Speculations I think the "final order" of antagonists is reasonable to consider when you think about Luffy and Zoro's matchups together
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-Justice: Fujitora's priority has always been protecting the innocent. During Dressrosa he prioritized that over anything else.
First he sided with Doflamingo as he was sure once the Strawhats wreak havoc it will endanger civilian life. What made him change sides is when Doffy created the bird cage, there he had no choice but to bet on the Strawhats for the overall well being of the DR citizens.
Fujitora thinks that even with the current WG, innocent people of the world can still be protected and live decent lives. Kuma is a former warlord, I don't see why Fujitora would give him any sentiment. But yeah the reason he abolished the warlord system was not because he hated these pirates like Akainu does, that's false on so many levels lol
Fuji always had the common people's well being in his mind. It's what Smoker told him and what he witnessed in Dressrosa
-Loyalty to the WG: Fujitora is not an idiot, he understands the value and weight of his position, and he did remark to Doflamingo that his position as admiral will allow him to work on his goals. If he still wants to makes changes in the system and help purify the justice enacted by the WG, he has no choice but to keep his position. This was one of the dilemmas he face in Dressrosa, he could not lay a hand on Doflamingo because that would immediately lose him his position.
It's not like Issho was happy with the whole situation. He's simply helpless against a system that's larger than the world.
If Fujitora had the choice of completely destroying the WG and starting a new age of benevolent rule focusing on the safety of civilians rather than the marines simply being the superficial face of tyranny, he would choose the former in the blink of the eye.
However for intelligent characters in the verse, something as the abolishment of the WG is nothing but wishful thinking.
Don't compare him to the goofiness of Luffy lol
He cannot afford to lose his position based on whims, it's a heavy weight to burden but that's why Issho is a great man. That's exactly why he had to clash with the Revos in Mariejos, he's not a kid who doesn't see the consequences of his actions.
He does value the marines, just not the way they are enacting their justice. He's more concerned with doing things in the right way rather than appearing right to the public, which is why he bowed his head in forgiveness for the crimes comitted by the government.
-Future Fleet Admiral: The marines obviously won't be abolished EoS seeing how Coby wants to be an admiral.
There are multiple reasons why Fujitora will lead the navy:
1. He's the most politically oriented Admiral in the series. In 2 years he already abolished the Warlord System.
2. The world is familiar with his humility and justice, the entire world saw him bowing his head in forgiveness for the WG crimes.
3. Already exchanged words with Sabo, and interacted with him again in Mariejos although the details are yet to be known.
4. His positive interactions with the Strawhats, he even mentioned how he wished he could see his face.
Fujitora is already a fan of Luffy, eventually the Sun God who will free the world.
This man literally blinded himself for the evils he saw, no way you think he's as bad as the others lol
Don't mistake foolishness for good intent, he's doing the best he can to create good in the world.
First he sided with Doflamingo as he was sure once the Strawhats wreak havoc it will endanger civilian life. What made him change sides is when Doffy created the bird cage, there he had no choice but to bet on the Strawhats for the overall well being of the DR citizens.
Fujitora thinks that even with the current WG, innocent people of the world can still be protected and live decent lives. Kuma is a former warlord, I don't see why Fujitora would give him any sentiment. But yeah the reason he abolished the warlord system was not because he hated these pirates like Akainu does, that's false on so many levels lol
Fuji always had the common people's well being in his mind. It's what Smoker told him and what he witnessed in Dressrosa
-Loyalty to the WG: Fujitora is not an idiot, he understands the value and weight of his position, and he did remark to Doflamingo that his position as admiral will allow him to work on his goals. If he still wants to makes changes in the system and help purify the justice enacted by the WG, he has no choice but to keep his position. This was one of the dilemmas he face in Dressrosa, he could not lay a hand on Doflamingo because that would immediately lose him his position.
It's not like Issho was happy with the whole situation. He's simply helpless against a system that's larger than the world.
If Fujitora had the choice of completely destroying the WG and starting a new age of benevolent rule focusing on the safety of civilians rather than the marines simply being the superficial face of tyranny, he would choose the former in the blink of the eye.
However for intelligent characters in the verse, something as the abolishment of the WG is nothing but wishful thinking.
Don't compare him to the goofiness of Luffy lol
He cannot afford to lose his position based on whims, it's a heavy weight to burden but that's why Issho is a great man. That's exactly why he had to clash with the Revos in Mariejos, he's not a kid who doesn't see the consequences of his actions.
He does value the marines, just not the way they are enacting their justice. He's more concerned with doing things in the right way rather than appearing right to the public, which is why he bowed his head in forgiveness for the crimes comitted by the government.
-Future Fleet Admiral: The marines obviously won't be abolished EoS seeing how Coby wants to be an admiral.
There are multiple reasons why Fujitora will lead the navy:
1. He's the most politically oriented Admiral in the series. In 2 years he already abolished the Warlord System.
2. The world is familiar with his humility and justice, the entire world saw him bowing his head in forgiveness for the WG crimes.
3. Already exchanged words with Sabo, and interacted with him again in Mariejos although the details are yet to be known.
4. His positive interactions with the Strawhats, he even mentioned how he wished he could see his face.
Fujitora is already a fan of Luffy, eventually the Sun God who will free the world.
This man literally blinded himself for the evils he saw, no way you think he's as bad as the others lol
Don't mistake foolishness for good intent, he's doing the best he can to create good in the world.
