Speculations I think the "final order" of antagonists is reasonable to consider when you think about Luffy and Zoro's matchups together

#41
I think it was Vegapunk who disappeared them. But if not, and if there is indeed someone super strong out there, that person would need to be a hidden yonko like Mihawk. Someone with the strength but without the territories, Grand Fleet and allies. Would be cool but I can't see it happening.
Way before Raid even ended, I predicted that Post-Raid SHs will face Kizaru + Lucci + Kuma, and last Chapter proved me right

I also added three other predictions:

1. Lucci will be Defeated
  • He will cause lot of trouble then get One-Shot
2. Lurking Legend will defeat SHs
  • He will tease Brook's Importance
3. SHs gets separated again
  • Sanji Team sticks with Vega, Zoro gets sent to ID, Luffy gets sent to Mary Geoise

The reason Lurking Legend is a Hidden +Yonko Level Character and he decided to show up now, is cuz he is from Elbaf Kingdom, and he wants to meet Sun God Luffy (This is reason Gorosei were panicking when they saw Nika Poster)

I also predicted that Elbaf have a Book of Fate that spoils them the Future, so the reason those CP Ships were disappearing is cuz he is attacking every Ship that leaves Egghead waiting to find Luffy (He knows Luffy will visit it, he simply doesn't know exact time)

This Character isn't Next Villain, he is simply Teaser for Final Arc (Similar to how Aokiji was Teaser for End of Pre-TS War)
 
#42
Cross guild is too weak to accomplish that.

One top tier. One high tier. And a bunch of fodders
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Even from the pirate-centric narrative of OP, it has been made very clear that like 95% of the marines are good guys and maybe like 5% of the pirates are good guys.

I think this is how it is seen generally by the OP world as well.
So Luffy and co taking out marines would be bad optics (as well as objectively a bad thing IMO) is I think what @Sir Yasheen is saying
Two top tiers, If lucci is coming back boxing with Gear 5, crocodile really is going to live up to the hype he was given in stampede.

So a god tier (Imu)+ 2 top tiers. Which fits for the final villains of the monster trio, and just like in wano, the other straw hats will just be given opponents half way through the arc.
 
#43
Why not? Luffy can’t do it because he’s supposed to be the hero, and the marines are generally looked upon as a good organization in the world. So unless luffys going to be seen as a villain to the op world EOS I can’t see luffy beating the marines.
The revos exist to expose the tyrannical rule of the WG, naturally the marines being the superficial face of the government are included in the mess. A friendly face like Fujitora, who already live broadcasted his justice, will clear things up for the world.
 
#44
The revos exist to expose the tyrannical rule of the WG, naturally the marines being the superficial face of the government are included in the mess. A friendly face like Fujitora, who already live broadcasted his justice, will clear things up for the world.
How will they broadcast it? If the revs have information that’d make the world turn against the WG, why don’t they already share it?

The marines in general are a force for good in the world, and the people prefer them over pirates. We saw in Marineford how happy people were when marines killed whitebeard despite whitebeard being one of the most noble people in the manga.

If luffy is ti end the series as a hero to the entire world, he can’t end by defeating the marines.
 
#45
How will they broadcast it? If the revs have information that’d make the world turn against the WG, why don’t they already share it?

The marines in general are a force for good in the world, and the people prefer them over pirates. We saw in Marineford how happy people were when marines killed whitebeard despite whitebeard being one of the most noble people in the manga.

If luffy is ti end the series as a hero to the entire world, he can’t end by defeating the marines.
Revos are literally liberating countless countries from the WG tyranny, it’s what Dragon has been working towards for 2 decades.
Fujitora is the one who live broadcasted his justice, so the world is already familiar with his justice. After the WG falls he takes control of the marines and explains everything to the world.
SHs might still be look upon as bad guys anyway, they’re pirates lol
 
#46
Revos are literally liberating countless countries from the WG tyranny, it’s what Dragon has been working towards for 2 decades.
Fujitora is the one who live broadcasted his justice, so the world is already familiar with his justice. After the WG falls he takes control of the marines and explains everything to the world.
SHs might still be look upon as bad guys anyway, they’re pirates lol
Luffys not just a pirate, he’s the literal second coming of a god who’s famous for bringing smiles for the world over.

Revs have been toppling governments, but he’s never changed anyones opinions on the marines. The marines are still a well liked system.

And Fujitora is literally just as bad as the others, if the marines fall he’s falling too.
 
#47
Luffys not just a pirate, he’s the literal second coming of a god who’s famous for bringing smiles for the world over.

Revs have been toppling governments, but he’s never changed anyones opinions on the marines. The marines are still a well liked system.

