Character Discussion I'll say it: Did Oda ruin Sanji ?
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So basically sanji learned nothing during timeskip but to run faster away from okamas for 2 years.
All of a sudden, he meets his daddy and he gets these gene power-ups.
Kuma really should have sent him to germa instead.....
The fact that he hasn't become stronger due to TS but because of daddy is very disgusting in terms of character development.
All of a sudden, he meets his daddy and he gets these gene power-ups.
Kuma really should have sent him to germa instead.....
The fact that he hasn't become stronger due to TS but because of daddy is very disgusting in terms of character development.
People barely understand the Power progression in One Piece.
Zoro got Enma, fought in the rooftop, then took an ultra Elixir to fight King.
Sanji before the exoeskeleton pops up still got impressive feats, specially in WCI and Onigashima, now he is fighting Queen and started Awakening his birthright powers.
Oda is building something special here for Sanji just like Diable Jambe is for example, because Sanji is special among his family, you should not get ahead of yourselves with such dumb takes about development when you dont even tried to understand Sanji's relationship with his family, the things he trully praises the most and everything else its showed in WCI.
Atleast wait until the fight end, then you can take much more solid conclusions
Zoro got Enma, fought in the rooftop, then took an ultra Elixir to fight King.
Sanji before the exoeskeleton pops up still got impressive feats, specially in WCI and Onigashima, now he is fighting Queen and started Awakening his birthright powers.
Oda is building something special here for Sanji just like Diable Jambe is for example, because Sanji is special among his family, you should not get ahead of yourselves with such dumb takes about development when you dont even tried to understand Sanji's relationship with his family, the things he trully praises the most and everything else its showed in WCI.
Atleast wait until the fight end, then you can take much more solid conclusions
I don’t think so. His character was never about training or striving to get stronger, as long as he has the emotions and is a compassionate character who saves others, the new powers don't affect him much as a character. To be honest I think his PU was the best built and the most natural in my opinion among the M3 members. The only problem I see in this is that the germa powers end up undervaluing his training on the Okama Island.
This is bullshit, if that makes sense for you, Zoro didn't learned anything at all aside from CoO and CoA, similar to Sanji, cuz everything they showed so far is basically haki proficiency and more Attack Power.
By that logic, the only really relevant post-timeskip training is Luffy's, since he is the only one pushed to his limits against stronger Commander Level opponents, even bringing flashbacks with Rayleigh
If only, Sanji, if only.
When did Sanji used the suit because he felt he was lacking power?
This literally never happened. Everything Sanji did with the suit wasn't aiming at strength growth, but often usefulness at specific situations, and it worked exactly as he pretended to. Saving Momonosuke when no one else could, for now, is the best example
By that logic, the only really relevant post-timeskip training is Luffy's, since he is the only one pushed to his limits against stronger Commander Level opponents, even bringing flashbacks with Rayleigh
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If only, Sanji, if only.
This literally never happened. Everything Sanji did with the suit wasn't aiming at strength growth, but often usefulness at specific situations, and it worked exactly as he pretended to. Saving Momonosuke when no one else could, for now, is the best example
Atleast DJ makes sense now. That bit didn't make sense to me for years, straight asspull until WCI.
As for your question, Oda already ruined Sanji's character on WCI. Now the least he can do is abuse his genetics to keep him relevant as one of the future PK's top fighters. Last chapter did nothing that WCI already didn't do, in fact it would be an utter waste to make Sanji go through all of that nonsense on WCI and not reap any of the benefits.
This was a power level move by Oda, this is for all those people who say Oda doesn't care for power levels, another example proving he clearly does. He needed a believable reason for Sanji keeping up with the top hitters of the New World, why would a fruitless cook who spends most his time cooking be naturally keeping up with Zoro who only has 1 purpose. As bad as people think this is, I certainly like it more than Sanji's haki and AP being in the realm of other non DF monsters. That takes away from the likes of Zoro, Mihawk, Shanks and especially Garp, for a cook who isn't even the second strongest in his own crew to achieve those things at such a rapid pace, diminishes their accomplishments. Oda could have easily just had him magically keep up with the heavy hitters naturally but he's clearly trying to gatekeep that level without a devil fruit (and it makes sense, you might as well throw a df in the trashbin if the likes of Sanji can achieve such feats at such an early age), from a thematic pov this might look like the wrong choice, Oda chose logical Power levels > story/narrative in this case.
As for your question, Oda already ruined Sanji's character on WCI. Now the least he can do is abuse his genetics to keep him relevant as one of the future PK's top fighters. Last chapter did nothing that WCI already didn't do, in fact it would be an utter waste to make Sanji go through all of that nonsense on WCI and not reap any of the benefits.
This was a power level move by Oda, this is for all those people who say Oda doesn't care for power levels, another example proving he clearly does. He needed a believable reason for Sanji keeping up with the top hitters of the New World, why would a fruitless cook who spends most his time cooking be naturally keeping up with Zoro who only has 1 purpose. As bad as people think this is, I certainly like it more than Sanji's haki and AP being in the realm of other non DF monsters. That takes away from the likes of Zoro, Mihawk, Shanks and especially Garp, for a cook who isn't even the second strongest in his own crew to achieve those things at such a rapid pace, diminishes their accomplishments. Oda could have easily just had him magically keep up with the heavy hitters naturally but he's clearly trying to gatekeep that level without a devil fruit (and it makes sense, you might as well throw a df in the trashbin if the likes of Sanji can achieve such feats at such an early age), from a thematic pov this might look like the wrong choice, Oda chose logical Power levels > story/narrative in this case.
