General & Others If Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe will face the calamities, the rest of the mugiwaras will face the flying six
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I honestly can barely see it Happening. The Monster trio was Always wayyy above the rest. Even if Zoro and Sanji fight calamity's, that doesn't mean that the rest can take on the next strongest.
If we look at EL for example:
Kumadori: 810 Doriki
Fukurou: 800 Doriki
Chopper needed his Monster Point to beat Kumadori and that was a technique he could not controll. And Franky had a hard time with Fukurou.
Zoro and Sanji beat guys who had 2200/2180 Doriki - already almost 3 times as much and this does NOT include their Zoan DF which would boost their Doriki even more. 3000+ atleast. And then you have to take into account that after Zoro and Sanji used Ashura and DJ they completely destroyed them. So they could take out guys with a much higher doriki than that - probably someone with a 4000+ Doriki. Franky and Chopper are not even close to that.
Chopper and Brook had already a fight with Peros and got sh*t on. Peros wasn't even trying. Even Pedro was overwhelmed easily and he is one of the strongest minks and has almost 400mil. bounty. Oven also had the upper hand against Pedro in their one clash. Does someone think brook, Chopper or franky could 1 vs 1 Oven or Daifuku? Oven already caught Chopper before and he couldn't do sh*t against that lol.
Or does someone thing they could have somehow stopped that?
They are pissing themselves just seeing it.
If the Flying Six are all, especially, Zoan types and physical fighters, i don't see them Winning it 1 vs 1 - unless they get some huuuuuge PU's. And they can't win with tricks alone - there is only an Limited amount of Credibility until it gets implausible and ridiculous.
They can fight them 2 vs 1 with PU's - i can buy that, but not 1 vs 1. Non of them knows even Haki.
The only one i could see is Ussope, because he got atleast CoO now and is on the right way to get really strong - he could MAYBE get a 1 vs 1 against a F6, but against the ''weakest/weaker one''.
Ofc Oda can make that happen, but how believable is that?
If we look at EL for example:
Kumadori: 810 Doriki
Fukurou: 800 Doriki
Chopper needed his Monster Point to beat Kumadori and that was a technique he could not controll. And Franky had a hard time with Fukurou.
Zoro and Sanji beat guys who had 2200/2180 Doriki - already almost 3 times as much and this does NOT include their Zoan DF which would boost their Doriki even more. 3000+ atleast. And then you have to take into account that after Zoro and Sanji used Ashura and DJ they completely destroyed them. So they could take out guys with a much higher doriki than that - probably someone with a 4000+ Doriki. Franky and Chopper are not even close to that.
Chopper and Brook had already a fight with Peros and got sh*t on. Peros wasn't even trying. Even Pedro was overwhelmed easily and he is one of the strongest minks and has almost 400mil. bounty. Oven also had the upper hand against Pedro in their one clash. Does someone think brook, Chopper or franky could 1 vs 1 Oven or Daifuku? Oven already caught Chopper before and he couldn't do sh*t against that lol.
Or does someone thing they could have somehow stopped that?
If the Flying Six are all, especially, Zoan types and physical fighters, i don't see them Winning it 1 vs 1 - unless they get some huuuuuge PU's. And they can't win with tricks alone - there is only an Limited amount of Credibility until it gets implausible and ridiculous.
They can fight them 2 vs 1 with PU's - i can buy that, but not 1 vs 1. Non of them knows even Haki.
The only one i could see is Ussope, because he got atleast CoO now and is on the right way to get really strong - he could MAYBE get a 1 vs 1 against a F6, but against the ''weakest/weaker one''.
Ofc Oda can make that happen, but how believable is that?
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Chopper and Brook are getting a wee bit unfairly slated here.
It wasn't as quite simple as Perospero trashing the two of them. They were actually fighting while well outnumbered on the Sunny, had taken visible damage and then got beaten by Perospero.
They then performed pretty well- considering the strength difference- against an opponent well above Perospero, Big Mom. They'll have grown through the fights they had there, same as the other three will have grown through Dressrosa, and there's been a fair amount of time for all of them for preparations to get stronger.
The Flying Six are all likely to be Zoans, given Kaido's dream, so there isn't going to be any difficult to deal with powers like Perospero has. They also don't need to be, and given past enemies won't be, as strong as each other. There will be a hierarchy in among the Flying Six, just as there is in the Calamities, and was in near enough every enemy they've faced in the past. Strongest ones for Franky, Brook and Robin, weakest for the other three. Though as I've said, Drake throws this out, because Oda has not built him up joining Kaido since before the TS only to end with him being beaten by Franky.
I'm far more interested in seeing the Strawhats overcome their foes with the others playing backup to them, instead with of everyone (bar Luffy and ZSJ) essentially playing the Robin in Dressrosa role. Even tag teams among the Strawhats would be quite interesting. I essentially very strongly feel that this arc it should be all the Strawhats who are the main stars in the fights, not people like Sicilian or Kid's crew.
