Character Discussion If Zoro fans weren’t toxic would he get any hate?

[Monkey D Al]

When will you acknowledge that Sanji fans do the same as well?

Zoro fans find you guys as annoying as you find Zoro fans.

I’m a Luffy Fan first and a Sanji fan. Go find one comment of me shitting on zoro. And me saying that ZKK will not happen or Zoro will not fight kizaru on egghead is not me shitting on him. Just me being logical. And of course there are Sanji fans that shit in Zoro and I find it just as annoying.

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first off all just by this you are being toxic , it might be cuz you haven’t been around since the beginning but still that’s toxic.

to answer your question still gonna be hated the same because that’s how all this started in the first place wasn’t zero fans spreading hate they where just praising zoro they wanted more feats where there portrayal was there and still is and as luffy gonna be on if the strongest eos zoro will be also that’s set from the beginning.

that’s where the problem started sanji fans they wanted the same no wrong with that but when zoro had better portrayal they will not pick everything and drag him down that’s where zVs started and luffy fans joint to push zoro down to not be anywhere near luffy power wise they wanted to be clear , so you tell me who is the toxic here ??

this topic is bit different from yonko fans putting down admiral fans although portrayals wise there in the same power level.

I didn’t know that Sanji fans started it. I’ve been here for a few years but ever since I’ve been here the zoro fans(not all of them) couldn’t be reasoned with. For me it was always clear that Zoro>Sanji it’s just the difference I don’t believe to be as big as Zoro fans claim it is. I do honestly believe that lufffy right now is quite a bit stronger but only for the reason that Luffy is close to his EOS strength and zoro will need one or two more fights like against king, where he gets pushed a lot to unlock his full potential. EOS Luffy will be stronger and potentially be at a level that not even Roger, Garp, WB, xebexs have reached and Zoro will be at that level. Which is a level that I put slightly above Yonkou/Admiral.

 

[Cross_Marian]

Nah there’s some levels to this and Zoro fans are on top of the toxicity. Just look at one piece Twitter.

You have to be on some massive copium to not realize that Zoro gets a lot of hate because of his fans. I don’t get why people feel the need to defend their “group” if my faves fandom were a bunch of retards I wouldn’t defend their ass

I’m not erasing the toxicity of my fandom
I even disagree sometimes with their stupid and embarrassing statements but don’t act like the Zoro fandom is the pinnacle of toxicity
The OP fandom is mostly a bunch of toxic and power lvl obsessed freaks
Maybe the Zoro fandom is so toxic because it gets attacked by 3 different fandoms at once or the different fandoms wouldn’t attack the Zoro fandom if they wouldn’t pick a fight with everyone
So it’s two sided, fire creates more fire and you don’t know who started this shit because everyone is acting the same

 

[Cozy Sofa]

Post automatically merged: Sep 22, 2023

Yes because fans of Sanji, Law, Kid, etc. would still hate how Zoro has better feats than their faves

This is it in my opinion. It's not so much what Zoro fans say, it's more about how the other fandoms view Zoros power level. When the Zoro fans - or even neutrals sometimes - say something that doesn't align with some fandoms view they find Zoro fans obnoxious. I don't know too much about say Law or Kids fanbases but it's 100 % true for the Sanji fanbase.

In their view Luffy is way out of reach but Zoro and Sanji should be neck and neck with Zoro just edging it out. And to be fair to them with the Dino Hunting competition in Little Garden, Mr 1/Mr 2 skirmish, Partnership in Long Ring Island, Kaku/Jabras douriki, King/Queens bounties + Wings statement there is certainly reason to think they are close.

But then you have so many other instances were Zoro is believed to be the captain, gets to fight/interact with Luffys opponent and is put in a duo with Luffy that it's clear as day Luffy > Zoro > Sanji by some margin. Some would like it to be Luffy ≈> Zoro >> Sanji, others Luffy > Zoro ≈> Sanji but as we have seen for close to 1100 Zoro can't take on Luffys opponents and Sanji can't take Zoros so L>Z>S is the correct formula.

 

[DonWick]

The lack of self awareness is flabbergasting.

I’m very self aware. You’ve yet to explain how calling bullshit makes me toxic.

 

[Rukusho]

Yes he would.

If we have to look at it from a honest perspective, we need to look at the (unfortunate) position Zoro is at and also accept that it takes two to tango.

There are two primary portrayals/dynamics that Zoro has:
- Luffy/Zoro portrayal and dynamics. Zoro is introduced to us as a character who has will power built similar to Luffy. So much so that until Dresrossa arc, it was a common theme for Zoro to be confused as the captain. They often share panels together. Share parallels (old gen parallels, mid gen parallels, legend parallels)
- Zoro/Sanji portrayal and dynamics. They are constantly bickering with each other and competing. Got opponents in two arcs who have some rivalry between then (Kaku/Jyabura, King/Queen). They share panels together

The thing is, where Zoro stands between Luffy and Sanji is made ambiguous by design.
Obviously, logically there should be ways to get by the ambiguity, but Oda doesn't work based on this consistency. He wants Zoro to be someone who can stand along with Luffy when the situation calls for it, and he wants Sanji to be someone who can stand along with Zoro when the situation calls for it.
Blame Oda for this.

Now we come to the agendas.
It should be common knowledge and anyone intellectually honest here would accept that Luffy fans and Sanji fans share the same agenda - Zoro is closer to Sanji than to Luffy.

