General & Others How would you make Zoro a better character?

[Finalbeta]

The Grandmaster could try to have better interactions with his nakamas

However I feel it's not true his personality was different pre ts, he was never used to share many moments with his friends. He usually spent time sleeping and training.

 

[nik87]

60 chapters of Wano specfically focused on the past of Wano and the residents of Wano and Zoro even gets a tie to Wano through Wado Ichimonji and then now the war begins BUT you want the story to take ANOTHER break to go back into some random character's past
Multiple people whoknew Ushimaru have looked directly at Zoro and none of then saw a resemblance. Zoro himself has heard the name Shimotsuki mentioned a number of times and he hasn't even reacted to it big the name of his home town. Zoro literally met the person who made Sandai Kitetsu and he was like "Oh okay. Neat"
I think we are done here. Theres nothing there. The story doesn't care. Zoro doesnt care. So we shouldn't care. Theres nothing there

Not another break, just information along the way and his visit to Ryuma's grave is scheduled after everything else is finished, afaik so there is time to explain his ties to Ushimaru if he has them. Conveniently he has formed a relationship with the very fox who was a companion of the guy who looks like the spitting image of Zoro.

I know you dislike the idea but we shouldnt bury our heads into the sand and chant "There is nothing there"...
If he ends up not having any ties with Ushimaru, no biggie. Oda said, afaik, that Zoro's past will be a minor thing and being related to Ushimaru is a minor thing, nothing game-changing.

Oda has been dropping hints if you are actually paying attention without being hell-bent on "Zoro has nothing to do with it".
When Onimaru tells him about Ryuma, Zoro responds with "That has nothing to do with me..."
When Hiyori wants to give Enma to Zoro, Kappa says that she cant give her father's sword to a man of "unknown origins"...
Oda has done a lot of background work between Zoro and Wano, we will see where it all ends up.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Conveniently he has formed a relationship with the very fox who was a companion of the guy who looks like the spitting image of Zoro.

How do you know he's the spitting image? All you saw was blurry images and silhouettes. Wouldn't the fox have a better idea of who Zoro looks like? Yet the fox never reacts to this SUPPOSED resemblance

 

[nik87]

How do you know he's the spitting image? All you saw was blurry images and silhouettes.

Hehe, I mean you cant deny it even if you want to...

Wouldn't the fox have a better idea of who Zoro looks like? Yet the fox never reacts to this SUPPOSED resemblance

Perhaps but to fit the plot, PIS occurs. Same reason why Killer didnt recognize Zoro? Because we wouldnt have the great reveal that he is Kamazou later on if he gave it away when he met Zoro...

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Oda has been dropping hints if you are actually paying attention without being hell-bent on "Zoro has nothing to do with it".
When Onimaru tells him about Ryuma, Zoro responds with "That has nothing to do with me..."
When Hiyori wants to give Enma to Zoro, Kappa says that she cant give her father's sword to a man of "unknown origins"...
Oda has done a lot of background work between Zoro and Wano, we will see where it all ends up.

You mean Zoro plus everyone involved saying "There's no connection" is Oda foreshadowing that there's a connection? Is that how foreshadowing works? Are we going to start using characters and story saying the opposite of a thing as foreshadowing of the thing now?

So The Fox and Kawamatsu either forgot what this Ushimaru guy looks like or they just plainly don't care that this random guy who took Ryuma’s sword also happens to look like Ushimaru?

Why don't you get that stories have to have a point? Why would Oda introduce a forced backstory for Zoro when it doesn't affect Zoro or the story? You mean Oda just wants to appease you? Oda has time to waste on things that don't matter to characters or plot because why not?

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Hehe, I mean you cant deny it even if you want to...

Perhaps but to fit the plot, PIS occurs. Same reason why Killer didnt recognize Zoro? Because we wouldnt have the great reveal that he is Kamazou later on if he gave it away when he met Zoro...

Show me a "clear resemblance" image then that exists. You know what the word clear means right? The image of Roger laughing is a clear picture of Roger. Show me any image of Ushimaru that's a clear image of this resemblance

 

[nik87]

You mean Zoro plus everyone involved saying "There's no connection" is Oda foreshadowing that there's a connection? Is that how foreshadowing works? Are we going to start using characters and story saying the opposite of a thing as foreshadowing of the thing now?

Because "nothing to do with me" and "unknown origins" could end up with totally different meaning if Zoro has ties to Wano aka Yes, it has to do with him and his origins could be of the family that supported the Kozuki's.

