Speculations Is it delusional at this point to think Zoro won’t fight King?
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"Zoro is on another level than King"
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King who sweats with his fat buddy against fucking staller/healer Commander who lacks AP vs dude who put a scar on a fucking Yonko. I think even bias towards characters shouldn't stop you from rational thinking.
King is wasted. Accept this already.
You get that the haki he pulls out via Enma most likely is his conqueror's haki? Like it's most likely a pre stage to what's still in store for him. And stats are getting so ridiculously outscaled by advCoC, it's not even funny
Dude gets pressed by Kamazou and Hawkins Straw monster and blocked by Apo and you are talking about supreme base stats??? Would be against everything that was shown, even if haki wouldn't just straight up shit on physical strength.
Never said that. It's just that if you want to tackle certain abilities or powers in direct clashes, you also need comparable power. See my answer to the next quote..
Yeah, right, cause base Fujitora is as strong as advCoC hybrid Kaido for example or in general the ceiling for close quarter clashes
I mean just look at that, you might learn something:
base Fujitora (who's able to block Zoro one handed) <(<) Elephant gun < Cracker's armour's strength < Kong gun <~ Kong gun with advCoA lvl2 <(<) basic advCoC attacks (in power and damage).
Zoro who got blocked by Fujitora, prolly could benefit pretty greatly from advCoC if you ask me. And it's not like this won't be his future major Power up, like
Yeah right, more like you don't understand that in actual fights, Zoro has to be able to block/match monsters like advCoC Mihawk or advCoC hybrid Kaido on a regular, swing for swing, who go well above the level of base Fujitora. Independent of their inability of tanking certain stuff, they can still dish out top tier AP, that needs to be matched somehow.
Like can you distinguish between actual fights/clashes (Kamazou, x-guy and later on even Mihawk vs Zoro) and feat collections (rooftop), where eberyone was just shooting around named attacks until Daddy Kaido decided he's done with that shit?
Never said that. It's just that if you want to tackle certain abilities or powers in direct clashes, you also need comparable power. See my answer to the next quote..
Yeah, right, cause base Fujitora is as strong as advCoC hybrid Kaido for example or in general the ceiling for close quarter clashes
base Fujitora (who's able to block Zoro one handed) <(<) Elephant gun < Cracker's armour's strength < Kong gun <~ Kong gun with advCoA lvl2 <(<) basic advCoC attacks (in power and damage).
Zoro who got blocked by Fujitora, prolly could benefit pretty greatly from advCoC if you ask me. And it's not like this won't be his future major Power up, like
Yeah right, more like you don't understand that in actual fights, Zoro has to be able to block/match monsters like advCoC Mihawk or advCoC hybrid Kaido on a regular, swing for swing, who go well above the level of base Fujitora. Independent of their inability of tanking certain stuff, they can still dish out top tier AP, that needs to be matched somehow.
Like can you distinguish between actual fights/clashes (Kamazou, x-guy and later on even Mihawk vs Zoro) and feat collections (rooftop), where eberyone was just shooting around named attacks until Daddy Kaido decided he's done with that shit?
2. How did he get pressed by Killer. Killer snuck him then got 1 shotted by injured and Zoro who has been eaten poison. Apoo literally got his weapons cut and destroyed. Luffy got destroyed by Apoo
3. Kaido got blitzed and his attacks deflected. Zoro was on the floor because Kaido teamed up with another Yonkou to unleash almost island size attack which Zoro decided to protect everyone. So it was easy for Kaido to attack Zoro who was already on the floor. Every time before that Zoro didn't get hit by Kaido
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I read it and your wrong. Lol headcanon ass *****
No, I dont get it because I am not jumping to any conclusions based on headcanon.
Stats arent ridiculously outscaled by CoC, you just buy into pointless hype.
CoA and CoC are simply buffs, nothing more.
Yes, supreme base stats which blocked an attack from two Emperors combined, lol. The same stats that were pressed by Kamazou, Hawkins and Apoo but I guess you cant wrap your head around that, huh? Do you forget physical strength shitting on haki?
And hybrid adCoC Kaido is as strong as Hakai that base Zoro blocked? lol
Where was adCoC hybrid Kaido when Asura ripped his chest open?
