didn't give a shit, until his sibling was attacked because of it. He wanted to be strong for his family. He had kingly ambitions as he was always the one to take charge, even Big Mom felt threatened by Katakuri just interfering with her fights, hence telling him to stay back since he is "just" her son.

 

[Chrono]

Do you understand the scope of what ambitions of the supreme king/conqueror means? It goes far beyond the desire to find a fish pond and defending himself against scrubs.

Aahh nice now youre tryna change your argument. You went from trying to imply Sanji doesnt have "Kingly Ambitions" becaue he told Zoro to give up his ambition. To now saying the All Blue isnt a Kingly Ambition.

Nice flop thread. Have a good day