And Fujitora is literally just as bad as the others, if the marines fall he’s falling too.
How's Fujitora as bad as others, according to OP world standards
 
#49
So here my opinion on match up
1. England -
‘Luffy vs rob lucci 2>9]0 rematch fight’
Thst it yep
2. Elbaf arc
Luffy vs Greenbull - as 1 vs1 top tier in katakuri style
Zoro vs ??? probably fight sanji as duel due last straw .

3. Laughtale
Luffy vs Blackbeard
‘Zoro cs Shyrui and Mihawk

4. Final War
Luffy vs Akainu
‘Zoro vs Kizaru

Anout IMU guy depends if oda want to rush series , it will be sabo and dragon vs IMU, If not, then luffy join the fight after defeating Akainu as group battle. If IMU is fighter, otherwise he can be spamdam 2.0.
 
#50
How's Fujitora as bad as others, according to OP world standards
Fuji just has a hatred for pirates; he was still in Mariejoa fighting Sabo trying to stop him from freeing a slave just like Ryokugyu.

Fujitora has no qualms with the WG or Marines anymore. He just hated the warlord system and with that gone he’s remained a good little soldier for them.

Again, marines aren’t going to suddenly be treated like the bad guys in OP. And Luffy isn’t taking down a system which is looked upon favorably because his role is to bring joy to people all over the world.

Akainu May be a bad guy, but the world has faith and trusts him the world over. Which means someone else who the world fears and hates needs to take down the marines and the WG before luffy does so he can still be the hero.
 
#52
Fuji just has a hatred for pirates; he was still in Mariejoa fighting Sabo trying to stop him from freeing a slave just like Ryokugyu.

Fujitora has no qualms with the WG or Marines anymore. He just hated the warlord system and with that gone he’s remained a good little soldier for them.

Again, marines aren’t going to suddenly be treated like the bad guys in OP. And Luffy isn’t taking down a system which is looked upon favorably because his role is to bring joy to people all over the world.

Akainu May be a bad guy, but the world has faith and trusts him the world over. Which means someone else who the world fears and hates needs to take down the marines and the WG before luffy does so he can still be the hero.
OP is a world where “Kurozumi were born to burn” is a statement that people are happy to hear.
Fujitora still understands the limits of his position
Fuji just has a hatred for pirates; he was still in Mariejoa fighting Sabo trying to stop him from freeing a slave just like Ryokugyu.

Fujitora has no qualms with the WG or Marines anymore. He just hated the warlord system and with that gone he’s remained a good little soldier for them.

Again, marines aren’t going to suddenly be treated like the bad guys in OP. And Luffy isn’t taking down a system which is looked upon favorably because his role is to bring joy to people all over the world.

Akainu May be a bad guy, but the world has faith and trusts him the world over. Which means someone else who the world fears and hates needs to take down the marines and the WG before luffy does so he can still be the hero.
I will delve deeper with Fujitora's justice, but first what do you think he should've done in the Mariejos incident
 
#53
OP is a world where “Kurozumi were born to burn” is a statement that people are happy to hear.
Fujitora still understands the limits of his position

I will delve deeper with Fujitora's justice, but first what do you think he should've done in the Mariejos incident
Fujitoras Justice is that he’s willing to turn a blind eye to injustice for his idea of the “greater good.“

He could’ve done what he did in Dressrosa, nothing and just focus on feigning protecting bystanders. Because that’s literally all he did in Dressrosa. Fujitora talks big, but when the chips are down he believes in the world government just as much as any other admiral does. And he’ll be taken down just like every other admiral.

So just because he doesn’t believe in the CDs as gods, he definitely would choose them over the alternative because he sees the world government and the marines as a good organization.
 
#57
Fujitoras Justice is that he’s willing to turn a blind eye to injustice for his idea of the “greater good.“

He could’ve done what he did in Dressrosa, nothing and just focus on feigning protecting bystanders. Because that’s literally all he did in Dressrosa. Fujitora talks big, but when the chips are down he believes in the world government just as much as any other admiral does. And he’ll be taken down just like every other admiral.

So just because he doesn’t believe in the CDs as gods, he definitely would choose them over the alternative because he sees the world government and the marines as a good organization.
-Justice: Fujitora's priority has always been protecting the innocent. During Dressrosa he prioritized that over anything else.
First he sided with Doflamingo as he was sure once the Strawhats wreak havoc it will endanger civilian life. What made him change sides is when Doffy created the bird cage, there he had no choice but to bet on the Strawhats for the overall well being of the DR citizens.