Akainu: Believes that the world has to be purged of all who break the law to ensure Justice
Ryokugyu: Believes that the world needs people inherently inferior to ensure Justice
Fujitora: Believes that certain evils should be ignored to ensure Justice
Fujitora has shown us the evils he will ignore are those of the world government, he walked on Mariejoas land and sinced the slaves under foot. But in the end he sided with the world government when he had a viable out to join an army actively looking to change things.
The fact that Fuji is still a marine shows that he has faith in the system it stands for; otherwise he’d have done what Kuzan did and quit. And you’ve said yourself why Fuji stays, because the World Government will always be the lesser evil that in the end will still protect most of the citizens in the world. If Fuji was going to abandon the WG and join the revs, oda would’ve done it by now. But don’t you think there’s a reason he’s still a part of the WG? I don’t see why he’d change anytime now
When I said he’s just as bad, I don’t mean he’s as maniacal as the other two, but that he has just as much faith in the existence of the WG as the other two do. And his ideology disagrees with that of Luffys just as much as the others do.
So when Akainu and Ryo get taken down, i fully expect Fuji to be taken down as well.
If Kizaru is a swordsman, then so is Arlong
Or are you counting on more plot armor than he had in the last battle? If so, just say it.
No reason to hide it, admit that you want plot armor to drag his ass to victory in fights he cannot win.
Don't go there lmao. You know how stupid this argument actually is. Kizaru used a sword to fight a swordsman, thats it. He used kicks and lasers against Luffy and every other pirate he took out. He never used a sword against Zoro (he almost used a foot laser), and he only used beams against Whitebeard....
Aokiji did the exact same thing, to block an attack from Zoro, then he didn't use one when he won.
The argument you guys like to throw out is if someone uses a sword, they are a swordman. Buggy uses 8 swords. Moria uses scissors that turn into 2 swords. Crocodile uses a dagger under his hook. Just using this logic against you.
They are all "swordsmen" that Luffy has fought. Sorry you don't like it.
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Literally answered your question you goof. That's what Luffy had done to a sword from a "swordsman"
That's not what Fuji believes tho?
Civilian safety above all, there are evils he must ignore,, at least for the time being, because he has no other options.
What do you expect him to do in Mariejos, start a war by himself? Like these are foolish actions started by goofy irresponsible characters like Luffy. He does a piss poor job at upholding the WG's views but he still has to do the minimum to maintain his position.
Without his Admiral position he can neither change the system nor protect civilians.
Civilian safety above all, there are evils he must ignore,, at least for the time being, because he has no other options.
What do you expect him to do in Mariejos, start a war by himself? Like these are foolish actions started by goofy irresponsible characters like Luffy. He does a piss poor job at upholding the WG's views but he still has to do the minimum to maintain his position.
Without his Admiral position he can neither change the system nor protect civilians.
Huh ?
Kuzan did no such thing
He attacked Robin with an ice sword and got blocked and disarmed by pre skip zoro and sanji who are fodder
Unlike kizaru who went toe to toe with a legendary swordsman in a swords duel
He used kicks and beams against fodder and a deadbeard who he never fought
Would akainu make a magma sword to fight Ray or Shanks? No he wouldn't
These aren't even points
This coming from the inept fool who thinks lucci stands a chance against shanks.
Kizaru was never pushed in the war. He had no reason to use it.
Kuzan did no such thing
He attacked Robin with an ice sword and got blocked and disarmed by pre skip zoro and sanji who are fodder
Unlike kizaru who went toe to toe with a legendary swordsman in a swords duel
He used kicks and beams against fodder and a deadbeard who he never fought
Would akainu make a magma sword to fight Ray or Shanks? No he wouldn't
These aren't even points
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This coming from the inept fool who thinks lucci stands a chance against shanks.
Kizaru was never pushed in the war. He had no reason to use it.
That never stopped the revs? Fujitora wants to alter the system, because he believes in it. If he wanted a take down of the system, he wouldn’t be a marine admiral.
If he truly wanted to abandon the WG he would’ve done it in Mariejoa. The war was already started and Fuji showed what side he was on. Since he didn’t change then, what makes you think he’d do it in the future?
Like legitimately, why do you think that Fuji will suddenly choose leaving the WG over changing the system internally? Tbh the answer seems to be that he believes that the WG as a system is correct he just wants to change some minor things in it. And now we’ve seen that what he wanted change has already been changed and he and the WG are chill.
If he truly wanted to abandon the WG he would’ve done it in Mariejoa. The war was already started and Fuji showed what side he was on. Since he didn’t change then, what makes you think he’d do it in the future?
Like legitimately, why do you think that Fuji will suddenly choose leaving the WG over changing the system internally? Tbh the answer seems to be that he believes that the WG as a system is correct he just wants to change some minor things in it. And now we’ve seen that what he wanted change has already been changed and he and the WG are chill.
It takes 3 yonko crews to force Ryokugyu to leave Wano, but a couple fodder marine battleships to force Mihawk to abandon his island and form an alliance with Crocodile to raise his threat level.
But yeah Kizaru is strong enough to put a master swordsman, who scared a prime yonko, on the backfoot by fighting with a secondary style. When Kizaru was trying to deal with Marco's endurance I don't recall him using a sword lmao
Even Graviblade is not swordsmanship, maybe Greenbull with his black blade can be considrered one but then again admirals don't have a single fighting style, they can use whatever.
But yeah Kizaru is strong enough to put a master swordsman, who scared a prime yonko, on the backfoot by fighting with a secondary style. When Kizaru was trying to deal with Marco's endurance I don't recall him using a sword lmao
Even Graviblade is not swordsmanship, maybe Greenbull with his black blade can be considrered one but then again admirals don't have a single fighting style, they can use whatever.