DJ has nothing to do with emotions (in the general sense). That's 100 times lamer than dna modification. He's not the only emotional being in the world of One Piece, so why is it that he's the only one able to manifest flames? What's even the point of the devil fruits, if anyone can just get "emotional" and start creating elements out of their ass.
Man the navy is fucking up, not training their soldiers to make their emotions spit ice and fire out of their asses.
If anything you can argue it stems from his emotions thanks to him being modified in the first place. That's about it.
Man the navy is fucking up, not training their soldiers to make their emotions spit ice and fire out of their asses.
If anything you can argue it stems from his emotions thanks to him being modified in the first place. That's about it.
Are you really trying to make that much sense in OP?
What can i do if the manga itself made clear several times that Sanji's abilities work his emotions, and still didn't correlated that to Germa? Unless you think "Stealth Black" should 100% have fire powers. Im sticking with what we have in the manga until now, you're coming up with headcanons.
What can i do if the manga itself made clear several times that Sanji's abilities work his emotions, and still didn't correlated that to Germa? Unless you think "Stealth Black" should 100% have fire powers. Im sticking with what we have in the manga until now, you're coming up with headcanons.
Are you really trying to make that much sense in OP?
What can i do if the manga itself made clear several times that Sanji's abilities work his emotions, and still didn't correlated that to Germa? Unless you think "Stealth Black" should 100% have fire powers. Im sticking with what we have in the manga until now, you're coming up with headcanons.
What can i do if the manga itself made clear several times that Sanji's abilities work his emotions, and still didn't correlated that to Germa? Unless you think "Stealth Black" should 100% have fire powers. Im sticking with what we have in the manga until now, you're coming up with headcanons.
-It's never been confirmed or even hinted that emotions = elemental powers in One Piece. (Sanji shouting anti germa rhetoric to cope isn't confirmation, heck he actually got called an idiot recently because of it)
-It has been confirmed Sanji's genes were modified.
So Ichiji can use light abilities, and Niji can use electricity without the use of devil fruits because of their emotions (that they apparently don't have lmfao)? Or is Niji a mink maybe?
Where are all these other natural human element users in the One Piece world, what a coincidence only Sanji and his family is capable of it. "It must not be from the genetic modifications done to them" If it isn't then Oda truly is braindead, and I'm giving him way too much credit.
You're still wrong, there is literally nothing pointing out that Devil Leg exists because of DNA modifications, much less on Sanji, who should have the ability to become invisible, not generate fire at will, much less boost it through anger.
Zoro's Asura should be a genetical modification too, right?
Zoro's Asura should be a genetical modification too, right?
The main problem is Oda's writing.
Sanji‘s new ability is not stupid but the way leading to it is the problem.
We got a whole arc dedicated to Sanji and his family. Sanji was different than his siblings and Judge. Sanji‘s fighting style was influenced by Zeff and his passion for cooking. Sanji found his own way and rejected the Vinsmokes but now he’s becoming exactly the opposite. It feels like the whole character development was for nothing.
Oda's writing is weird af
Another example:
I love Kid and I’m glad that he’s fighting against Big Mom but the lead up wasn’t well written. Kid talked the whole arc about Kaido and wanted revenge. And now?
Sanji‘s new ability is not stupid but the way leading to it is the problem.
We got a whole arc dedicated to Sanji and his family. Sanji was different than his siblings and Judge. Sanji‘s fighting style was influenced by Zeff and his passion for cooking. Sanji found his own way and rejected the Vinsmokes but now he’s becoming exactly the opposite. It feels like the whole character development was for nothing.
Oda's writing is weird af
Another example:
I love Kid and I’m glad that he’s fighting against Big Mom but the lead up wasn’t well written. Kid talked the whole arc about Kaido and wanted revenge. And now?
Sure there is nothing (except everything) pointing at it.
Until someone else is able to create a natural element out of thin air, I'm gonna go ahead and guess the one guy and his siblings who can do it, who happen to be genetically modified, can maybe just maybe do it thanks to their genes.
What you're not getting is that having two abilities (invisibility) doesn't erase the odds, they're still saying Sanji is a modified being able to create an element out of thin air.
No idea. The jury is still out on Asura. If it's CoC related, then it's a latent ability only a few are born with and Zoro manifests it in his unique way.
Until someone else is able to create a natural element out of thin air, I'm gonna go ahead and guess the one guy and his siblings who can do it, who happen to be genetically modified, can maybe just maybe do it thanks to their genes.
What you're not getting is that having two abilities (invisibility) doesn't erase the odds, they're still saying Sanji is a modified being able to create an element out of thin air.
No idea. The jury is still out on Asura. If it's CoC related, then it's a latent ability only a few are born with and Zoro manifests it in his unique way.