Learn that shiny things like adCoC dont help you when facing a monster like Zoro.
Could you be more wrong about that list? Hardly.
What is CoC going to do for Zoro that he already cant do?
Is it gonna even affect any of his stats other than slightly increasing his firepower?
And you forget that Zoro already blocked something far stronger than that? You forget that monster like Kaido couldnt block Zoro?
Do you understand that one clean hit from base Fujitora will do more damage to Zoro than 2 Emperors' island buster combined?
Can you understand that Zoro's rooftop feats rule the whole feats game and wont be surpassed?
Stats arent ridiculously outscaled by CoC, you just buy into pointless hype.
CoA and CoC are simply buffs, nothing more.
Yes, supreme base stats which blocked an attack from two Emperors combined, lol. The same stats that were pressed by Kamazou, Hawkins and Apoo but I guess you cant wrap your head around that, huh? Do you forget physical strength shitting on haki?
And hybrid adCoC Kaido is as strong as Hakai that base Zoro blocked? lol
Where was adCoC hybrid Kaido when Asura ripped his chest open?
Learn that shiny things like adCoC dont help you when facing a monster like Zoro.
I mean just look at that, you might learn something:
base Fujitora (who's able to block Zoro one handed) << Elephant gun < Cracker's armour's strength < Kong gun <~ Kong gun with advCoA lvl2 <(<) basic advCoC attacks (in power and damage).
Zoro who got blocked by Fujitora, prolly could benefit pretty greatly from advCoC if you ask me. And it's not like this won't be his future major Power up, like
base Fujitora (who's able to block Zoro one handed) << Elephant gun < Cracker's armour's strength < Kong gun <~ Kong gun with advCoA lvl2 <(<) basic advCoC attacks (in power and damage).
Zoro who got blocked by Fujitora, prolly could benefit pretty greatly from advCoC if you ask me. And it's not like this won't be his future major Power up, like
What is CoC going to do for Zoro that he already cant do?
Is it gonna even affect any of his stats other than slightly increasing his firepower?
And you forget that Zoro already blocked something far stronger than that? You forget that monster like Kaido couldnt block Zoro?
Do you understand that one clean hit from base Fujitora will do more damage to Zoro than 2 Emperors' island buster combined?
Can you understand that Zoro's rooftop feats rule the whole feats game and wont be surpassed?
and moreover if you count than zoro should be stronger than the roof
kaido had therror face when he saw nerf asura: king (who one shotting sanji) could fight one vs one against zoro
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kaido had therror face when he saw nerf asura: king (who one shotting sanji) could fight one vs one against zoro
You're wanking that scar too damn much, it wasn't a 1vs1 and Kaido wasn't even that serious cuz he was focusing on fighting Luffy 1vs1 for the whole rooftop battle and basicly cheering for him, not Zoro. Kaido basicly ate everything they threw at him.
Suddenly Zoro fans forgot his perfomance beneath the rooftop, the best thing he did was sneak attack Apoo who supposedly was defeated, and he isn't.
Then during the Rooftop we only see Kaido talking about Enma, literally everytime Zoro appears doing something Kaido and even Big Mom mentions the sword.
Luffy and Zoro shit their pants towards King and Queen like they couldn't do shit, the only reason Zoro reached the rooftop was due to Marco's help, thats how you measure things.
Not Oda's fault you Zoro fans were shitting on Calamities for no reason because Zoro got a magic sword who boosts his haki.
Suddenly Zoro fans forgot his perfomance beneath the rooftop, the best thing he did was sneak attack Apoo who supposedly was defeated, and he isn't.
Then during the Rooftop we only see Kaido talking about Enma, literally everytime Zoro appears doing something Kaido and even Big Mom mentions the sword.
Luffy and Zoro shit their pants towards King and Queen like they couldn't do shit, the only reason Zoro reached the rooftop was due to Marco's help, thats how you measure things.
Not Oda's fault you Zoro fans were shitting on Calamities for no reason because Zoro got a magic sword who boosts his haki.
You're wanking that scar too damn much, it wasn't a 1vs1 and Kaido wasn't even that serious cuz he was focusing on fighting Luffy 1vs1 for the whole rooftop battle and basicly cheering for him, not Zoro. Kaido basicly ate everything they threw at him.
