General & Others If Jinbe and Yamato won't be Monsters or Wings to Luffy, then what would they be to him?

#61
But it doesn't really change anything, since we all know he'll eventually surpass her, it just leaves more room for speculation about sanji's future strength and power ups
Nah...there won't be any more powerups... I think the SHs will just become strong with just the current strength... I mean don't see what powerup to even have...it would be hard for oda to think of one especially for sanji.
 
#63
This is purely opinion based but I think Sanjis decision to go to WCI made me second guess his will power. He was broken to easily he left the crew in a time of need.

Jinbei literally went to Big Mom at the worst possible time and told her he was leaving to join the SH who were raiding her island in her face. With his entire country on the line. He had more at stake than Sanji yet had more faith in Luffy than Sanji did. His will wasn’t broken at any point.
Sanji's decision only highlighted his will power

He didn't give up and chose an easy option, he did the exact opposite

Instead of choosing the easy way and rely on luffy he decided that he was not worth the risk, he had faith in luffy

He went to confront his childhood traumas and give up on his freedom for luffy and zeff to be safe

He faked being a crual person and pretty much insulted zeff and his mother by calling himself a vinsmoke

He then had to beat up luffy, the same person he was willing to die for

During wci he was never scared of big mom, the moment he saved reiju pretty much sums up why you're wrong

He told luffy to not go save her and did it himself because he wants to be the only person at risk while others are safe


Also, jinbei had a whole plan, 2 pirates of the worst generation and an entire army by his side

What did sanji have? He thought it was only him, luffy and nami vs big mom's crew, the only smart option was to sacrifice himself and not endanger the rest

If anything jimbei left at the best possible moment, you know, right before big mom's assassination plan
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Nah...there won't be any more powerups... I think the SHs will just become strong with just the current strength... I mean don't see what powerup to even have...it would be hard for oda to think of one especially for sanji.
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Sanji's flammes are still a mystery along with his mother and ancestor's past

He's definitely getting a power up from there

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This is purely opinion based but I think Sanjis decision to go to WCI made me second guess his will power. He was broken to easily he left the crew in a time of need.

Jinbei literally went to Big Mom at the worst possible time and told her he was leaving to join the SH who were raiding her island in her face. With his entire country on the line. He had more at stake than Sanji yet had more faith in Luffy than Sanji did. His will wasn’t broken at any point.
:goatasure: I'm really confused about your comment

Sanji didn't abandon the crew at a time of need, he left to save the crew and chose the worst possible option for himself and he wasn't broken the slightest

Even zoro agreed with his decision to leave the crew to not endanger the alliance

Is zoro weak willed?
 
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#65
what makes you think sanji would surpass yamato as she as more potential than him
Plot

It's not complicated, you can also make a case for big mom being the strongest character in the series due to her ability to sacrifice her life span to get stronger and abord the life span of others but we all know where she stands

Sanji is one of the most focused on character that was stated to be one of the two wings of the pirate king

Narrative is more relevant than headcanon

And sanji has a few ways to get as strong as the plot requires his character to be, aka stronger than Yamato
 
#67
Plot

It's not complicated, you can also make a case for big mom being the strongest character in the series due to her ability to sacrifice her life span to get stronger and abord the life span of others but we all know where she stands

Sanji is one of the most focused on character that was stated to be one of the two wings of the pirate king

Narrative is more relevant than headcanon

And sanji has a few ways to get as strong as the plot requires his character to be, aka stronger than Yamato
if yamato joins, she might have more focus than sanji
 
#72
They'll be with Chopper as his pets. One is a fish, the other a fox.
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if yamato joins, she might have more focus than sanji
This will never happen, no new nakama got more focus than the East Blue members. She'd be lucky to compete with Usopp if she joins which is far from being sure
 
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#74
People need to accept that the power structure of the SH crew will be Luffy, then Zoro/Sanji, and then everyone else. This will not change. Jinbe joined the crew and it did not change anything. If Yamato joins, this dynamic of the crew will not change. Marco called Sanji and Zoro the stars of the crew. Robin classified them as Luffy's wings.
 
#75
People need to accept that the power structure of the SH crew will be Luffy, then Zoro/Sanji, and then everyone else. This will not change. Jinbe joined the crew and it did not change anything. If Yamato joins, this dynamic of the crew will not change. Marco called Sanji and Zoro the stars of the crew. Robin classified them as Luffy's wings.
but yamato has advcoc something that sanji might never have
 
#78
People need to accept that the power structure of the SH crew will be Luffy, then Zoro/Sanji, and then everyone else. This will not change. Jinbe joined the crew and it did not change anything. If Yamato joins, this dynamic of the crew will not change. Marco called Sanji and Zoro the stars of the crew. Robin classified them as Luffy's wings.
--Yamato > Current sanji is a fact ; sanji in future can surpass yamato no doubt that is a diff thing

--Still yamato is obvi the oden of straw hat pirates so she may have a unique position in the crew ; pre skip one piece has no power structure but post skip has with haki and so on
 
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