That's the same time that I dropped off of One Piece heavy, especially with everything being drawn out, specifically the Zoro vs Pica shit, and moreso the characters just running and running and running. Like fuck off and stop wasting my time. Already wasn't digging how the Post-TS started off, but Dressrosa was the nail in the coffin for me in terms of genuinely enjoying the series in general.
Chapter Discussion I am sorry but I just cant take Luffy seriously anymore
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Literally what happened pre timeskip too.
Crocodile bodied him, Pell gave him food, Luffy bodied Crocodile.
Lucci bodied him, Luffy ate food (he even mentions in to Lucci that he forgot about his attack after he ate some meat), bodied Lucci.
"I fucking hate what Oda did to him"
How are you 1000 chapters into the series and you still don't know the MC?
Or at least be consistent and slander pre timeskip too, because it has the same issue as post timeskip.
"post timeskip this, post timeskip that", you all are just nostalgia swallowers
Crocodile bodied him, Pell gave him food, Luffy bodied Crocodile.
Lucci bodied him, Luffy ate food (he even mentions in to Lucci that he forgot about his attack after he ate some meat), bodied Lucci.
"I fucking hate what Oda did to him"
How are you 1000 chapters into the series and you still don't know the MC?
Or at least be consistent and slander pre timeskip too, because it has the same issue as post timeskip.
"post timeskip this, post timeskip that", you all are just nostalgia swallowers
The situation wasn't critical when Luffy was asking for food. Saturn was still sitting there talking about Bonney and Kuma's past. It was only AFTER Kuma appeared, that situation became critical, and at that point Luffy didn't have to do anything, because.... Drumroll.... Kuma was already there... Shocking..... I know.... Luffy could have intervened at that critical point, but he didn't have to.
In the very next chapter, he had already got up and disappeared. This was before Kizaru got back up. I repeat, Luffy was already gone before Kizaru got back to his feet. That tells us he was trying to get to the food machine to completely heal, while he still had the time to do so. He's not reading the manga alongside us. He doesn't know Kizaru is back on his feet. He doesn't know that a buster call has been initiated. I know Luffy can see the future and all, but he can't see that far. You're giving him way to much credit, believing he should know all these things minutes in advance.
In the very next chapter, he had already got up and disappeared. This was before Kizaru got back up. I repeat, Luffy was already gone before Kizaru got back to his feet. That tells us he was trying to get to the food machine to completely heal, while he still had the time to do so. He's not reading the manga alongside us. He doesn't know Kizaru is back on his feet. He doesn't know that a buster call has been initiated. I know Luffy can see the future and all, but he can't see that far. You're giving him way to much credit, believing he should know all these things minutes in advance.
The excuses don’t work. What stopped Saturn from saying “shoot her” at any time? What happens if some marine was trigger happy and started shooting beforehand?
All you’re saying is that Luffy was trusting in the kindness of those trying to kill his friends which is obviously silly.
And no. Luffy wouldn’t be getting up at all if someone didn’t give him food in the first place. You can’t try to ignore that when it’s the critical issue here. Without that outside support and without Kuma, they’d all be dead.
Kizaru was already sitting up while Luffy was still munching, and all he’d have to do is point a finger to kill anyone he chose.
Luffy’s state also suggests that it was whoever provided the food for him that also carried him to safety before the Marines could cuff him as they couldn’t see him.
Even if you want to claim he crawled at super speed, why would he need that much food when he wasn’t in anywhere near as terrible a state as when he was on death’s door? Do you think that Luffy is that much weaker than Kizaru?
All you’re doing is degrading Luffy even more to try and excuse it. You think he can’t hear the island being blown apart? Come on now…
All you’re saying is that Luffy was trusting in the kindness of those trying to kill his friends which is obviously silly.
And no. Luffy wouldn’t be getting up at all if someone didn’t give him food in the first place. You can’t try to ignore that when it’s the critical issue here. Without that outside support and without Kuma, they’d all be dead.
Kizaru was already sitting up while Luffy was still munching, and all he’d have to do is point a finger to kill anyone he chose.
Luffy’s state also suggests that it was whoever provided the food for him that also carried him to safety before the Marines could cuff him as they couldn’t see him.
Even if you want to claim he crawled at super speed, why would he need that much food when he wasn’t in anywhere near as terrible a state as when he was on death’s door? Do you think that Luffy is that much weaker than Kizaru?