Suddenly Zoro fans forgot his perfomance beneath the rooftop, the best thing he did was sneak attack Apoo who supposedly was defeated, and he isn't.
Then during the Rooftop we only see Kaido talking about Enma, literally everytime Zoro appears doing something Kaido and even Big Mom mentions the sword.
Luffy and Zoro shit their pants towards King and Queen like they couldn't do shit, the only reason Zoro reached the rooftop was due to Marco's help, thats how you measure things.
Not Oda's fault you Zoro fans were shitting on Calamities for no reason because Zoro got a magic sword who boosts his haki.
Suddenly Zoro fans forgot his perfomance beneath the rooftop, the best thing he did was sneak attack Apoo who supposedly was defeated, and he isn't.
Then during the Rooftop we only see Kaido talking about Enma, literally everytime Zoro appears doing something Kaido and even Big Mom mentions the sword.
Luffy and Zoro shit their pants towards King and Queen like they couldn't do shit, the only reason Zoro reached the rooftop was due to Marco's help, thats how you measure things.
Not Oda's fault you Zoro fans were shitting on Calamities for no reason because Zoro got a magic sword who boosts his haki.
First of all learn something about basic human decency and some manners, kiddo.
1. What do you think is the stuff he pulls out with Enma though? And why do you think he's not sucked dry, like others who tried to wield it? Probably because he has an addtional CoC tank and therefore more haki, while via him being a CoC guy (= King's willpower) he's able to control Enma in the first place. But better not try to make sense out of his abilities, especially if you so vigorously argue for everything that's about him.
2. He did get pressed, even called him strong, just like he called Hawkins strawmonster "strong". Read the manga. I'm just stating what was SEEN and SAID there.
Yeah he beat them with his CoA infused named attacks, where he runs into them, with like the combined strength of three "arms/swords" put into one move. How does this has anything to do with physical strength? Swing for swing they could match him no problem = physical strength on the same level. I'm not arguing attack power. Learn to understand what's said instead of throwing tantrums about what you believe was said.
3. What do you even want to say with that? It refers to what???
One whole post and neither was anything substantial said or understood from what I said within mine. Props for being next level bad at this game
Oh man, how often do I need to tell you this?`How can CoC haki flow be empty hype? How in any world is that a possbility? And the scale is there. I guess base Luffy can just tango with advCoC hybrid Kaido? smh And I guess Roger can send Oden flying at high speed through half an island with just pure physical strength aswell, huh? Same Oden that had no problem matching Primebeard's physical strength...
I like how Zorofans don't actually understand the abilities of the character they so vigorously argue for 24/7.
I can wrap my head around this, Niky. Can you? Cause this was actually a haki feat, which again proves my point, if there was any more needed. How do you physically block an energy wave like entity, that's multiple times bigger than your body? Please enlighten me.
And if that just wasn't enough, we even got a zoomed out visual of that scene, where it shows how Hakai is temporarily blocked by a HAKI BARRIER. Oouuuf, do you need that child's manga as an audibook, so that you finally can comprehend what's actually happening there?
See above. It was cleary a haki feat. And probably a Enma substiuted barrier at it. Mindblowning isn't it?
And he's lucky that Kaido did not use advCoC against him lol, otherwise he would have just wrecked him. This scene is so circumstancial, it's not even funny. And you actually even try to put it against Kaido smh
I'm, saying that Emna haki is somewhat a pre stage to it. I even wanted to make a thread about it. As if this wouldn't be good news for Zorostans ??? Read answer below, there I wrap it up..
I already cleared up the first part of this paragraph, so..
What you don't get is that he has access to a certain amount of haki, via the gimmick of Enma, which I believe to be his CoC, that Enma is sucking out. If he would be able to control it freely, without said gimmick, he can do further empower it on Enma (haki becoming that flash like, densed version), while putting it on all of his three blades simultanously, therefore wielding excessive power on ever single sword, that synerge together into even more devastating attacks, while also giving him the ability to block other advCoC imbued attacks in continuously clashes.
And the bold is just pure delusionality.
