Speculations I think the "final order" of antagonists is reasonable to consider when you think about Luffy and Zoro's matchups together
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I think it could be cool if zoro fights s-hawk this arc personally with a mix of kaku
As for the final fights i dont think itd make much sense to lower the scale much
Like if luffy fights bb after imu than he has to pose an even bigger and emediet threat than the wg
If luffy fights shanks it doesn't have to be since the emotional weight would be whats carrying it the most. At the start time i cant imagine the fight itself being all that interesting since i dont think shanks is all that strong
Likely in what way?
As for the final fights i dont think itd make much sense to lower the scale much
Like if luffy fights bb after imu than he has to pose an even bigger and emediet threat than the wg
If luffy fights shanks it doesn't have to be since the emotional weight would be whats carrying it the most. At the start time i cant imagine the fight itself being all that interesting since i dont think shanks is all that strong
Likely in what way?
A lot of them are scared also because the WG rules over them. There are kingdom's probably opress their thoughts too from spreading to the WG's eye to not lose their status, as we saw any one from the WG would just fo wild on a nation not affiliated to them doing whatever hey would want.
While marines obey them. Even Akainu and Kizaru are on board with killing Vegapunk, Cross Guild aint the answer for that, the actions of straw hats and revs are. They might effect navy in one way or other the marines with their hunting but not defeating them completely
While marines obey them. Even Akainu and Kizaru are on board with killing Vegapunk, Cross Guild aint the answer for that, the actions of straw hats and revs are. They might effect navy in one way or other the marines with their hunting but not defeating them completely
Yes there are some that disagree with the marines, but they’re a minority in the OP world. The Marineford war showed how much the people in the world all over were cheering for the marines. The vast majority of the citizens believe that the marines are the good guys. Only a small amount would be happy to see Luffy take them down.
I’m saying if Cross Guild is going to be important (I’d be shocked if they aren’t) is that they only make sense as the EOS villains merely because of Mihawk.
And:
1. Cross Guild declares war on the World Government (crocodile and Mihawks dreams are dependent on the WGs fall)
2. The admirals come to stop them
3. Buggy “bravely” says he’ll go ahead to invade the castle (really looks for a place to hide)
4. Buggy accidentally stumbles into Imus throne room and meets Imu
5. Buggy begs and pleads imu to let him live, Imu agrees since his current faces (the gorosei) are about to be defeated and he’ll need someone knew to pass out Imus divine law.
6. Buggy is seen sitting on the empty throne and the world over claims he’s the king of the world when it’s really just Imu backing him.
So literally the exact same way he became a warlord and a yonko.
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I’m saying if Cross Guild is going to be important (I’d be shocked if they aren’t) is that they only make sense as the EOS villains merely because of Mihawk.
And:
1. Cross Guild declares war on the World Government (crocodile and Mihawks dreams are dependent on the WGs fall)
2. The admirals come to stop them
3. Buggy “bravely” says he’ll go ahead to invade the castle (really looks for a place to hide)
4. Buggy accidentally stumbles into Imus throne room and meets Imu
5. Buggy begs and pleads imu to let him live, Imu agrees since his current faces (the gorosei) are about to be defeated and he’ll need someone knew to pass out Imus divine law.
6. Buggy is seen sitting on the empty throne and the world over claims he’s the king of the world when it’s really just Imu backing him.
So literally the exact same way he became a warlord and a yonko.
Mihawk won’t be Zoro’s final fight. He’ll have a fight as the WSS just as Luffy will have a fight as the Pirate King.
That being said, there’s no point in having Yonko when there’s a Pirate King, so I see all the Yonko getting dealt with by the end of Raftel.
At that point, it’s just pirates allied under the Pirate King taking on the WG.
That being said, there’s no point in having Yonko when there’s a Pirate King, so I see all the Yonko getting dealt with by the end of Raftel.
At that point, it’s just pirates allied under the Pirate King taking on the WG.
While I'd normally agree with this statement, Oda had made it pretty clear that PK isn't Luffy's endgoal, unlike Zoro's. Becoming PK is just a stepping stone for what he really wants to do.
When it comes to Shanks, my point is that we really don't know what he wants. He's only now going after One Piece, but we've never heard him actually declaring he wants to actually be PK. There's still this hidden mystery of what he intends to do going forward and what his goals are. Like Luffy's secret dream, I wonder if Shanks has something that parallels or even stands as a roadblock to it.
I do agree that there's still a very real possibility that he and/or BB can go down before the final war, but I still believe his goals are deeper than PK/rule the world like Blackbeards is. This is why i can see him lasting beyond the PK seat.
When it comes to Shanks, my point is that we really don't know what he wants. He's only now going after One Piece, but we've never heard him actually declaring he wants to actually be PK. There's still this hidden mystery of what he intends to do going forward and what his goals are. Like Luffy's secret dream, I wonder if Shanks has something that parallels or even stands as a roadblock to it.
I do agree that there's still a very real possibility that he and/or BB can go down before the final war, but I still believe his goals are deeper than PK/rule the world like Blackbeards is. This is why i can see him lasting beyond the PK seat.
Cross guild is too weak to accomplish that.
One top tier. One high tier. And a bunch of fodders
Even from the pirate-centric narrative of OP, it has been made very clear that like 95% of the marines are good guys and maybe like 5% of the pirates are good guys.
I think this is how it is seen generally by the OP world as well.
So Luffy and co taking out marines would be bad optics (as well as objectively a bad thing IMO) is I think what @Sir Yasheen is saying
One top tier. One high tier. And a bunch of fodders
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Even from the pirate-centric narrative of OP, it has been made very clear that like 95% of the marines are good guys and maybe like 5% of the pirates are good guys.
I think this is how it is seen generally by the OP world as well.
So Luffy and co taking out marines would be bad optics (as well as objectively a bad thing IMO) is I think what @Sir Yasheen is saying
