The moment whitebeard folded him and made him beg for his life is when he lost his rival status.
No he didn't. It is not like Luffy was never pathetic neither while in reality Luffy is even more pathetic.
Like nik said, both are rivals because they are Failure A Lot Duo.
List of Luffy's pathetic showings:
- almost killed by Arlong, drowned to death, if the villager didn't save him
- got captured by Buggy in Loguetown only to get saved by thunder
- got captured by Smoker in Loguetown only to get saved by Dragon
- lost to Crocodile, the kinda loser who ran from New World and hide in Alabasta, not 1 but 2 times
- only won against Lucci because of Usopp's distraction
- fainted against Hody Jones
- got captured by Caesar
- only won against Doffy with help of people worth 1 village
- captured by Enraged Army although tbf it's because of Sanji's betrayal
- got one shotted by Kaido
- not acknowledged as Yonko level by Rob Lucci
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You don't think that Shiryu and Teach already has a connection somehow?
They didn't have any connection. Shiryu was always stationed in Impel Down even before he got locked up, and it was Teach's first visit to ID.
Yeah but Ousen also done goofed before. For example, Makou got killed by Riboku at the beginning of WZI arc.
Nobody in OP verse is Ousen level. OP folks at best only have CoO aka Color of Observation, Ousen has only 1 in the world CoOu Color of Ousen.