Character Discussion Is Conquerors Haki Mandatory for Mihawks Character?
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No it’s not mandatory in general
No conqueror should
All that being said buggy, crocodile, and mihawk while having some traits that you’d associate with having conquerors they also have things holding them back
No conqueror should
+ Be okay hiding under buggy’s shadow to do nothing
+ Be okay being equals with someone like crocodile
+ Given up on their original dream being to scared to to go after it again
All that being said buggy, crocodile, and mihawk while having some traits that you’d associate with having conquerors they also have things holding them back
- I wouldn’t mind if Buggy got conquerors at all despite being fodder. Say what you want about him but he’s charismatic and ambitious enough to the point he became an emperor. Once he gets mihawk and crocodile (and Moria) fully on board even better. If buggy is willing to shit on them and their pathetic goals he deserves it
- Crocodile and mihawk are just shells of their former selves. Once they start being unapologetically themselves and fighting full heartedly for what they believe and want then maybe they should unlock/reunlock conquerors. Kinda like a katakuri situation where he only used it when he himself took his scarf off
- Tho if one has it the other should also have it. They’re probably going to stay as equals in their dynamic so only 1 having it kinda breaks it. Plus it’s weird for a conqueror to consider themselves equal to a non conqueror
Maybe either way I wouldn’t fully mind if he gets it
Buggy getting it also opens up the door for usopp
Just say I hate Mihawk. We will understsnd you.
I have no problem saying mihawk as he is now is an unambitious loser that like crocodile is a shell of his former self
What makes him worse despite all of cross guild being in the same boat up until recently is he isn’t as funny and entertaining as buggy or as cunning or on business as crocodile
All mihawk does is contradict himself
Buggy getting it also opens up the door for usopp
Just say I hate Mihawk. We will understsnd you.
What makes him worse despite all of cross guild being in the same boat up until recently is he isn’t as funny and entertaining as buggy or as cunning or on business as crocodile
All mihawk does is contradict himself
Maybe either way I wouldn’t fully mind if he gets it
Buggy getting it also opens up the door for usopp
I have no problem saying mihawk as he is now is an unambitious loser that like crocodile is a shell of his former self
What makes him worse despite all of cross guild being in the same boat up until recently is he isn’t as funny and entertaining as buggy or as cunning or on business as crocodile
All mihawk does is contradict himself
Buggy getting it also opens up the door for usopp
I have no problem saying mihawk as he is now is an unambitious loser that like crocodile is a shell of his former self
What makes him worse despite all of cross guild being in the same boat up until recently is he isn’t as funny and entertaining as buggy or as cunning or on business as crocodile
All mihawk does is contradict himself
He gave up and doesn't mind being equal to Crocodile in status
Something no legit tol tier will accept. Especially conquerors
Buggy charismatic behaviours reeks of conquerors
He either has CoC or he's a secret D.
Just in general if we go with the notation that buggy and crocodile are not conquerors material
Any emperor or admiral okay with being equal partners with crocodile is an L
Any emperor or admiral okay with hiding under the shadow of someone they don’t respect just to do nothing is an L
Any emperor or admiral okay with being equal partners with crocodile is an L
- Kaido partnered up with Doflamingo but there was a clear hierarchy where it was clear to both kaido was truly in charge
- Even in luffy and laws alliance it was clear the alliance wasn’t equal from the jump lol. Luffy respects law but at the end of the day he’s gonna do what he wants whether law likes it or not. Man wouldn’t even let him end the alliance lol. Law had to adjust to Luffy and his behavior to his advantage. While Luffy does whatever he wants
Any emperor or admiral okay with hiding under the shadow of someone they don’t respect just to do nothing is an L
- Blackbeard hid under whitebeard’s name while secretly using it to his advantage and go for his own ambitions under the radar. Hiding in hopes of doing more
- The Blackbeard and rocks pirates also worked under their captains not out of respect or subservience but because similar goals. All of them still having their own pride as an individual
Yes, he does need it and I believe he has it. However that doesn't mean he will utilize it to it's fullest.
I think the reason people might question it is Mihawk doesn't seem to embrace his CoC. His personality and his innate CoC-ability don't gel, and that is perhaps the reason he is one of the strongest in the world instead of the undisputed strongest in the world now that he is in his prime and the main rivals are gone (Shanks lacks an arm, WB dead, BM/Kaido presumed dead). I see mainly 3 different types of conquerors in the series (doesn't fit perfectly but you get the main jist of it). Belonging to one group of conquerors don't mean all are as successful in their respective field (looking at you Kidd), it's just their different styles. Some could be swapped (Sengoku for example).
Conqueror of Conquerors
Luffy, BB, Roger, Joy Boy, Kidd, Imu, Rocks - They want to conquer the world including other conquerors in order to shape the world according to their beliefs. They lead other conquerors.
Conquerors of Areas/Domains/Fields
Shanks, WB, Sengoku, Hancock, Mihawk, Zoro, Oden, Ace, Katakuri, Rayleigh, Gorosei, Garp - They seem content to conquer a part of the world, or a certain field, and then live in peace. They rarely lead other conquerors.
Conquerors that Scheme
Kaido, BM, Doflamingo, Chinjao - They conquered a base but couldn't conquer other conquerors, instead using list and scheming in order to take down their rivals. They don't want other conquerors below them believing one leader is enough.
For all we know at the moment Mihawk seems to be a lesser version of Shanks & WB (CoC-wise). He has conquered his field of the world and now wants to live in peace. Due to his lone wolf personality he can't even (or doensn't care for) attract a family/nakama like Shanks or WB. That's different than the highest level of Luffy, BB, Joy Boy, Roger, Kidd, Imu, Rocks.