1. What do you think is the stuff he pulls out with Enma though? And why do you think he's not sucked dry, like others who tried to wield it? Probably because he has an addtional CoC tank and therefore more haki, while via him being a CoC guy (= King's willpower) he's able to control Enma in the first place. But better not try to make sense out of his abilities, especially if you so vigorously argue for everything that's about him.
2. He did get pressed, even called him strong, just like he called Hawkins strawmonster "strong". Read the manga. I'm just stating what was SEEN and SAID there.
Yeah he beat them with his CoA infused named attacks, where he runs into them, with like the combined strength of three "arms/swords" put into one move. How does this has anything to do with physical strength? Swing for swing they could match him no problem = physical strength on the same level. I'm not arguing attack power. Learn to understand what's said instead of throwing tantrums about what you believe was said.
3. What do you even want to say with that? It refers to what???
One whole post and neither was anything substantial said or understood from what I said within mine. Props for being next level bad at this game
Oh man, how often do I need to tell you this?`How can CoC haki flow be empty hype? How in any world is that a possbility? And the scale is there. I guess base Luffy can just tango with advCoC hybrid Kaido? smh And I guess Roger can send Oden flying at high speed through half an island with just pure physical strength aswell, huh? Same Oden that had no problem matching Primebeard's physical strength...
I like how Zorofans don't actually understand the abilities of the character they so vigorously argue for 24/7.
I can wrap my head around this, Niky. Can you? Cause this was actually a haki feat, which again proves my point, if there was any more needed. How do you physically block an energy wave like entity, that's multiple times bigger than your body? Please enlighten me.
And if that just wasn't enough, we even got a zoomed out visual of that scene, where it shows how Hakai is temporarily blocked by a HAKI BARRIER. Oouuuf, do you need that child's manga as an audibook, so that you finally can comprehend what's actually happening there?
See above. It was cleary a haki feat. And probably a Enma substiuted barrier at it. Mindblowning isn't it?
And he's lucky that Kaido did not use advCoC against him lol, otherwise he would have just wrecked him. This scene is so circumstancial, it's not even funny. And you actually even try to put it against Kaido smh
I'm, saying that Emna haki is somewhat a pre stage to it. I even wanted to make a thread about it. As if this wouldn't be good news for Zorostans ??? Read answer below, there I wrap it up..
I already cleared up the first part of this paragraph, so..
What you don't get is that he has access to a certain amount of haki, via the gimmick of Enma, which I believe to be his CoC, that Enma is sucking out. If he would be able to control it freely, without said gimmick, he can do further empower it on Enma (haki becoming that flash like, densed version), while putting it on all of his three blades simultanously, therefore wielding excessive power on ever single sword, that synerge together into even more devastating attacks, while also giving him the ability to block other advCoC imbued attacks in continuously clashes.
And the bold is just pure delusionality.
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Just because a character got a especific feat, it doesn't mean another must get these same feats to be comparable, there are better ways of doing it.
Anyone but Zoro will be the one to leave a scar on Kaido, it's also something symbolic to parallel him with Oden, and it doesn't mean he is absolutely stronger than YC's already.
Do you think beating and completely knocking out a Commander strong as Queen and King is less impressive than using your absolutely strongest attack with a power up showcased as "The Oden's Sword that can hurt Kaido by sucking more Ryou than necessary" in a basicly 5vs1 battle and just leaving a little scar on Kaido, which didn't bring him down even for a bit?
I don't know how you guys are measuring things anymore, but this is just silly, its more about cheap wanking than actually trying to make a little bit of sense strengthwise.
Anyone but Zoro will be the one to leave a scar on Kaido, it's also something symbolic to parallel him with Oden, and it doesn't mean he is absolutely stronger than YC's already.
Do you think beating and completely knocking out a Commander strong as Queen and King is less impressive than using your absolutely strongest attack with a power up showcased as "The Oden's Sword that can hurt Kaido by sucking more Ryou than necessary" in a basicly 5vs1 battle and just leaving a little scar on Kaido, which didn't bring him down even for a bit?
I don't know how you guys are measuring things anymore, but this is just silly, its more about cheap wanking than actually trying to make a little bit of sense strengthwise.