All you’re doing is degrading Luffy even more to try and excuse it. You think he can’t hear the island being blown apart? Come on now…
And if Saturn ordered it sooner, Luffy could have kickstarted his heart, and jumped in to save her. He didn't have to, because there was no immediate threat. He was given food almost immediately after Kuma's flashback ended. Then Kuma showed up, and Luffy didn't have to jump in and save her, because Kuma was there.
So the new argument is, is someone snuck over, gave Luffy food, and then when Saturn ordered them to put Luffy in seastone cuffs, that same person snuck back over, grabbed Luffy right before the Marines eyes, yet somehow no one managed to see it, and brought him over to the food machine? Who is this speed beast, that can zip around without Saturn or Kizaru noticing, and why didn't they save Bonney? And better yet, why didn't they just bring him to the food machine to begin with? What's with the extra step, which only achieved alerting the Marines?
It doesn't matter if Luffy has noticed it now. He's good. He's eaten. It's time for him to get back into the fight. But there is no way he knew all of this prior. He was already gone when everything transpired.
So the new argument is, is someone snuck over, gave Luffy food, and then when Saturn ordered them to put Luffy in seastone cuffs, that same person snuck back over, grabbed Luffy right before the Marines eyes, yet somehow no one managed to see it, and brought him over to the food machine? Who is this speed beast, that can zip around without Saturn or Kizaru noticing, and why didn't they save Bonney? And better yet, why didn't they just bring him to the food machine to begin with? What's with the extra step, which only achieved alerting the Marines?
It doesn't matter if Luffy has noticed it now. He's good. He's eaten. It's time for him to get back into the fight. But there is no way he knew all of this prior. He was already gone when everything transpired.
Nope. That doesn’t work because Luffy wouldn’t be begging for food if he could just do it sooner. He wouldn’t still be on the ground if that were the case.
It’s clear that Luffy absolutely needed the food to even get up.
You keep trying to gloss over the needing food but when that’s the sticking point. Again, he shouldn’t need it at all to begin with.
You simply can’t have it both ways. Luffy can’t both be able to just restart his heart beat whenever he wants and be begging for food despite not needing it.
It’s clear that Luffy absolutely needed the food to even get up.
You keep trying to gloss over the needing food but when that’s the sticking point. Again, he shouldn’t need it at all to begin with.
You simply can’t have it both ways. Luffy can’t both be able to just restart his heart beat whenever he wants and be begging for food despite not needing it.
He was completely out of commission. But again, even in this situation Luffy should not push himself. He needs all his strenght, he can't just go to its limits when everyones lives are on the lines and there are no clear solution to get out of the conflict.
No its not. Its logical, its what Luffy has always been doing. Resting in middle of conflict to regain strenght is the best way for him and for everyone else to be safe.
Again, pushing himself to its limits in a situation where there are multiples ennemies not accounted for, a buster call and multiple seraphine would simply be stupid and suicidal. Luffy is not a god and not a savior, he can't just save everyone by the blink of an eye just because he wants to, he has limits (his own) and he can't just defeat an entire fleet plus multiple seraphine, plus multiple pacifista plus an admiral plus a gorosai member with one punch.
No its not. Its logical, its what Luffy has always been doing. Resting in middle of conflict to regain strenght is the best way for him and for everyone else to be safe.
Again, pushing himself to its limits in a situation where there are multiples ennemies not accounted for, a buster call and multiple seraphine would simply be stupid and suicidal. Luffy is not a god and not a savior, he can't just save everyone by the blink of an eye just because he wants to, he has limits (his own) and he can't just defeat an entire fleet plus multiple seraphine, plus multiple pacifista plus an admiral plus a gorosai member with one punch.
He already ate the food before he disappeared. That gave him strength back to be able to move, and go to the vending machine.
Restarting his heart is a last resort, because it comes at the risk of him dying, as pointed out by Kaido. If it's not 100 percent necessary, then he shouldn't do it.
What would restarting his heart, just to save Bonney when she wasn't in immediate danger have achieved, when once it wore out, Luffy would have been in 100 times worse condition, and now he's out of the fight for good?
Restarting his heart is a last resort, because it comes at the risk of him dying, as pointed out by Kaido. If it's not 100 percent necessary, then he shouldn't do it.
What would restarting his heart, just to save Bonney when she wasn't in immediate danger have achieved, when once it wore out, Luffy would have been in 100 times worse condition, and now he's out of the fight for good?