It wasn't as quite simple as Perospero trashing the two of them. They were actually fighting while well outnumbered on the Sunny, had taken visible damage and then got beaten by Perospero.
They then performed pretty well- considering the strength difference- against an opponent well above Perospero, Big Mom. They'll have grown through the fights they had there, same as the other three will have grown through Dressrosa, and there's been a fair amount of time for all of them for preparations to get stronger.
The Flying Six are all likely to be Zoans, given Kaido's dream, so there isn't going to be any difficult to deal with powers like Perospero has. They also don't need to be, and given past enemies won't be, as strong as each other. There will be a hierarchy in among the Flying Six, just as there is in the Calamities, and was in near enough every enemy they've faced in the past. Strongest ones for Franky, Brook and Robin, weakest for the other three. Though as I've said, Drake throws this out, because Oda has not built him up joining Kaido since before the TS only to end with him being beaten by Franky.
I'm far more interested in seeing the Strawhats overcome their foes with the others playing backup to them, instead with of everyone (bar Luffy and ZSJ) essentially playing the Robin in Dressrosa role. Even tag teams among the Strawhats would be quite interesting. I essentially very strongly feel that this arc it should be all the Strawhats who are the main stars in the fights, not people like Sicilian or Kid's crew.
Pre-skip Monster Point was such a gargantuan boost to him, but at such a cost, that in power levelling terms he was basically two seperate characters. It was closer to the Gears in that sense than any of the other four power ups the Strawhats got.
Post skip since it's been used so very often and has became part of his regular repertoire, it doesn't seem to be as strong (all the other EL power ups have suffered this bar Asura). So it would seem that Franky, Robin and Brook have surpassed it, and Nami and Ussop now have attacks that can match and better it, while them selves obviously not being nearly as physical as Chopper.
Basically, time for Chopper to show some new shit.
Post skip since it's been used so very often and has became part of his regular repertoire, it doesn't seem to be as strong (all the other EL power ups have suffered this bar Asura). So it would seem that Franky, Robin and Brook have surpassed it, and Nami and Ussop now have attacks that can match and better it, while them selves obviously not being nearly as physical as Chopper.
Basically, time for Chopper to show some new shit.
If Wano isn't gonna be when the straw hats show of new powerful abilities then will they. This has to be the arc that they prove they're ready for the final battles, they need to be able to use haki from here on or it's really just stupid to believe that they could be the crew of the future pirate king. Every straw hat needs to be able to take down a Blackbeard commander by the end of Laugh Tale and we don't have much more time for growth after Wano, it will probably just be Elbaf.
I think they will all take out at least 1 named officer with Luffy, Sanji, Zoro and Jinbe taking out at least 2 each. This is a war so the Calamities aren't just going to show up straight away. I see this arc playing out more like Enies Lobby than I do Marineford. With the top tiers waiting in the mansion while the Flying 6, Numbers and Big Moms weaker kids go to war outside.
I think all the straw hats should get at least 1 fight outside and 1 fight inside the mansion.
some like Sanji i want to have 3 against Queen, Page One and Daifuku
with potentially 10 Numbers, 6 Tobi Roppo, 11 Oniwabanshu, at least 5 Mimawarigumi and at least 14 of Big Moms brats there's 46 underlings to go around not including Jack, King, Queen, Smoothie, Kanjuro and a potential "Ace".
Every single named character can probably have a one on one in this arc i'm sure.
I think they will all take out at least 1 named officer with Luffy, Sanji, Zoro and Jinbe taking out at least 2 each. This is a war so the Calamities aren't just going to show up straight away. I see this arc playing out more like Enies Lobby than I do Marineford. With the top tiers waiting in the mansion while the Flying 6, Numbers and Big Moms weaker kids go to war outside.
I think all the straw hats should get at least 1 fight outside and 1 fight inside the mansion.
some like Sanji i want to have 3 against Queen, Page One and Daifuku
with potentially 10 Numbers, 6 Tobi Roppo, 11 Oniwabanshu, at least 5 Mimawarigumi and at least 14 of Big Moms brats there's 46 underlings to go around not including Jack, King, Queen, Smoothie, Kanjuro and a potential "Ace".
Every single named character can probably have a one on one in this arc i'm sure.
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There is no doubt the BB battles will be 1 v 1, it's all been set up this way perfectly, BB has 10 commanders, Luffy wants 10 people (only 1 more to go probably Carrot)
Wano is the place for the crew to evolve to the next level just as they did during Enies Lobby, they have too, it's now or never basically
Wano is the place for the crew to evolve to the next level just as they did during Enies Lobby, they have too, it's now or never basically