Fujitora thinks that even with the current WG, innocent people of the world can still be protected and live decent lives. Kuma is a former warlord, I don't see why Fujitora would give him any sentiment. But yeah the reason he abolished the warlord system was not because he hated these pirates like Akainu does, that's false on so many levels lol
Fuji always had the common people's well being in his mind. It's what Smoker told him and what he witnessed in Dressrosa


-Loyalty to the WG: Fujitora is not an idiot, he understands the value and weight of his position, and he did remark to Doflamingo that his position as admiral will allow him to work on his goals. If he still wants to makes changes in the system and help purify the justice enacted by the WG, he has no choice but to keep his position. This was one of the dilemmas he face in Dressrosa, he could not lay a hand on Doflamingo because that would immediately lose him his position.

It's not like Issho was happy with the whole situation. He's simply helpless against a system that's larger than the world.


If Fujitora had the choice of completely destroying the WG and starting a new age of benevolent rule focusing on the safety of civilians rather than the marines simply being the superficial face of tyranny, he would choose the former in the blink of an eye.
However for intelligent characters in the verse, something as the abolishment of the WG is nothing but wishful thinking.
Don't compare him to the goofiness of Luffy lol

He cannot afford to lose his position based on whims, it's a heavy weight to burden but that's why Issho is a great man. That's exactly why he had to clash with the Revos in Mariejos, he's not a kid who doesn't see the consequences of his actions.

He does value the marines, just not the way they are enacting their justice. He's more concerned with doing things in the right way rather than appearing right to the public, which is why he bowed his head in forgiveness for the crimes comitted by the government.

-Future Fleet Admiral: The marines obviously won't be abolished EoS seeing how Coby wants to be an admiral.
There are multiple reasons why Fujitora will lead the navy:
1. He's the most politically oriented Admiral in the series. In 2 years he already abolished the Warlord System.
2. The world is familiar with his humility and justice, the entire world saw him bowing his head in forgiveness for the WG crimes.
3. Already exchanged words with Sabo, and interacted with him again in Mariejos although the details are yet to be known.
4. His positive interactions with the Strawhats, he even mentioned how he wished he could see his face.

Fujitora is already a fan of Luffy, eventually the Sun God who will free the world.


This man literally blinded himself for the evils he saw, no way you think he's as bad as the others lol
Don't mistake foolishness for good intent, he's doing the best he can to create good in the world.
 
#58
Way before Raid even ended, I predicted that Post-Raid SHs will face Kizaru + Lucci + Kuma, and last Chapter proved me right

I also added three other predictions:

1. Lucci will be Defeated
  • He will cause lot of trouble then get One-Shot
2. Lurking Legend will defeat SHs
  • He will tease Brook's Importance
3. SHs gets separated again
  • Sanji Team sticks with Vega, Zoro gets sent to ID, Luffy gets sent to Mary Geoise

The reason Lurking Legend is a Hidden +Yonko Level Character and he decided to show up now, is cuz he is from Elbaf Kingdom, and he wants to meet Sun God Luffy (This is reason Gorosei were panicking when they saw Nika Poster)

I also predicted that Elbaf have a Book of Fate that spoils them the Future, so the reason those CP Ships were disappearing is cuz he is attacking every Ship that leaves Egghead waiting to find Luffy (He knows Luffy will visit it, he simply doesn't know exact time)

This Character isn't Next Villain, he is simply Teaser for Final Arc (Similar to how Aokiji was Teaser for End of Pre-TS War)
So let me add a little and see if I get what you are saying right.

Luffy > Lucci. 1B-1.5B. Around YC1. Improved like Bellamy but clearly not at Luffys rate.
Zoro > Kuma. 2B-2.5B. Revolutionaries former YC1 parallells to Zoro while Ivankov to Sanji. Lower bounty than Mihawk but higher than Jinbei, Boa and Crocodile.

Kizaru. 3.5B. Skirmish or he just picks up the already defeated strawhats.
Lurking legend. 4.5-5B. Reason Big Mom doesn't try anything funny against the giants.

So what good would it do for the lurking legend to defeat Luffy and Zoro and have them sent to Impel Down and Mary Geoise? Zoro would be stuck without his swords against Magellan in a cramped space with his terrible sense of direction and lack of sailing skills unable to escape. Luffy would be at the mercy of the Gorosei, Imu and Akainu.
 
#59
Luffy -- Kizaru ( Small Fight) -- Loki ( Small fight ) -- BB -- Akainu (Small Fight sabo continues it) -- Imu.

Zoro -- S hawk -- Random Giant -- Shiryu -- Kizaru/Fuji -- Gandhi/Mihawk. Gorosei fight may not happen
 
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