Using other wording Mihawk said so himself during Baratie, the PK conquers it all not only a field. And Chinjao said the same, pointing out BB has what it takes to conquer even other conquerors. Contrast that with BM feeling threatened by her one conqueror Katakuri, Kaido saying he doesn't want conquerors or WB saying he doesn't feel Oden will be satisfied playing second fiddle. Not until he was ready to hand over the reign did he actually take on another conqueror in Ace.
I think the reason people might question it is Mihawk doesn't seem to embrace his CoC. His personality and his innate CoC-ability don't gel, and that is perhaps the reason he is one of the strongest in the world instead of the undisputed strongest in the world now that he is in his prime and the main rivals are gone (Shanks lacks an arm, WB dead, BM/Kaido presumed dead). I see mainly 3 different types of conquerors in the series (doesn't fit perfectly but you get the main jist of it). Belonging to one group of conquerors don't mean all are as successful in their respective field (looking at you Kidd), it's just their different styles. Some could be swapped (Sengoku for example).
Conqueror of Conquerors
Luffy, BB, Roger, Joy Boy, Kidd, Imu, Rocks - They want to conquer the world including other conquerors in order to shape the world according to their beliefs. They lead other conquerors.
Conquerors of Areas/Domains/Fields
Shanks, WB, Sengoku, Hancock, Mihawk, Zoro, Oden, Ace, Katakuri, Rayleigh, Gorosei, Garp - They seem content to conquer a part of the world, or a certain field, and then live in peace. They rarely lead other conquerors.
Conquerors that Scheme
Kaido, BM, Doflamingo, Chinjao - They conquered a base but couldn't conquer other conquerors, instead using list and scheming in order to take down their rivals. They don't want other conquerors below them believing one leader is enough.
For all we know at the moment Mihawk seems to be a lesser version of Shanks & WB (CoC-wise). He has conquered his field of the world and now wants to live in peace. Due to his lone wolf personality he can't even (or doensn't care for) attract a family/nakama like Shanks or WB. That's different than the highest level of Luffy, BB, Joy Boy, Roger, Kidd, Imu, Rocks.
Using other wording Mihawk said so himself during Baratie, the PK conquers it all not only a field. And Chinjao said the same, pointing out BB has what it takes to conquer even other conquerors. Contrast that with BM feeling threatened by her one conqueror Katakuri, Kaido saying he doesn't want conquerors or WB saying he doesn't feel Oden will be satisfied playing second fiddle. Not until he was ready to hand over the reign did he actually take on another conqueror in Ace.
Exactly
He didn't hide behind WG and isn't hiding behind CG to accomplish his new ambitions /goals unlike Crocodile who is using Buggy to continue his latest goals
Like you said, even Kuzan is using Teach to teach his new goals.
All these conquerors and top tiers are serving under legit top tiers not a fraud like Buggy
They can't ever accept it.
Yes, Kaido was the one leading and Doffy had to comply,
Luffy and Kidd still command Law even though they have an alliance.
While Mihawk legit sat and asked Crocodile about his plans and how they need to adjust. He has no agenda of his own but follow Croco or Buggy plans.
This isn't conqueror's behavior
He didn't hide behind WG and isn't hiding behind CG to accomplish his new ambitions /goals unlike Crocodile who is using Buggy to continue his latest goals
Like you said, even Kuzan is using Teach to teach his new goals.
All these conquerors and top tiers are serving under legit top tiers not a fraud like Buggy
They can't ever accept it.
Yes, Kaido was the one leading and Doffy had to comply,
Luffy and Kidd still command Law even though they have an alliance.
While Mihawk legit sat and asked Crocodile about his plans and how they need to adjust. He has no agenda of his own but follow Croco or Buggy plans.
This isn't conqueror's behavior
+ Be okay hiding under buggy’s shadow to do nothing- Oda elaborated on Mihawks statement of wanting peace, it's to do with being chased by marines/WG, just like how WB ran away from marines and said it's not worth fighting them because more will be sent, Damn? that's not very "Conqueror" like of Prime WB is it? turning down a fight?. Anyone can spin some shitty argument to suit their view point like you're tryna do rn
+ Be okay being equals with someone like crocodile- Why does being a conqueror mean you have to be a retard who can't see the value in people like crocodile, who has the brain and assets to create a military organisation to fend off the WG? Imagine hating the idea of being equals to the smartest man in the world vegapunk because he's not a conqueror or something, completely ignoring his intelliegence, what kind of garbage argument is this
+ Given up on their original dream being to scared to to go after it again- Great, now show me where this is? what you gonna reply with? that databook showing moria doffy and mihawk? when the statements translation is not talking about those 3 in general having a dream to be pirate king?, the same databook that calls Mihawk the strongest man in the world? or are you just making more shit up and making more assumptions
+ Be okay being equals with someone like crocodile- Why does being a conqueror mean you have to be a retard who can't see the value in people like crocodile, who has the brain and assets to create a military organisation to fend off the WG? Imagine hating the idea of being equals to the smartest man in the world vegapunk because he's not a conqueror or something, completely ignoring his intelliegence, what kind of garbage argument is this
+ Given up on their original dream being to scared to to go after it again- Great, now show me where this is? what you gonna reply with? that databook showing moria doffy and mihawk? when the statements translation is not talking about those 3 in general having a dream to be pirate king?, the same databook that calls Mihawk the strongest man in the world? or are you just making more shit up and making more assumptions