So The Fox and Kawamatsu either forgot what this Ushimaru guy looks like or they just plainly don't care that this random guy who took Ryuma’s sword also happens to look like Ushimaru?

Same reason why Killer didnt recognize Zoro...

Why don't you get that stories have to have a point? Why would Oda introduce a forced backstory for Zoro when it doesn't affect Zoro or the story? You mean Oda just wants to appease you? Oda has time to waste on things that don't matter to characters or plot because why not?

Nothing forced about it, minor thing, as Oda himself said. Yeah Oda cant spare couple of panels on saying that Zoro could be connected to Ushimaru but he can spend chapters and chapters on Luffy beating the fodder of Udon... Reallly?

Show me a "clear resemblance" image then that exists. You know what the word clear means right? The image of Roger laughing is a clear picture of Roger. Show me any image of Ushimaru that's a clear image of this resemblance

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Luffy beating the fodder of Udon... Reallly?

Because luffy is the MC and his training actually matters for the sake of the plot. Same way Zoro only had two panels of trainig with Enma while Luffy gets four chapters

Anyway this is going nowhere. And since Oda won't waste our time then I'm essentially arguing about nothing.

Believe what you want

 

[nik87]

Because luffy is the MC and his training actually matters for the sake of the plot. Same way Zoro only had two panels of trainig with Enma while Luffy gets four chapters
Anyway this is going nowhere. And since Oda won't waste our time then I'm essentially arguing about nothing.
Believe what you want

As I said, my own expectations are for him to expand more on Zoro's connection to Wano. There was build up between the two since the start of the manga, we just didnt know what the sword mark on Isshin Dojo's clothes meant. Doing nothing with it is not a better path to take for Oda as author. There are too many questions about Kozaburo, Ushimaru, Ryuma to just walk over them without addressing them.

Like I said, no need for special treatment and another flashback or anything, just information along the way.
I dont know why you are against the idea of Zoro's possible Shimotsuki lineage when it changes nothing whether he is Shimotsuki or not, his achievements are his own thanks to his effort, however, it would explain where the "I'll be WSS" comes from on a child...

 

[Monkey D Theories]

I wish Oda would do more with his character than just badass sword man who gets lost all the time

 

[Ravagerblade]

Headcanon ties are the best ties.

Soooooo, Luffy x Hiyori. Got it.

I wish Oda would do more with his character than just badass sword man who gets lost all the time

lol You got that right, I stopped being interested in his character around the Time Skip.

 

[Chrono]

Fans: Ooooh I cant wait to hear more about Ryuma in Wano

*Gets mentioned in 1 sentence within 60 chapters*


Fans:

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Fans: Ooooh I cant wait to hear more about Ryuma in Wano

*Gets mentioned in 1 sentence within 60 chapters*


Fans:

No Ryuma was mentioned in the first chapter of Wano with The magistrate saying Zoro robbed Shusui. And after that every time Shusui is brought up they bring up Ryuma and then they set up a an end of arc goal for Zoro to go the grave

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I wish Oda would do more with his character than just badass sword man who gets lost all the time

You mean his relationship with Hiyori is characterised under "badass sword man who gets lost all the time"? This is just one example btw. We can go character to character to see whether all of Zoro's relationships are characterised this way

 

[Monkey D Theories]

You mean his relationship with Hiyori is characterised under "badass sword man who gets lost all the time"? This is just one example btw. We can go character to character to see whether all of Zoro's relationships are characterised this way

My point was that we didn't really see much of zoro post-skip.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

My point was that we didn't really see much of zoro post-skip.

Have we seen much of anyone besides Luffy post-ts though?

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

My point was that we didn't really see much of zoro post-skip.

I thought your point is that Zoro post time skip is only characterised as "badass swordsman who gets lost" are those not your exact words?

Well then if those are your exact words then let's examine EVERY SINGLE SCENE of Zoro post time skip and see if it's true shall we?

Spoiler: it's not true. This thing about Zoro's character is just a meme that people say with nothing to back it up

 

[Dr. Spook]

I wish Oda would do more with his character than just badass sword man who gets lost all the time

To be honest, I would've agreed with you, if you said this pre-Wano...

But in Wano, Zoro's been taking things very, very personal now..
He actually has a solid, personal reason to fight, here in Wano... and I love it.

 

[Pooth]

Have him commit seppuku or
Have hims do something worthy that is aligned with his character

 

[Black]

Have him commit seppuku or
Have hims do something worthy that is aligned with his character