Then there are two more characters, who like Zoro, also share some portrayal/dynamics with Luffy: Law and Kid. The fans of these characters want their favs to be the ones with 'true' portrayal with Luffy, and want Zoro to be "just an underling".
You can see this argument very often coming from Law and Kid fans, who want to pair up Zoro with Sanji.

Now you see what is going on here. Even if there are no Zoro fans at all, there are four fanbases that would push agenda on Zoro regardless, due to the position Zoro occupies within the series:
- Luffy fans
- Sanji fans
- Law fans
- Kid fans (if they exist lol)


Now you add in the crazies of all fanbases, and we get what we have now. The only reason Zoro fans appear "overly toxic" is because they are fighting against FOUR OTHER fanbases, of which 3 are massive fanbases in the top 5 (Luffy/Sanji/Law).

But if we look objectively, the crazies in Zoro fans are no bigger crazies than those in Luffy or Sanji fanbase (Law fanbase tends to have less crazies relatively).
Just that, Luffy and Sanji crazies don't see each other, because they fight on the same side.

There you go, I gave you an explanation on this scenario as objective as I can here.

This is the answer. Well said!

 

[Julius]

Zoro fans aren't that toxic actually imo

Not more or less toxic than Sanji fans, Luffy fans, Younko fans, Admiral fans and any other fandoms... Although they can be way louder.

Zoro is just that kind of shonen character that is the most easy to draw people's attention (who is not a main character), you don't need that much effort to understand and enjoy Zoro. The consequence is: A big and loudmouth fanbase that sometimes go overboard with their wank and expectations.

 

[matt245]

Yes, jealousy leads to hate no matter what

 

[Rivaille]

I’m very self aware. You’ve yet to explain how calling bullshit makes me toxic.

Trolling is toxic.

 

[DonWick]

Trolling is toxic.

If giving the fans a taste of their own medicine is toxic sure.

 

[garciajulieen]

Just ignore any thread about Zoro or Sanji and you'll have so much fun on this forum

 

[Lor D. Coast]

You need validation from others to slander or dislike a character?

 

[Bakafish]

Lol do you guys remember how people would just watch shows and be like oh that was good

now too many rotted minds have nothing better to do than obsess over characters and have emotional breakdowns over powerscaling.

go fishing or something guys

 

[DonWick]

You need validation from others to slander or dislike a character?

I love Zoro actually. I don’t need any validation. I just wanted others opinions.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

I love Zoro actually. I don’t need any validation. I just wanted others opinions.

''I am a huge Zoro fan but he is veteran level''
Classic !

 

[DonWick]

''I am a huge Zoro fan but he is veteran level''
Classic !

Being a fan of a character isn’t determined by what I think their power level is. But since your curious I think Zoro is YC1+ somewhere below the weakest admiral but above most YC1

 

[Frauhawk]

There are toxic fans on all fandoms but man are those who claim its not zoro fans fault delusional.

ZKK is the prime example of this being their fault, back then questioning ZKK not happening wouldn't end well for you, they were so out of touch of reality that they thought he was the main character, you don't see Sanji fans think like that and Luffy fans are obviously correct he is the main character so if Zoro fans weren't insane then the toxicity would lessen greatly.

They are also behind many agendas, Shanks vs Mihawk? Its just a proxy war for Zoro to be stronger than Shanks. Its also very common for most of Luffy's previous opponents to be downplayed while Zoro's are wanked.

 

[DonWick]

There are toxic fans on all fandoms but man are those who claim its not zoro fans fault delusional.

ZKK is the prime example of this being their fault, back then questioning ZKK not happening wouldn't end well for you, they were so out of touch of reality that they thought he was the main character, you don't see Sanji fans think like that and Luffy fans are obviously correct he is the main character so if Zoro fans weren't insane then the toxicity would lessen greatly.

They are also behind many agendas, Shanks vs Mihawk? It’s just a proxy war for Zoro to be stronger than Shanks. It’s also very common for most of Luffy's previous opponents to be downplayed while Zoro's are wanked.

EOS Zoro > Roger
Rooftop Zoro > Luffy
ZKK
Mihawk vShanks
Luffy trash for not one shotting Lucci the Zoro doesn’t one shot Lucci
Zoro has better CoA than Luffy
Zoro has better ACoC than Luffy

 

[IsaziSempi]

Post timeskip has destroyed his character and thst has nothing to do with his fans.

 

[RoronoaZorro]

Being a fan of a character isn’t determined by what I think their power level is.

Can confirm. I'm a Sanji fan who knows a lot of great things about his character writing that most people don't, but still well-aware of his actual powerlevel and not wank his strength beyond what it is.

But since your curious I think Zoro is YC1+ somewhere below the weakest admiral but above most YC1

Or be like me, separate Emperor level into several tiers, just like how we split Commander level into 3/4 categories.

For me, the likes of Zoro Yamato Law Kidd are now currently low Emperor.
GB/BM for example is mid Emperor.
And so on.

 

[Manos. AsuraZoro]

There is toxicity in every fan base and the truth is that nowadays people write their manga in order to create those heated arguments with no end, because it works perfectly and they gain more lol.
It's not "that fan base is toxic" it's just argument after argument has created internet "Vendetta's".
The thing i don't understand and i completely disagree is that zoro is a character with no depth and all that shit but i believe that is also part of the hate that this character gets.